Matt James Smith ?

I’ve been shooting with mine consistently since 2016. It’s a fantastic camera when you know it’s quirks and limitations. No good for low light or for matching with shallow DOF footage, but the codec is rock solid, it grades beautifully and the colours pop. Slap a bit of film concert on XC10 footage and it looks very S16- like. The IS is incredible - steady handheld footage at 480mm (in 2x crop mode)! - and it’s form factor is great. Canon Rumors has suggested a few times Xanon is working on an interchangeable lens version. Canon even filed a patent for an XC10 body with a custom speedbooster! Is it possible this will be the first RF-mount cinema camera??

It is a camcorder, really, and it's stills mode is abysmal, but it is marketed as a hybrid, does have a dedicated stills mode (and taller sensor in stills mode). It's in a weird category of its own really. While it has a lot of issues, its 4:2:2 305mbps C-log 4K is a bit special IMO: the venerable XC10/XC15!

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This is a good point about security, actually. For many journalists, privacy is an issue even with current cameras, as files aren’t/can’t be encrypted in camera.

Amazing - didn’t know about that. Again though for me it’s about the simplified workflow and potential of 3rd party developers to integrate their own services directly in camera.

It’s very boring of me, but what I want is for the major manufacturers to get to this point soon. I’m a doc filmmaker so I need the reliability and ease of use of Cinema EOS etc. A sandboxed OS with an App Store like iOS might be limiting in some ways but it ensures 3rd party interventions are safe and accountable. Plus it would mean mainstream developers would get on board. Imagine a Frame.io app that allows you to mark a specific moment in a clip (as you shoot?!) and send it to an editor direct from your camera. A Vimeo app that lets you throw a LUT on log footage and upload. Google drive, Dropbox, WeTransfer. An Instagram app that lets you post direct from the camera. Not to mention the obvious technical possibilities of apps like FilmicPro, a stable Magic Lantern type thing, etc, etc.

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In many ways you’ve got more creative control with an EOSM and Magic Lantern, or an iPhone with FilmicPro, than you have with most ‘professional’ cameras. Hurry up with the EOS App Store!

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Not sure why autocorrect put “strongwomen” into my post above. It should’ve just said “strong” 😂

Here's the footage I shot (and threw a load of film emulation effects on top of). It's not edited into anything interesting it's just 20min of stuff ... so skim through and find the bits you like. Some other nice stuff posted here folks - nice to see! The main tips I'd give are: 1. Be aware of the horrific aliasing - tree branches against a bright sky look just horrific. I've added a strongwomen Tiffen Digital Diffusion or HDTVFX filter to the front of the already soft 6mm lens, which suits the consumer 8mm look I'm going for and deals with most of the aliasing. Adding grain in post helps diffuse it too. 2. Rolling shutter. It's awful. Put the strap on the camera and pull it taught around your neck (or use a loupe) to avoid jitters. A pistol grip handle helps too as the EOSM is not an easy camera to hold steady. Then stabilise the footage and correct the rolling shutter in post as best you can (I use Lock & Load). Here's the vid. I'm pretty pleased with it as a Super 8 simulation. Pw: S8mm

Sorry, didn't get a notification for this and forgot I'd posted here I made some more EOSM S8 "film" I'll post later.

Tiffen Digital Diffusion or HDTVFX filters function pretty well as a poor-man’s anti aliasing filter. They also contribute to a more old school film look. You have to hack a filter adapter on to some c mount lenses (I cut a hole in the lens cap and superglued a 37mm to 52mm thread adapter to it!)? I’ve shot some more Super 8 footage - I’ll try to make a short edit and post it later if I get a chance.

I’ve been messing once again with using my EOSM as a Digital Super 8 camera and I’m pretty happy with the results. For the video below I used the following setup. 6mm f/1.2 Pentax TV lens (paper shim between lens and C mount-EOSM adapter, for infinity focus) Tiffen Digital Diffusion 5 filter (reduces moire artefacts) EOSM with latest ML build 18fps override (exact) 5x zoom 12bit lossless RAW 4:3 aspect 1440 x 1080 i just used the aperture ring for exposure, rather than ND, as it seemed more authentically consumer Super 8. This video has effects applied - FilmConvert’s Super 8 grain; FCPX native “aged film” effect applied very sparingly for jitter and a little dust; a telecine’d Super 8 black frame (keyed over footage). If there is interest, I can post the ungraded footage.

The XC10 spits out real 10-bit 422 via HDMI

That link is at the top of page one if you search Canon C200 RAW FCPX. Install that plugin and you’re away. Maybe gratitude rather than taking issue? By the way “RAW” is not a codec in itself - every RAW is different. If you’re talking about the new support for Prores RAW in FCPX, that’s not the RAW the C200 uses.

https://www.canon.co.uk/support/consumer_products/products/digital_cinema/digital_cinema_camera/eos_c200.aspx?type=download&softwaredetailid=tcm:14-1665830 Google is your friend, friend.

Is anyone else getting pink in blown highlights when shooting RAW on EOSM? I use MlRAWviewer to open and convert to DNG but hilight rolloff is awful and all blown areas get filled with bright, flat pink colour.

The sensor is likely to be similar to the GH5S though. Like the XC10, the camera may shoot stills but will be highly video oriented, not a true hybrid like the GH5 - therefore it won't be a high megapixel sensor. If it's 12mp like the XC10, but on a M43 sensor, then it'll be very similar. The image out of the XC10 in good light is fantastic so an improvement on that is to be welcomed.

Yes. This ties into the idea that this lens using this "mount" will be a one-off. Essentially it'll be a Bridge camera like the XC10 with it attached.

There was also this image in the camera/mount patent document:

I remember when the XC10 was launched Canon was talking about it as "the successor to the camcorder." Perhaps they've decided to invest in the format as a fully-fledged professional ENG alternative/competitor?

Yeah it's just occurred to me since my last comment quite how insane the zoom range is. I've also just realised the physical size of the lens - 25cm long unextended! That's like putting a lens significantly longer than a 70-200mm on an XC10! I'm now doubting whether it will be the only lens. They would surely have to also offer a more compact lens. Or maybe I'm wrong and it's not for the XC camera. I can't track down the original patent document. Is an image height of 9.74 -10.82mm consistent with an M43 sensor?

Here we go - this has to be it. It’s a 4/3 sensor. The “native” lens is just an evolution of the super-zoom on the XC10 - a bit faster, built for a slightly larger sensor and detachable only so EF lenses can be used with the camera. http://thenewcamera.com/canon-working-on-43-format-sensor-and-12-385mm-f1-8-4-0-lens/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewCamera+(New+Camera) My guess is this will be the only lens using this mount and with it attached the XC20 (or whatever it gets called) will function much the same as the XC10. It’ll be a big lens though right?! Also not sure how they’ll integrate an ND filter - will it be built into the lens itself? One last musing: nutty as a bundled speed booster may seem, it’s actually consistent with Canon’s road map for the XC series. From the start it was Canon’s answer to the BMPCC and GH series (small size, affordable, small sensor, professional image quality) but friendlier to video journalists. The loupe for the LCD screen of the XC10 was their bundled Z-Finder. The only thing it lacked was an interchangeable mount. This camera will be a direct rival to the new Pocket camera. I doubt it’ll have RAW, but it’ll be the one you can just pick up and shoot with confidence.

I agree the body could be a red herring. But it would be nice if it wasn't ... There's a hell of a lot going on in that mount though. It seems like it could be adaptable to EF, EF-S and EF-M. The patent appears to talk about inserting glass in the adapter too. Canon Rumours interpreted this as a teleconverter, but could it be a built-in focal reducer? What if it's a 1-inch sensor like the XC10 and Canon are building just one or two zooms for that sensor in EF-M mount ... but if you switch to the focal reducer and EF mount you get an effective APSC size sensor. Sounds outlandish I know but the mount is pretty far out already ...