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Imo Sigma in example renders better skin tones and overall finer color gradation - but shows terrible flat perspective (all rear area looks as at the same plane).

Comparing original Jon's images from clip and Panny's grading ones - for my eyes later look like overall moved to a little bit unnatural redish spectre. Jon's sample looks to me very similar to Leica R rendering color approach.

Yes, Voigtlanders have signature very simmilar (well, sort of) Zeiss Master Prime lenses. From the other side, Leica's have more than base relationship with rendition of Panavision G Series lenses. It is, I think, matter of taste and atmosphere that makes a difference about what someone looks for. To get a best highend example of Voigts/Zeiss side of spectre, look, say, Danish Girl rendition. Contrary, for Leica/Panavision preferences, look, say, The Light Between Ocean. Both spectacular. I've say - Zeisses more sincere to pure nature, Leicas more artistically pleasant. My humble advice regarding m43: keep Voigtlanders, despite strange (or amusing) shifting behavior/imperfection, nothing still beat them for m43 use and narative filming intention.

Why so? Your last set of images look gorgeous by any standard. What's impressed me the most is that they were made with uncorrected HLG profile - it seems that any lut combination just worsen original. Gaining point of Sigma Art lenses is their first impression - so clean, so naturally polish, so subtle organic imitation of natural colors. They are girls that call to be followed in park and to the highend hotel beach. But some silly guys will always prefer touch of wildness and fire in eye - as a future proof for possible spontaneous adventures. Believe me, you surely won't to exchange with mine arround-circumstances regards... well... policy. BTW I have m43 Voigts, and speedboosted Zeiss Contax and Leica R lenses. Rendition of Voigts and Zeisses are similar and easy to match. Leica R has its own (addictive, especially for filming) color world that could be finely mimic with today's powerful grading tools, but never achieved quite the same. Voigtlanders are the cleanest.

Wow, what a nice framing at No1! This. Searching for effect of ultimate possible "sharpness" at wide open, Sigma lens constructors leveled image with string of correcting operations - some sort of subtle plastic surgery.

Two days ago, in other topic I've already said that clue is the title. But now I suspect that - regarding his profound insiders insights/informations, eastern spiritual/teleportation relationship and searching for tight connection with best anamorphic lens - creature/being in robotic scafander is Jon himself.

It sounds too good to be true... obviously GH5s for 2000$. Or Panasonic finally makes crucial advertising step over all other brands and engages you, Jon!?

Thank you DBounce for advice and will to test/share experience with Atlas lenses - but weren't we all started by being fooling around (but keeping some money in pocket) Previous discussion, of course, is not just about the best anamorphics. I just had and have SLR Magic Hyperprimes and Voigtlanders, also and Leica R - don't know anything about anamorphic offer. I think that Neumann has a short film anounced here done with GH5 and SLR Magics. (BTW m43 Voigtlanders are Leica R quality - or, better, vice versa.)

About big announcing.. It seems that Neumann's already have touch with it, and already gave a clue. I'd not exclude possibility that even given name of their project has some connection with mysterious Big - it it some sort of the Middle Path, witch on second instance is further clarified - something ***** **** that is used to make A Short. So, it has to be a camera. @Jon Interestingly, I could quote SLR Magic Anamorphot cine line at quite contrary direction - we can see what is the newest arround-NewYear prize for their (SLRMagic's) 10mm and 25mm Hyperprimes at BHphoto: 40% less than "normal" - so they have a markup margin probably near 60%, maybe even near 70% of initial asking prize. Apply this simply calculation on new Anamorphot line - for the next Christmas it may be 8-9000$. So, I've don't bet that production cost of anamorphic lenses is THAT high: fact is that till now its market was reserved for studio works and rare demands put production on handmade level. But Panasonic change the panorama of potential users dramatically.

Well, than PanLeica 42.5 + Rectilux = Anna1(stepsister of Eva1)Leicamorph 2000 $ Voila!

Yes, but if it even more bettered selling of their topline m43 cameras - fulfilling most demanded dreams of indie filmmakers - wouldn't be that step not so out of logic from commercial/branding point of view? I don't know, but isn't it also obvious that markup margin for Panasonic is greatly higher than for small company lens makers? So, if Panaleica 42.5 has production cost of, say, 500 $, maybe some similar anamorphic lens wouldn't be more than 1000$? Or I'm too naive...

Because if Panasonic polish every single camera aspect as shooting tool, and polish them all at once - there will be no room for others. Fact that brands that we are discussing are almost exclusively Japanese is not insignificant. But it seems to me that Panasonic still is grandmaster between all polisher. Finally, if Panasonic suddenly make every single wish perfected, there will be no reason more for us to meet each other at eoshd - which, I'd say, will inevitable turn mother nature furiously against camera makers.

Oh, I'll be impressed only if Jon secretly, and without any announce in advance, adopt some of your vampire content inclination, and as result, in next test shot, we suddenly see Vietnamese beauties in the same zombie state (and, of course, by night - I really don't remember any Jon's night shot). And me personally will be full of delight if this content deliberation would be made with assistance of Atlas anamorphic lenses. THAT will be wow positive influence - or, so to say, vampiresque blood mutation - of this marvelous site! (And if Mercer post the same attempt with row sound of his canon... but about that dream I must only make a whispering... he is sometimes so serious - but, seriously, I'd also like if GH5 has resulting image of canon ML raw seductiveness. BTW I'm origine of Hopy Indians - and, Panny, as you know, our time is not as other's - so probably and mine so-called smartness in some reverence mind. But one day I'll certainly shot movie about that deep reflective topic, and being - as you are shure - so deeply impressed with your last polaroid thanks so sincerely and frankly adressed to me - I think I'll choose some other color style.

@PannySVHS You are welcome, pleasure is mine. Your vampire shorts are on a trait for lovely-freely homo-ludens and schizo fireworks - so please, keep going on. Of course it was compliment. In your last sample, colors are not at all - at least for me - great, balanced, accurate, neither thought-out or minimalistic: for me at least they are, simply, retro trash and tend to follow short's bizare atmosphere of psychodelia. But eoshd looks sometimes to me as really funny place of an especial sort of sanatorium: for curing ours childish wish to act as big conneseurs, competent and important judges, and participant in game You-Milk-Me-I-Milk-You as aspiring cameraman role. Saying that, once more I vote for Jon's buying Atlas lens(as) and for Mercer's (Glen?) buying another hundred of lenses (for planting them around his countryside so becoming mythical place of great obsession). Lets our West-East moderator guru bravely steps in front of bankrupcy and be feeded in hungriness by his Vietnamese Dulcineas! Why? Because from West side one so-so wise man, S. J, said as ultimative advice: Stay hungry, stay foolish. And from East side, one wise man, A.T, said: Let someone shout that pyramids should be built! Even if we do not build them, it is important to nourish the great dream! You see how boring and funny-in-fiasco-attempt pathetic I am? So please, laugh at me... and shoot more polaroid extravaganza pretending to expect appraisal as they are great color achievements!

Well, I don't think so... and I dare to say my fellow muppets also!

Unfortunately, I do not at all have a taste... For hopeless cases as mine, even Arri couldn't do anything!

For me, just if the goal was to mimic polaroid science.

I'm dying just because Mercer couldn't shoot the same scene focusing on mr Pinky Cheek with his Canon 5m mk3 and show us in raw comparative result. Besides that dying, both looks looks nice to me, both between-exchangeable with little grading/sharping effort.

Maybe if someone find a time for some opinion about SLRM 10mm, even better vs Voigtlander 10.5mm...

Well, it is so reputable solution... happily, there are some brave and silly hazardous men that go behind the legendary dreamy eastern boundaries, searching for holy lens Grail of whom nobody yet know if it really exist... only rumors are whispering some mythical name, like Veydra or Atlas... but at least one is certain: its mesmerizing image grow bigger and bigger in a dream of brave men...

Please, don't listen Mercer, Jon! He is just one reputable clever and prudent voice of Canon EOS3 sapience - i.e. voice of that entity from which you already escaped I humbly vote for your acquisition - as soon as possible - of Atlas bazookas and panoramic-wide view of Far East beauties of every age. Seriously - because your joy in testing lenses is so contagiously and refreshingly rejuvenating!

Wow, at one moment it sounds to me as an love letter to a faithful dear (lenses) from an experienced, grown masculine mind! I'd try also and add: they called to be tenderly cradled as serene babies - these zoom sigmatwins - to whom they so much look like by size/weight and unobstructive, unscreaming-lowdly serenity.

Just impressionistic remark: dedication to polishing products and willingness to go further in democratizing art/hobby of movie making is - as it seems to me - higher by high margin in Panasonic than anyone else in respective field. Combining with extremely solidness of Panasonic cameras, it made impression of reliability and psychologically call to participate in pursuing this very clever thought game of step-by-step doze searching for ideal instrument. Sometimes, prosumer sector of Panasonic produce to me impression as Blackmagic on steroids. Which is nice. They will find a way to make and to offer reliable autofocusing - after precise calculation of market urgency for that. (I think that even now engineers in Panasonic have prediction of additional moves for several years further.)

@kidzrevil I've posted the same question in other topic, so sorry: which density versions of Black Mist and Satin filters you recomend?