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Thank you!

For those interested here is a Spec Ad I shot with my colleague Greg Latham last year. A mix of S1/S5 with canon FD primes, the Lumix 24-105 as well as some Sigma 70-200 EF long lens stuff. Still amazed the quality these cameras produces for the price.

S1/S5/S1H does all have a magenta cast in VLOG to varying degree but if grading in Resolve for example then it's easy to dial out. Alexa LOG C has always a had a green cast for example so not only Panasonic that has a color cast. You can also easily fix it in camera by just adding 9 points of green (or a bit less depending on taste) to each kelvin setting and then save it in custom modes and then you don't have to dial it out in post. In the end I would say magenta cast is a non issue. Two biggest issues except autofocus is moire (on S1/S5) and rolling shutter in full frame mode. Both could be better but in general I am just blown away by how good a camera it is for the money.

I did a quick test yesterday and the S5 is still a little bit brighter and less magenta (both cams on latest firmwares, same settings and same lens with the clips being taken less than 60 seconds apart). However I feel the S1 was maybe a little bit less magenta than last time I did this so maybe they bridged the gap a little. In resolve if you take the offset up one step from 25 to 26 and add 2 points of green with the tint control (on the S1) then it was almost a perfect match so not much work needed to match at least. Another way to take care of it in camera would be to add some green in the kelvin settings and that pretty much takes care of the magenta bias as well.

No I have not done a custom WB and I never do as I always punch in the kelvin I want so in this case I put both cameras to 5600k manually and they dont match obviously. But maybe you are right and if I do custom WB for each they might match but still means setting same kelvins on both cameras won't match for future shoots which is what I would expect when same sensor.

Both are on latest FW (the december one) and both set to same f stop, 640 iso, 180 degree shutter and 5600K. It is not the lens but the cameras. Here are pics with same lens taken less than a minute apart. S5 definitely less magenta (which I prefer but not for matching). S5 is also just a tad brighter. All fixable in post fairly easily but annoying nonetheless. The pic that has the cage around the camera is the S1 and the other is the S5

Anyone on here using S1 and S5 together as A and B cam? Pics below had identical camera settings and grade (the tighter shot is the S5 with the Lumix 85mm 1.8 and the wider shot the S1 with the lumix pro 24-70 2.8 at 70mm). Both are shot in Vlog and running latest firmware. S5 is bluer and a tad brighter overall. I know lens makes a bit of difference but am quite surprised to see such differences considering it is supposedly the same sensor. One can make them match fairly easily in post at least but curious to hear if other people on this forum have noticed as I find very little online.

Film like digital has many looks and this one obviously went for a super16mm look. But one can easily turn off grain, halation and blur and just get the colors with that powergrade. I think grading under a print emulation lut like many pro colorists do helps a lot though to get to something that feels "cinematic" https://juanmelara.com.au

The grain is not as good as on vimeo this is true but if the video is displayed in 4K on youtube it can display grain without it becoming a mushy mess.

The S5 is a great camera and if you want to give it a look that is less digital then I would say add a diffusion filter to the lens like a black promist and color grade in Resolve if you are not doing it already. Since the camera has no AA filter you can then add some gaussian blur to soften the image further in post. There are many great film emulations out there now for purchase that will help you get a filmic look. Juan Melara's Kodak FM 2393 Powergrade, Tom Bolles Cineprint 16 Powergrade and the Dehancer resolve plugin are all great tools at different price points. Color grading is more important than camera choice and you can definitely see differences no matter where it is displayed. Now that youtube displays in 4K on an iPhone film grain looks a lot nicer on phones as well.

I love the texture of film and always try to get some aspect of into all of my projects. I think the camera matters less these days as almost all the dslrs out there can give you a filmic image if one bothers to learn resolve and a bit of color grading. I used the GH5 for years and one can get beautiful images from that camera. Adding an OLPF effect in post with some blur helps getting that digital sharpness down that many DSLR sensors have. There are also so many good resources out there now for getting a filmic look without much work. Juan Melara's Kodak 2393 FM Powergrade is great for getting filmic colors and if you want halation, grain and colors that are as close to film as possible I think Dehancer has that down, very impressive plugin. Also Tom Bolles is releasing Cineprint 16 powergrade for sale soon (video below was shot on GH5). and VFX artist Miguel Santana has Spectra coming out next year and they both look great. Learning some color grading and buying the powergrades/plugins of those that truly understand film emulation will give you better results than buying a blackmagic pocket 4K and slapping their standard lut on. Once you tailor your grade a bit to your camera just save it as a powergrade to use on future projects and then it is as easy as adding a lut to get a good starting point on any project. )

Shot on the S1 with a 1/8 black pro mist (side interview shot is GH5) and some 16mm grain added in. Heavily graded but if you have a bit of color grading knowledge then the S5/S1/S1H is a big step up from GH5 (not to mention low light capabilities). I think the v-log on the S series has a more organic quality than any of Sony, Canon's, Fuji's current offerings (less sharpening). Just bought the S5 as a 2nd camera so look forward to testing that out.

Could you elaborate? Not sure I I understand. I thought I was getting moire due to texture and fabric of the t-shirt. But are you saying it has to do with lighting and the color of the t-shirt? Jim Jones, It was shot in 4K in FF.

Thanks for the answers guys. I shot a few of my shirts today at home and did see moire on some of them too... Will be able to work around it hopefully on shoots but shot them with GH5 as well and no moire and that does not have an OLPF filter either which is why I am little bit bit disappointed it exhibits this... That said it is amazing otherwise.

Hi everyone, Last week I shot an interview on the S1 (in vlog, internal) and the subject is wearing a red t-shirt and there is moire on it (check top right of his shirt). I know that camera the dont have an OLPF filter and this could happen but pretty surprised as I have had zero issues so far filming stuff with much more complicated patterns and also the GH5 that was used as B-cam on the side has no moire at all. Bit disappointed that a normal red t-shirt would have moire in this sort of situation. I wonder if people had some theories to why I got moire in this case? Might have something to do with the blue light in combination with the red t-shirt? (falcon eyes 818) Also any tips on how to reduce it in Resolve would be most welcome:) you can see a clip of it here https://f.io/dWW5vOgC