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I understand this thread as opportunity for (the most serious and well minded) message to Panasonic. Blog post summarized it all. What I can add as small holistic addition is suggestion that it is the last chance for Panasonic (or it will be done by somebody else) to collect all very important and still distinctive virtues of m43 system and finally offer them in one camera. I mean, don't behave as not too smart little calculating coward - because moment of camera evolution doesn't allow to be as such. Barrier of price has been already broke through - I think that even 3000e starting price for m43 movie making machine is pretty competitive with added qualities mentioned in blog post. At the end of a day, this clearly is territory for professionals who make money with camera, or for high end enthusiasts (finding field of deeper self-actualisation in camera usage) seeking for best artistic instrument. Being now pretty serious involved in sort of art creation, my experience with both m43 and FF system told me that - at least in that field of interest - they are clearly not competitive, but different in some very important areas. For just one example: contrary, as it seems, to most public, I found that possibility to get deeper DOF with better light gathering (even more taking into account modern sensor sensitiveness) is crucial for my way of thinking. For making truly rich art experience, shallow DOF has to be used extremely sparingly, or even not at all. There is far more demanded mastery, and respective distinctive achievement, in capability to arrange scene with meaningful and seriously thought out content in background, than cheaply and lazy blurred it. Potential in transferring complex and deeper message in just one shot is at the side of deeper DOF, but demands more talented mind and much more crafting mastery. Being so close to the perfectly capable camera regarding compactness, reliability, ergonomic, RAW as best codec, ND, maybe or not IBIS, with best possible 4k delivery quality as indeed far away future proof, etc mentioned in blog post - price gap of say 500e is not so important. Nor the race between m43 and FF who understand their distinctive virtues. Chance to sooner bring to table the most rounded instrument is still on the m43 side with its lens ecosystem, including affordable cheap truly cine zoom solutions such as, at the moment, say DZO film's. Even with fast gradually catching up, of course including bonus crop choice, FF system is not even close to offer comparatively affordable and compact cine zoom lens.

Nice and sort of pleasure to be distinctively brave. It could be that Panasonic tries to sell last part of residual GH5 components. It could be logical that expected GH6 specs will be bring up in a different body as a Komodo competitor, also as added supported factor for pretty higher price. Now they have experience with BG1, or what is proper name. If it is the case, mysterious teasing has to be expected at not so distant future, sort of EVA1 prehistory or GH5s announcing. Briefly going throw recent posts, I noticed (but maybe I'm wrong) that there's no participating activity from that nice guy that promote GH5s with short movie - so hope that maybe he is at DNA task testing something knew, because he was serious, successful and loyal promoter previously. Although if I remember he also mentioned better prospects of devotion to music making. I yet think that at least one camera maker sooner or later will certainly gather all virtues of M43 mature knowledge together from all sides, as also profitably utilize all that great lenses. Who it will be - it is uncertain. For indie movie making, M43 will for some time more rest comparatively superior effective as the fast submarine under sluggish aircraft carriers. Market of course chase for profit though with bigger-numbers universal mantra for masses.

Hi @Kisaha, sorry for delayed visiting to forum... No, I'm from Serbia, but as you might know, Serbia&Montenegro are actually the exact same people historically/politically being together or divided (as now) to two countries. (Being passionate and trained swimmer at summer and winter without difference) I spend there as much time as I can. If you don't mean actual covid-circumstances, apart of it - it is of course absolutely safe country, especially beautiful at here filmed part of its coast (places of Boka bay) famous as very unique and one the most beautiful and deepest bay in the world. About movie - I've made preparation and started with few shots of one indie-movie last autumn in Russia, but Corona stopped plan of devoted whole spring/summer 2020 to it. So I gathered little crew during late summer - so, 2-3 months ago - in Montenegro and also started with several shots with them, with idea to proceed this winter/spring. Several of chosen locations are here briefly presented. Actually, whole idea for movie in Russia also started with meetings in Montenegro coast. (And just for the case of little bit of clearing of my background and circumstances - actually and basically I'm writer/novelist with some of 15-20 novels published as Collected works and also with several written Ph. D. dissertation in Philosophy, Psychology and History of Arts topics, all parts of mine education... and struggling to earn money during lifetime always as freelancer. But started from several years ago I'm more and more devoted also to building personal narrative film making area, and because of my background I supposed easier to managed other people to participate in some enjoyable projects. So, in that line, it turned out that at the moment some pretty profiled and educated people - musical and dance artists, painters etc - from Russia are the most open minded and willing to reunite resources and skills to make something new and, I hope, aesthetically pleasing experience.)

While shooting an semi long feature film latest days of this summer, I took a breath and one day climbed around and casually recorded some used locations with lovely Pocket 4k. Maybe it would not be too boring, so just little bit оf reminding of of the beauty of not so distant nature, so happy living out of our - so often desperately and absurdly busy - human world...

Sorry, being busy for a while... but luckily mr nickname answered/suggested better than I could. I use also Hoya IRcut with Hoya ND without any issue, but I don't use polarizing filter. Rocolax has the same quality, just cheaper, friend of mine bought for me in UK. I had OLPF filter with first Pocket just because I bought it with already installed one - extremely helped with moire problem that luckily doesn't exists with P4K.

For me, problem is Panasonic's sincere will to allow development to full potential of m43 system, in comparison to what they see as a better profit future of FF, which I really don't see, but of course I am nobody in that regard (as also in many other). IMO, if such will really exists, there's no excuse of non existing sensor, even nor for too special developing effort: they could make full usage of Pocket 4k or GH5s (E2) sensor with all their great contemporary know-how that they have at disposal: IBIS surely even better than S1H, newest and better CAF (less demanding calculation and heating polution), brilliant screen, maybe even doubling processors as Olympus EM1X for HDR calculation, some sort of internal RAW - possibilities are endless. DR of Pocket 4k is enough even for theatrical projection, battery of S1H can last literally whole day long. But such flagship will probably stopped many of us to think about any other camera next several years, and, much more important, to buy any new lens. I have feeling that Panasonic lost its way in somewhat too complicate and retro founded profit calculation - IMO it is better and more appropriate for today's circumstances to make brief impact and comparative hit-camera, to shake market and take money of the majority of seriously hesitant customers of the oversaturated market, than to relay of uncertain long prospect projections and compare with other big Japanese manufacturers (and theirs not so clever decisions). Of course, as all of us m43 enthusiasts here, I'm writing this with hope that somebody from Panasonic really reads this thread 🙂

I'm afraid that this thread actually approves something that Panasonic management is highly afraid of (although loudly claiming the opposite) - that hypothetical GH6 and S line indeed severely overlapped in most critical user/buyers base that is left to Panasonic as slightly comparative advantage. Most of us who'd buy an great-specs-provided GH6 will never look at unnecessarily expensive S(H) line for next 3 years... and actually we are the main targeted group of potential buyers whom Panasonic stuff mostly tries to allure to FF line. Unfortunately, from indefinite phrases as "we will consider", "we will see or still evaluate" etc. it seems to me that development of GH6 is not at all in progress, as also that they'd rather connect eventual/suspectful dying future of m43 to some low level type of camera for lighter consumer usage. Needless to say that I disagree with such decision even from economic side. And same as previous posters already noted their favorite alternative choices, without GH6 in plan I feel BM as main provider for my personal needs. Till now it is clear that FF line is total selling fiasco in Europe and not too better elsewhere. I simply can't understand why Panasonic don't choose rather to make and sell tones of swan song model of GH6, catch proper moment to attracts all Pocket 4k and/or Olympus users and keep enormous base of loyal GH5 users....

In my eyes, we already had thread that commented stupid PB's reaction about (for me) mr Reid's extremely witty cat joke 🙂 But suddenly there pop upped not just mention, but full swinging prosecution of PB love affair cases with two ex-girlfriend and (just lately, by addition of another user) his pretty reasonable answer with new opened (further love-behavior) questions that stayed without answer . Also, there I learned that there was also deeper background history of friendship between two misters, that PB avoided encounters with mr Reid (so his stupid cat-protector twitter attack could be actually based on clearing some previous accounts), now that mr David has also its own earlier objections on PB behavior etc... which in my eyes moves all topic beyond the reach of the ability to judge objectively to us who are not familiar with before-history, and feel little bit pressure to agree under the, say, rather intrusive call to God and a blind belief in all women... Please, allow that someone else also has some education as well in all this treated matter...

But why everything must be so black and white? We all know that almost any breaking of a love affair between two sensible people with great expectation of relationship has outcomes in emotional turmoil and somewhat altered consciousness... Is it so rare turn from supreme love into supreme disappointment and various forms of expression of resentment? I don't know anything about mentioned PB - if maybe he had some more accusations or approved misconduct or even delict? - but judging just by this one, here treated case, psychologically there are so many possible and qualified interpretations (especially today) out of such easy-to-call labels as "some kind of psychopath liars", familly-pattern-abuser" or so. Maybe PB is potential killer, emotional sadist or love-relationship control freak, or maybe he has especial combination of charm, reputation and charisma to make his girlfriends feel an extreme loss after the breakup of love... but all in all, IMHO such obsession with him with dedicated threads and mr David's strange need (and pompous too; Speaking Engagement Tour!) to proceed right here as platform what obviously has very hard personal and mutual background - I feel as little bit interestingly "abusive" per se. But of course, it doesn't hurt, and could result in some nice knowledge!

I noticed what I found a totally inappropriate burst of obvious hardcore zealotism, that, sorry to say, looks pretty comic as reminiscence of Girolamo Savonarola... "PLEASE, for the love of God, really - everyone, believe all women." ... following with what mr David called "the 11 most common verbal abuse patterns to look out for in a relationship" - which, TBH, could include every single person of earth, being male or female who ever had quarrel with partner... well, maybe excluding mr David and few other of the sinless souls 🙂 But I actually so much like EOSHD because of similar salad of thoughts and someone's projected digressions 🙂 As this one obviously - where mr David lost compass where he is.

IMO I bag you pardon, maybe it would be better to involve some more time to really investigate where all of this one and thousands similar cases are proved to be pure sad true? If you have a will, I can provide it to you, but not here to further contaminate thread already polluted with superficial news level. I think, It's surely not at all about someone's favorite side (dirty and immoral ones are everywhere the same) - which you introduced with something that has to be a provocative joke and default fact - but about favorite and really independent state of mind. And of course, my big apologize to you and all others - it is always my dilemma weather to answer to something I feel as superficial provocations that sometimes arise at inappropriate place. Maybe just only to remind all of us (with me as so sadly often first-place-candidate!) and add suggestion at called-out level of picture-to-picture answer

https://lists.bcn.mythic-beasts.com/pipermail/bitlist/2008-October/000400.html

(Actually, to be precise in digression, Shastri has been killed by CIA - at least such was later confirmed by CIA's assistant director for clandestine operations.)

If such rise of comparison really is fitted, IMO far better (and far more clear) example would be destiny of Julian Assange - we have in UK/London today a dying man at Her Majesty Prison being guilty for disclosing and documenting reckless bloody state of USA driven Western civilization global behavior living on (the same R5's) premise Nobody will notice. Who cares.

TBH and with best wishes to mr Reid's efforts that already achieved their honest goal without supporters - that bald guy looks to me as just another package of obscurity. As also his (more sympathetic naive) psychologically typical advisory/conspiracy space arrangement of deep knowledge cave. IMO someone stole his dreamy ideal - so let's to be a little part of it. It looks as counter-twin brother of that another advisory guy with presenting room where forever stays Christmas Eve...