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I dunno man, those ISO 6400 shots at the end are pretty unbelievable. I think at the end of the day, this camera, and most likely other BM cameras are made for the editor not necessarily the camera op. It's all about how you deal with the footage in post. That video was shot uncompressed RAW, so the look you're unimpressed by was created entirely by the colourist and editor. Also, you can download the clip off the vimeo link:

Isn't that basically what DJIs drones do now? They're pretty fun.

I think he meant shooting 120fps is also 4x crop. But yes, all 1080 raw options will be 4x as well as 120fps Prores options.

Only in 1080 raw. 1080 Prores is full sensor 'When you add the cost of the peripherals most likely required... extra batteries, a couplechargers (canon batteries take 2 hours to charge) or an external battery solution, memorycards, lenses, possibly a speedbooster, NDfilters, IR cut filters, a follow focus, a cage, etc... you are looking at well over $3000' @mercer Most of that is highly subjective too. Batteries are cheap and often come with chargers. I can get 4 for less than €50. Memory cards, yes I'll give you that. Lenses, that applies to every camera talked about on here. Speedbooster, I think most of us have one, or have native lenses, but granted, could be something to factor in. Then the rest depends on your style of shooting. For example, I don't plan on getting any kind of cage. Then the ISO point, it's not 400 or 3200. My understanding is anything between that range will be a pretty clean image, and judging from what I've seen, even a little higher is a very nice picture. Anyway, the whole thing basically depends on what you have already and how you shoot with your gear... Same as every other camera on the market. Edit: yes the files will be big, but if you really want you can convert them to h264 for archiving or whatever. But you can't cut a short peice of string longer.

I've been using that kind of math too, but BM have said that you can record 4k60p RAW through the USB-C providing your drive is fast enough. They do not. They have an iPad app to control the camera settings and start stop recording, but no viewfinder. They've made all the necessary info available to developers so they can create their own, third party apps, but it's my understanding the the live view thing isn't possible via Bluetooth.

It means you can only record to one device at a time. No usbc and sd No sd and cfast No cfast and usbc Etc. Etc.

That's true. But then what's stopping them from already offering raw? Is it just the write speeds of their chosen media, with usbc bypassing that bottleneck? Or is it that they simply don't want to offer raw? I'm already planning on using my Zucato evf for a few types of shoots, and thought of mounting the t5 onto that. But I really wouldn't want to be jiggling the USB very much at all. Especially since people here have already warned against the stability of a usbc port. When I do use the Zucato, it rarely stays in the same place relative to the camera for the whole shoot.

@BTM_Pix could combine his cheap screen and a raspberry pie case and create exactly that. You'd still need 2 cables though as the USB doesn't give a video signal. Good shout @Andrew Reid , wouldn't the camera manufacture have to create their own raw format? Or adopt Prores raw? The USB drive essentially copies the file being created in the camera in real time right? Also, but I don't think atomos will be too happy about it. haha

So don't bring it up. Weird how in that sample pic, the USB is going the wrong way to the port. I'd definitely make it go the shortest route and tie up any slack.

If that had a changeable lens, I'd definitely go for it. That's basically the perfect run n gun cam.

2x crop of the sensor, which is already 2x crop of full frame (give or take) so 120fps is 4x crop compared to ff. And yeah, epoxy a little shoe into one side of the drive. A dedicated, pre-made mount by any company will cost more than it needs to that's for sure. I think the shoe mount idea will look a little slicker too, and be just as secure. You could even mount it to the bottom of the cam for handheld shots.

I think I'm going to use velcro, or bring back that epoxy idea and stick on a shoe mount. As for rolling shutter, the mountain bike video will give you a good idea of how much it effects the footage... It's not noticeable to me at all.

Is that a jab at BMD? Announcing it exactly 6 months ahead of release? Unfortunetely, I was thinking of waiting to see what this camera is all about, but having heldback on upgrading for a few months already, I can't afford another 6 months. By then, someone else will announce their next camera and the waiting game will start again. Reminds me of 'Oh The Places You'll Go'. You can get so confused that you'll start in to race down long wiggled roads at a break-necking pace and grind on for miles cross weirdish wild space, headed, I fear, toward a most useless place. The Waiting Place... ...for people just waiting. Waiting for a train to go or a bus to come, or a plane to go or the mail to come, or the rain to go or the phone to ring, or the snow to snow or the waiting around for a Yes or No or waiting for their hair to grow. Everyone is just waiting. Waiting for the fish to bite or waiting for the wind to fly a kite or waiting around for Friday night or waiting, perhaps, for their Uncle Jake or a pot to boil, or a Better Break or a string of pearls, or a pair of pants or a wig with curls, or Another Chance. Everyone is just waiting. NO! That's not for you! Somehow you'll escape all that waiting and staying You'll find the bright places where Boom Bands are playing.

Perhaps its a silly question, but if you're set to shoot in RAW in camera, what kind of signal do you expect to be coming out the hdmi? if you then went into the Ninja V, could you have a prores Raw file? or does it not work like that? I know HDMI out is limited to 1080, but could be interesting for some kind of raw proxy work flow. I don't need it, but thought it might be an interesting concept.

We're now coming close to half way through the month and BMD are still saying they're aiming for September release. They've also said they have an announcement about the camera at IBC, which starts this Friday. My money is that they'll be shipping next week, but it's a total guess. The fact that the unboxing a few pages back is supposedly from the first retail batch of cameras in China also hints that camera stores have received their shipments and are waiting for the green light to stack the shelves and delivery vans. Hopefully those camera stores are in most countries around the world as BMD have also stated that they're planning the same global release day. Fingers crossed I'm right.

Agreed! What kind of epoxy should we use to mount the t5 to the camera?

Please close this thread for another 24 hours or so and delete this whole discussion, or at the very least move it to its own thread. We're going round and round, getting more and more personal and it'll never end.

My main work is based around film festivals and it always frustrates me when a movie shows somewhere and then I can't see it anywhere for months or even years, and it's in my industry. No hope for your average movie lover. 'Girl' is a Belgian movie, most likely their Oscar contender. I met and interviewed the director and lead actor in Cannes, but probably won't be able to see the film until at least February 2019, almost a year later. Same story with 'In The Fade'. Premiered in Berlin, I was there, spoke to Diane Kruger about it, but couldn't see it until it was released for home viewing over a year later. Partly my fault as I don't have time for the screenings at the festivals, but still, infuriating. You're right, I forgot Blakkklansman was in the competition, my bad - I did say 'If memory serves' ?. Lars wasn't in the competition though, and his movie still got more attention than the films that were, which says something. FYI, Star Wars also played this year and 'Gilliam's 'Who Killed Don Quixote'. In my opinion, Cannes is becoming less relevant for those kinds of films, and placed like Toronto, which doesn't have a competition, are getting bigger and bigger. Maybe it's about the timing, and studios release this time of year to kick off the awards run, making Cannes just too early for them? Maybe it's behind the scenes politics?

Agreed. Should we all move forward?

Looking further, Cuaron, Inarritu and Del Toro formed a production company together and are often referred to as the Three Amigos. Cuaron recently won the Golden Lion, which was awarded to him by a jury headed up by Del Toro. I'm not saying anything fishy is going on, and his movie 'Roma' is getting some of the best reviews I've seen in a while, but it is an interesting point.

@Tiago Rosa-Rosso Thanks for the intelligent, conversation inducing response. Yes perhaps they are Hollywood directors - but when someone says Hollywood to me, I wouldn't think of 'Birdman' or 'Shape of Water'. Maybe I meant they're not Hollywood because they're making original movies while everyone else is on a remake trip. If you watch the trailer for 'Roma', it certainly doesn't scream Hollywood. Then again, I'm probably wrong there too looking at other recent winners. Another thing with Cannes is a lot of movies go there to find a distributer. If you make a film that's on Netflix, you already have a distributer, so the festival only serves as publicity. The shame is though, there wasn't all that many exciting movies in Cannes this year, which may or may not be a result. If memory serves, there wasn't a single English language film in the competition. Not to say foreign language movies aren't exciting, but it does seem worth mentioning. Also, I think there's some issue with Sony at Cannes too, and no Sony Pictures are shown at the festival at all - I don't know why though. Jacques Audiard, who won the Palm D'or in Cannes a few years ago, has also said he has no interest in playing his films in Cannes anymore, at least in the competition. If one of France's biggest directors, and a pervious award winner isn't interested in the festival, I think that says something about the future of it. He's also uninterested in any type of film competition, so it's not just Cannes that he's opposing. I think it would be amazing for a Netflix movie to be nominated let alone win the golden man if for no other reason than to shake things up a little. I don't think they're any different from say Universal, they just don't distribute the finished cut in the same way. Are the Academy judging the movie or the screen they watch it on?

Alfonso Cuaron just won the Golden Lion at Venice Film Festival. Previous winners of this award and others in Venice have gone on to take home the Oscar in their category. Should this movie go on to win the Academy Award, it'll be the very first film made for streaming to do so, kicking off a new chapter in movie making. It's also a bit of an F YOU to Cannes - who banned Netflix movies this year - possibly marking the change in the roll of Film Festivals too. Exciting times. On a side note, 4 of the last 5 Best Director Oscars have been Mexican. Cuaron, Inarritu x2 and Del Toro. Is Hollywood snubbing Hollywood directors?

Totally, didn't mean to offend. I was just surprised by what appears to be a knee jerk reaction. What I mean is, if I'm looking for reviews and see you or Bloom didn't review it, I'd just find someone who has, not look into the reasons why, or try to find out if you were planning a review soon. Anyway, I'll stop digging this hole. No offense or harm meant at all.

If people don't buy this camera just because Andrew canceled his order and don't review it - then I'll be shocked. There will be thousands of reviews the day it's released. They may or may not be as honest and thorough as Mr. Reid's, but they will give a good enough picture of the product. I guarantee Philip Bloom will do a 45 minute or more video before the year is out. If I want to buy something that's worth reading a review about, I don't really care who DIDN'T review it.

I doubt it was a personal thing. Who knows who else was on the guest list, and how many deserving people were left off? BMD don't know you live half an hour away, and also won't notice the loss of one sale as a result of your cancelation.