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Documentary / event / general run 'n gun shooters of a certain style, it has uses for them. The Hate5Six guy, it's almost a signature thing of his imo. Though his style is still evolving and not the same for every subject. Also not that he uses Fuji...

I've used the XH1 and now own an XT4. The XT4 is definitely just... better when it comes to IBIS. I found the XH1 to be sickeningly bad for the way I shoot, I had to get rid of it asap. Those little quantised jumps in sensor movement were destroying shot after shot. The XT4 has similar but more well-controlled issues I suppose. It's not up there with Panasonic IBIS though (not like GH5 anyway). You're right about the planes of movement thing, this is the key with Fuji IBIS I guess. It just can't handle any sort of movement in more than one plane at a time. Tilt while panning? You'll get tiny jerks and catch-up movements in the stabilisation. Likewise strafing or raising the position of the whole camera in space while panning or tilting. You have to be very deliberate with the XT4 handheld movements. I never use the DIS digital stab. The IS Boost seems to be okay, to be honest I can't tell the difference in what that's doing half the time. It's performance may have been altered a bit in one of the firmware updates and I'm just confused about its efficacy now at this point. Something about the XT4 footage stabilises pretty nicely in post, thankfully. Maybe the good performance for rolling shutter is important there. Stick (in DaVinci Resolve anyway) to the straightforward 'translation' type stabilisation and you can avoid the dreaded "warpy shit". So if you're happy enough to polish your footage after that way, you'll get perfectly great results with the XT4 IBIS, yes. Especially with a heavier setup, I guess. The codecs are really great. I'm delighted with how well they hold up in terms of noise and dynamic range. They playback/edit fairly well for h265 and all too on my laptop.

Just catching up on what is probably already old news on this now. The firmware update "fixing" overheating is exactly the sham I was saying I was wary of. Get a few youtubers with a big neon "Overheating Fixed????" in their video thumbnail and there's just enough misinformation then to keep people buying the product. After those initial first wave of remorseful people who got the thing already, of course. Quick firmware updates that don't really change anything (Fuji XT4 IBIS anyone? IS Boost suddenly does worse than nothing? NOT fixed) and nobody's sure what to believe anymore. "Oh but I heard they fixed it?" Hope it gets hacked to bits like the GH2 and people who have bought it get a workhorse to grow into for the next 10 years instead of buying another canon body.

Yeah I wonder how much of that extra steadiness in the S1H was actually due to weight! It absolutely looks better than the S5 though. Curious how the GH5 (and newer XT4 fw's) stack up but I guess I can search some videos on that.

It's probably already "off" in VLog. That'd be the very reason is greyed out

Sorry, I forgot to explicitly say I don't mean anything to do with lens OIS whatsoever. Just IBIS - just in-body. And I don't buy into the rated X.X Stops specs stuff since that just doesn't tell much of a tale at all for video, as I discovered with my XT4, it certainly has a bunch of "Stops of stabilisation", but their quantised and robotic way of moving the sensor ruins many of my video shots. So I'm still sort of wondering - is the S5 better than the S1/H in this regard and were those any better than the GH5?

When people compare the IBIS in this to the S1/S1h, how does that compare again to the GH5? Were the S1 models a little worse at IBIS? I know people tend to say it's just never as easy with larger sensors. Is the IBIS in this up to par? Since it sounds like the AF may actually compete with Fujis disappointing XT4 autofocus, I'm really wondering if I should regret having switched from Panasonic now. (I was a GH5 guy). The XT4 is great but the failed IBIS and overheating/limits feel a bit more of a bummer to me now compared to a similar tier FF Panasonic camera.

I think I did see in Metabones compatibility lists that certain zoom (non OIS) lenses from CANON do allow you keep the Xt4 IBIS active. From what I could tell though they seemed to be saying no dice when it comes to similar from Tamron, Tokina etc. I generally can't ever afford the Canon branded 'equivalent' of my EF lenses. Tamron 28-75 and Tokina 11-16 f/2.8s were meant to be my poor man's workhorses. I'll have to buy an adapter from someplace that allows no hassle return and see for myself what really works or not. As a video shooter I'm suddenly I'm kind of remorseful now that the Pana S5 has been announced at a sort of similar price point. Since I'm more of an IBIS zealot than an autofocus guy, it would have been awesome to have the full frame sensor for low light, similar (or better?) dynamic range, top notch IBIS, and apparently less overheating too. Trying to think of where the XT4 really would even have it beat... Size/weight, I suppose. "Eterna"? ...I can workaround with other color profiles all day, enjoy it even.

As far as I know (it's barely documented clearly yet by anyone, including the makers of the adapters - they list some lens general compabilities but say very little about IBIS with each), they mostly turn your XT4 back into an XT3 in terms of IBIS, i.e. they deactivate it with tons of lenses. I get that they've decided/settled for allowing OIS lenses to just replace the camera IBIS, fair enough, I can and do avoid OIS lenses anyway. But for zoom lenses than don't have their own OIS, I really would have thought the adaptor could still allow you use in camera IBIS. I suppose they have some difficulty around communicating the zoom focal length to the camera, which the IBIS must be calculated off. BUT this was no problem on my GH5 with zoom lenses on a Viltrox/Metabones adapter. There's probably just something really awkward about how Fuji handles IBIS focal length calculation. Then there's the fact that I can still notice WILDLY different type of IBIS performance between two identical focal length lenses where one is native Fuji and one is a manual shoot-without-lens adapted mount... IBIS in this camera has been a real disappointment, when you put all of it together. Likewise the AF I suppose, though that was never a huge hangup for me. But IBIS was my whole reason for buying an XT4. Sucks.

I wanted to make a separate thread to ask about this but maybe I shouldn't: Those of you who have used electronic adaptors to mount other lenses on the XT4 - which one(s) are best for still getting IBIS in the camera body to always function while using the adapter? Not DIS, not lens OIS, not IS Boost - I mean actual on-sensor IBIS. I'm probably talking about EF->Fuji adapters here for the most part but sort of interested in whatever's out there too I guess. It sounds like with nearly all the Fringer/Viltrox/Kipon/Metabones electronic adapters, you're pretty much getting an "all bets are off" with regard to whether IBIS will function in the camera when using the adapter, depending on the lens. I DON'T use and don't want to use any lenses that have their own OIS - and I know that OIS lenses force you to have the lens OIS supercede and deactivate the Fuji IBIS when using these adapters. But let's say just a regular electronic zoom EF lens like my Tamron 28-75 or Tokina 11-16, neither of which have lens OIS, apparently these will also prevent me from being able to use XT4's IBIS when on all of these adaptors? Generally it seems like: Lenses with OIS of their own - Fuji IBIS unavailable UNstabilised Zoom lenses - Fuji IBIS is still defeated Unstabilised fixed primes - Fuji IBIS usually may still work Stabilised primes (rare, I can't even think of any) - Presumably still defeat Fuji IBIS It's a real shame if so. If it's really only like that I will probably be going with some kind of fully manual dumb focal reducer (like a Zhongyi Lensturbo ii), keeping full use of IBIS (constantly setting focal mount length manually in the menu) and using other workarounds for if/when I want to change aperture.

yeah. Sort of. You can get a x1.29 crop any time you want at the touch of a (programmed) button. When shooting 4k50/60p you're forced to a x1.19 crop at a minimum anyway. When shooting slowmotion 1080 you're forced to a x1.29 crop anyway When shooting with Digital Image Stabilisation (DIS) on, you're forced to x1.11 crop anyway. (DIS can't be used during slowmo btw) The crops don't stack, of course. Technically ANY time you shoot 4k you can crop x2 into that in post for a decent 1080p too, of course.

Ironically, it might be unauthorised, unofficial 'fixing' of the overheating that does actually spur Canon into a proper recall. They might then appease people with a slightly less crippled version of the camera. Just enough for there to not be as much appetite to hack the thing.

I guess you may be right. It's a funny place, when you consider in the same breadth the thing of how unforgiving their work culture is to the individual. That, and all the japanese rules MMA fights I used to see where you can kick people on the ground in the head 😅

I feel like this may all be utter fallacy and imagined, sorry. Many successful or innovative leaders in their respective field do not necessarily hold a "piece of pie" mentality when it comes to revenue/fanbase/etc. More often the opposite, they're looking beyond the slices. Also, maybe neither of us are experts in Japanese culture, but it seems about as likely to me that in so far as these fairly faceless companies even COULD even be neatly personified with those kind of nearly-sentimental characteristics (I think they're much more like machinery than that, myself), they would be just as inclined to NOT ever pull their punches vs one another out of respect or based on their principles or whatever. Success is still success (the pie is still the pie)... dictators were no less pridefully nationalist for their belief that a unified singular leadership or monopoly on power was the best way.

while reading this inspired monologue I'm feeling like R5 must stand for Ror5chach and a Canon Doomsday crippleclock is ticking down to 2 minutes to 12 in a VIP DefCon installation somewhere. while we all wait for a big, blue, all-powerful, balls-out Dr Samsung to finally bring his godlike presence back from Mars to save the camera world.

Maybe this has been answered already, but: if you're standing still, the XT4 is fantastic. IBIS is very usable in that type of shot. Even for very simple, controlled pans and tilts, it's good too. Just anything more complicated than that (strafing the camera around, elevating it up or down, panning while doing any other movement simultaneous) it struggles.

I've got a Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 I cherish and I can't wait to try on something like Metabones/Viltrox on the XT4, right now I just can't justify spending another $200 (let alone metabones' 600, not sure if there's a future at all where I will spend that) for the immediate timebeing especially when my day-to-day this year is just carrying the XT4 with a pancake on it. But I'll certainly be posting about the results when I finally get one of these adapters. I have a Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 as well that I hope can actually work really well for AF at such a super wide FOV. When 1.19 or 1.29 crop is active I can probably even zoom it all the way back out to 11mm on a speedbooster and get full FoV back, no vignette. I think the fact that I can (i.e. do) already easily also throw my EF lenses on a straight dumb $20 EF adaptor to get their full length probably means I get more mileage out of going focal reducer route rather than the Fringer.

so it tracks subject moving over a gradual (presumably gradual) / small focus distance kinda well but more often messes up bigger focus 'pulls'? Still not sure whether I just resign myself to manual focus and get a Viltrox 'booster rather than the Fringer EF adapter. I think reduced focal lengths will be easier to tame the stabilisation on too.

I don't know how it is with this exact speedbooster on this exact camera but I recall seeing a fairly thorough test with both the Canon 1.4 and 1.8 (STM) 50mm lenses on the Viltrox and Metabones EF->m43, and the cheaper STM 50mm performed better than the 1.4 for some reason in terms of AF, at equal apertures etc. Could be worth considering if the AF thing matters to you. The aperture is already crazy wide enough for me by the time you're x0.71'ing an f/1.8 on APS-C

Been noticing something very worrying the last couple of times I've used my XT4: What seems to be problematic (hot?) pixels on the sensor (this is happening regardless of lens). I'll double check whether this shows up IMMEDIATELY when using the camera at all or only after a lot of minutes of use i.e. heating up. I may need to avail of some kind of return/warranty here if this is really going to be how my camera works... I tried cleaning the sensor with air and nothing changed. Any thoughts? Should I be getting rid of this unit ASAP? Note: youtube has probably destroyed the quality to the point it's hard to see this... try to watch in at least 2k I guess... I did already zoom in the videos etc and used circles to indicate where I could see the bad pixels

Again, on the IBIS, anyone else using manual/dumb-adapter lenses on this thing notice that stabilisation looks COMPLETELY different when you aren't using a native/electronic lens? I mean at the exact same focal length in either case. The IBIS is actually not hideous when you use a fully manual lens/"shoot without lens". Then back to the digusting quantum robocop mode when you put a Fuji lens back on. It's heartbreaking. Might have even stuck with my old GH5 if I knew I'd still be limited to using manual focus lenses to this extent, for such a strange reason.

You can turn IBIS off but I believe you must also have your lens OIS off at the same time then. Or you can't have IBIS on with the (Fuji) lens OIS left off, or something. I avoid OIS lenses anyway so haven't tested myself. When you say AF is good with the speedbooster, what type do you mean? Stills? With these adapters people seem to usually just mean this and then forget to add "oh but of course the AF-C is unusable" when asked about video AF I'm still very disappointed in the IBIS with this camera, especially after the update, and I see people are similarly finding the Exposure "fix" update to be flawed too. I think Fuji has a strategy of releasing firmware updates that purport to address a known issue with the camera, not really actually succeed in fixing said issue, and then just hope the general (misinformed) public awareness of "oh but I heard they fixed that in an update now so it's all good!" spreads enough to keep the sales coming, and the "Fuji cares about its customer base because look at all the firmware fixes" semi-myth continues.

CameraConspiracies guy did seem to manage to recreate an overheat in one of the latest videos. Think he might have been using 4k60 and it was roughly after the quoted 20mins. I used to use my GH5 to non-stop roll internal record on >1hr long live music gigs and it's a slight bummer knowing I can't do that with my XT4 now unless I get a Ninja V or something. I can't remember if I saw yet what the overheating is like in only 1080 or lower fps 4k.

Try some of the older firmware versions from the Viltrox site. A few months ago I had an XH1 and the EFFX2 and couldn't even get the in-body stabilisation working when the adaptor connected. Not sure if they ever fixed it all with the XH1. I returned both in the end. I hope the viltrox adapter compatibility has improved now... Apparently when you connect an OIS lens on the XT4 and EF-FX2, you only get the lens stabilisation and it turns IBIS off. Which sounds terrible, but I can easily enough avoid lens OIS I guess. So all these people praising the Fringer for having great AF, none of them were actually talking about video? That's annoying. Is anyone using the Viltrox speedbooster with an XT4? Interested to know how the IBIS works now. I've noticed strange differences in the feel of the IBIS on manual and adapted lenses vs native. I'm still not sure myself which adapter to get. If the Fringer AF really isn't good enough for video, but the Viltrox AF is just about okay for stills then that's cool with me, especially as I get wider focal reduced lenses then which really helps (in a roundabout way, yes) the poor stabilisation with XT4 and makes it easier to keep in focus /deeper DoF effect than a longer focal length too. Really hard to find good info about the Kipon Baveyes and I don't think I ever wanna spend what the Metabones costs, good as it sounds.

God this would be cool if it included Ireland. Not even northern Ireland included, I suppose. If I was still trying to get paid video gigs I can't imagine I wouldn't be hungrily trying to use this in lieu of actual rental of a lens or camera or two!