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Sony have got loads of cashback offers on. I'm literally stood in a camera shop in London trying to exercise one of them right now!

Its very early days yet and I've got a ton of work to do on it but it is definitely showing promise. All the stuff is in there its just that being able to manipulate it in real time to see it makes a big difference imo

Patience, patience All will be revealed when its finished. The hardware module part of my system does the WiFi part and I can interface to that with USB, wireless (as in the controller from the video) and Bluetooth. As I said in the other thread, I'm collecting a few different controllers (in about an hour actually) and at least one of them will be suitable for what you want. Bear in mind as I said at the start of this thread that the reason that the cinelike d happened was as a byproduct of me researching to make a hardware controller. And specifically one for a gimbal so its all in hand

There already is a separate thread for it. It will be updated when I'm back from my trip next week. I'm picking up some different controllers in the meantime so there will be other options. The smooth focus pull is being tuned but don't expect miracles with those lenses. If you go over to the other thread there is an early demo of just lens control (focus and zoom) on an LX100. http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/25104-and-for-my-next-trick-aka-why-i-was-hacking-the-gx80-in-the-first-place/ And another thread regarding a side development for profile tuning but which also shows a different control surface example.

The versatility of the mount is writ large in this thread. Makes it all the more baffling why Panasonic didn't make it at least an option on their new camera.

If the camera says Under Remote Control on the screen and then you can see an image on the LCD then it is connected and under remote control. The Handshake is mainly for the newer cameras where it needs a security check so may be unnecessary on the G6 To check if its actually talking to the camera, select a profile other than standard on the camera (like B&W) and then hit Restore on the HTML page. All that does is tell it to select the Standard profile on the camera. If it does change it then the camera is definitely connected and responding to commands. If it then doesn't respond to the Cinelike D command then unfortunately that means the camera can't support it.

Hahaha See what I mean? The whole process got me so rattled that I started mixing up my internal arguments! I'll end up getting none of them at this rate.

Yes,form factor is worth the premium and this comes back to a point I made in another thread (which was ridiculed as the rant of someone who knows nothing about how cameras work IIRC) about how real modularity should be offered by manufacturers. The form factor of the GX80 is its appeal so why should that preclude it having an audio input as a an additional bolt on accessory if people want it or to pay a small fee to unlock cinelike d or the additional bit rates that we know it can do? Panasonic already have done both of those things before with mic input boxes that interface through the hotshoe and paid VLOG updates so why not across the board? Sony have gone the whole hog with an actual app store for unlocking additional functions as well as a couple of attempts at sensor in a box products so maybe it will come The paradigm is already there with computers and particularly smartphones so its not exactly like its an alien concept for consumers to buy a core product and pay to add on specific functionality that they need. It doesn't stop them then replacing the core product periodically either so it doesn't stifle future sales of that either. Using that old story about if you built a Ford yourself by buying all the parts as spares then it would cost more than buying a Rolls Royce then they would likely make more money as well. Anyway, I'm ranting again now !

Someone (from the forum maybe?) has made a video about how to implement cinelike d on a GX85 for anyone who needs to see it being done before they try it

I think I've decided on the Mk V. Figure if I get the Mk IV then I'm already in pain over paying north of £700 for something like this that I might as well roll over completely. I'll order spare batteries for it off Amazon now. That usually does the trick for pushing me over the edge! And, yes, I'll also be installing their app in readiness to see what we can do with it.

The Kingston Mobilelite does the same thing and might be more readily available in different countries http://www.kingston.com/en/wireless/wireless_readers/mlwg3

You can do it (slowly) off Panasonic's app if it can hold the connection long enough. Otherwise, Apple's "how much????" SD card reader is the way to go. If you are looking at doing stuff mobile then I'd recommend taking a look at something like this RavPower device though. Its a multi function unit that can act as a card reader, USB host, wireless router and battery bank. With a device like this you can connect an iPad, iPhone, MacBook etc simultaneously and share, copy and backup files from SD cards and USB hard drives between them. Even just for travelling for sticking a ton of films on a cheap sd card so you can watch films on your iOS device without having to clog up the phone's own limited and expensive memory with them makes it a great buy. And if you're travelling with a partner or kids or whatever you can all watch different ones simultaneously on your different devices. And also for travelling, if you find yourself in a hotel that only has an ethernet connection (getting rarer but still happens) then you can use this to create your own wifi hotspot. https://www.amazon.co.uk/RAVPower-Wireless-Portable-Companion-Streamer/dp/B00TI3WQJS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1497870978&sr=8-3&keywords=kingston+mobilelite

More of a vent than anything and I know Panasonic are just as bad but.... All I wanted was a little travel camera..... I thought to myself "I quite fancy an RX100 IV. Genuinely pocketable, vloggable, a bit of slo-mo (which I don't really have), slog2 so it can be pushed a bit more.....and I can have a play about to see if I can get my hardware controller to be Sony compatible too" Easy. And then I started the, "Mmmm....the mark V though, better IS, touch screen" "Yeah but its so much dearer" "We're into A6300 territory there" "But then if we're going there, why not go a bit further and get the A6500" "No lenses though" "Yes but we've got a few Canon ones and they can be mounted cheaply. And with AF too" "Stop it now, its getting really expensive and way out of what we wanted" "OK, RX100 IV then" "Mind you, the RX10 III does all of that and more and has a 600mm equivalent lens" "Yes but now we're back in A6500 price range" "OK, how about the RX10 II, its way cheaper and has NDs" "Great idea. Not pocketable though" "OK, RX100 IV then" "You'll regret not getting the V though" "Shut up, its too much to be paying for a tiny sensor as it is" I've been like this cat for about a week now.

I've been asked by Private Message regarding using the higher ISO's in recording. Ordinarily, the extended ISOs are for stills only but there is a way round it for G7 owners at least. On the GX80 it is always clamped at 6400 irrespective, so when you go into video mode it will always revert to this setting if you have an ISO set above that. On the G7 however, if I instigate the recording with my controller then I can then change it beyond 6400 and it will accept it. I have a trick with the hardware controller so that when you put it in record it re-sends the currently set ISO so if you have it on 12800 on the controller it will record a tiny fragment at 6400 but then switch to the 12800 If you want to try this manually you can by just putting your G7 in record at 6400 and sending the higher ISO command form a browser. My feeling is that this will probably work for other cameras too (except the GX80 where it definitely doesn't) so if you can test it and let people know that would be great. With regard to asking questions by Private Message - and please do not take this the wrong way as I'm really pleased this has sparked so much interest - but can I just ask that people put them in here instead, as to me this should very much be a community project so everyone will benefit from the shared information and there is a much broader range of model variants represented here that people can share the testing on as well. Ta

If you get one of these you can then use Sony NP batteries for both. It has a tripod thread, a bracket and a velcro strap so it has a few different mounting options. Cheapest way to do both I think https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01EFSUK98?psc=1 Its versatile enough to be used to power a B4 zoom if, like I was here, you are ever curious enough to put one on an MFT mount camera

I won't know for sure until I've seen the files but for what its worth this is my current stretch rating for this Still better chance than the bit rate stuff though It will just be settings rather than a hack (unless you have the GX80 where it will use the current one to get Cinelike on to it) Needs a lot more testing yet (some of which will have to be automated so there's more code to be written today to do that) so its a bit away from being revealed just yet.

Its got a composite out so any old usb capture device like this will do it. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro-Grabber-Editor-capture-Windows/dp/B001HB9C1O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1497815270&sr=8-2-spons&keywords=video+capture&psc=1

I reckon NASA have bought them all to fake another landing somewhere

I know I droned on about it regard the Sony A9 but its a classic example of what he's talking about. They just don't have the lenses for the task they're trying to push it at so it could do a gazillion frames a second at a trillion ISO and they're still going to get the reaction of "That's nice...now where is your 400 f2.8 then?". Same for Fuji as well, even though I enthuse about it. I mean, I am actually using them for pro sport work but only within certain limits and I've still got to be hawking a 400 f2.8 with a Nikon on the end of it around with me. Funny thing, actually, is that I was shooting what could be described as quite a big football match a couple of weeks ago (TV audience of 350 million people) and thought for sure that someone amongst us would have been shooting with the A9 as Sony would've handed a few out to get it into this particular game but there wasn't a single one. In fact, out of the 140ish of us covering it, the only one not exclusively Nikon or Canon for the game was me! A few people use mirrorless cameras for build up pictures and shots of the crowd and so on but not for the actual match because there just isn't the lenses. During the warm up session, I handed the X-T2 with the 50-140 f2.8 on it to one of my old mates who was shooting the game as well for him to have a go. "Fucking hell...this is actually a contender isn't it?" he said and then enthused for a few minutes about how fast it was and the image quality. And then...... "Where's the 400 f2.8?" Oh.

There are a couple of Fisher Price ones on there for 99 cents that would be more suitable than the RED was.

It is indeed. Its a bit unfair on the GX85 to be honest because, as I suspected might happen with this prodder, there are some presumptions we make over its settings that might not be doing it any favours if all we're doing is correcting them with the exact inverse settings in post. And from the tweaks I was making in FCPX, I think thats exactly the case here as I was putting things in that I'd taken out in the profile so I think it can be done better. Which obviously I'll be trying to do. Iphone to Alexa is easy. Just wait about five years ! Obviously once you have it with roughly the same signature as the RED Film it will follow this through when you add FilmConvert etc and pick the RED Film preset. EDIT -

Yes, I do have said camera (a RED Epic MX to be precise) so it was a completely flat test of the Film profile. Long story about why I've got one of these but as soon as it became apparent it was useless for stills extraction they were pushing it for I did a sub-lease deal for it with a mate of mine and I've only just recently been reunited with it. I shot one event with it (mind you it was the Tour de France so it counts as 27 events I suppose) but after three or four stages it ended up being used the most expensive wide angle remote stills camera in the world as it was just way too cumbersome to use. OK for fashion I suppose but useless for sports.

So I've been playing with my new prodding device and.... Its interesting. What I did was record a clip of a colour chart from lets call it a well known brand of camera that is named after a primary colour and then put the same lens that was on that camera on to a GX85 and shot it again. Both clips were recorded onto a Ninja Inferno. What I was doing though was monitoring the recorded clip of the posh camera on the Ninja Inferno with the scope overlay on and then switching to the input to look at the GX85 and using the prodder to manipulate the parameters live and try and replicate the signature of the recording of the posh camera. I then tweaked a few things in FCPX to match a bit closer with the purpose of then taking those changes back to put them in the profile of the GX85 to match it better straight out of the camera. One of these images is the film log setting from the posh camera and the other one is the GX85. There are definitely challenges regarding noise with doing this on the cheaper camera so its obvious which is which but I've got some ideas about that. Tweaking the values and getting instant feedback was very productive and I think this may be the start of an interesting journey.

Cheers. If you see someone wandering around Saturn or MediMarkt next week with wires coming out of his sleeve seemingly idly demoing Panasonic and Sony cameras make sure you come and say hi

And just to stress that the purpose of this particular prodder is to help develop colour profiles rather than being an end thing in itself, in case you thought I was advocating twiddling around like Kraftwerk while you're recording video. Though having said that, I think that there is a place for a similar type of control surface (one with faders as well as pots and a few switches) to operate the cameras in terms of the rest of its functionality like shutter, iris and focus. In that way, the colour profile function could just be switched into a second layer and be permanently available. Should also mention that you will be able to save a lot more than the one custom profile that Panasonic offers you with this system so once you have all of these parameters as you like them then you can save the whole snapshot for instant recall via buttons on the controller. If this gets any traction you'll also be able to easily share them with each other too to load on to your own cameras.