kye

6 hours ago, IronFilm said:

We were discussing this in another thread recently, but if a person wants the "hand held look" without too much over the top "bad" shake, then they should seriously look into getting an EasyRig. That is how the pros do that motion look. 

Indeed we were!

It depends on the size of the rig you're willing to take.  For me, my tolerance doesn't go that far!  But in general, yes, that's the best approach.  I find that without an easyrig you're taking the full weight of the setup (plus your arms) and eventually that will result in shake from your arms, so an easyrig will help with that too.

52 minutes ago, mercer said:

Idk, Kye’s wife may leave him if he shows up to Christmas dinner, looking like a doofus with an easy rig contraption. 

He should definitely make his kids hold up color charts and slates though.

Just don’t yell “CUT” and give Aunt Esmeralda direction during Grace... he is the reason for the season afterall.

Dude, you crack me up!

52 minutes ago, mercer said:

Idk, Kye’s wife may leave him if he shows up to Christmas dinner, looking like a doofus with an easy rig contraption. 

I don't think it would take an easy rig to make me look like a doofus..  I'm well on my way already!!

8 hours ago, Liam said:

These all sound nice... I hope it's not crazy to ask if they actually mean anything.

Excellent question..  

"VALUE" is a concept that people often find vague and confusing, but it is absolutely critical to what you are trying to do.  It's also difficult to describe, but I'll try

Value is something that people are willing to pay for.  Maybe that payment is in money, maybe it's in their time, maybe it's in their attention.

The whole idea of this stuff is that you create something that other people are willing to pay for.  If I see that Casey Neistat has posted a video I make a judgement about if it's worth my time to watch it.  ie, my time is valuable, but is what I get from watching the video more valuable to me?  If so, I will click play and watch it.  If I get bored or whatever during the video I will stop watching, but if it keeps being of value to me then I will keep watching.  If it's really valuable, I might subscribe, hoping to trade more of my time for more valuable content.  If I think it's valuable to other people I will share it.

With the release of the BMPCC4K lots of people have shared videos about test footage and first impressions and the like.  These people who post those videos do so because the content of the video is valuable (or at least, they think it's valuable).  If I watch a video and it's a waste of time I'm not going to share it, unless I think it will be amusing to waste other people's time, which means that I get some amusement, which is valuable to me.
One person who got the BMPCC4K posted an 8 hour live stream of them not unboxing it.  It got shared because it's kind of funny, considering that everyone else unboxed it with excitement, so seeing someone not care if different and interesting, and gave me a laugh, and I like laughing, so that's valuable to me.

Does that make sense?

Business used to be pretty simple - people would sell you something for money.  Sometimes it was a physical product (carton of milk), sometimes it was their effort (hiring a plumber), sometimes it was their time (getting legal advice, or taking a course).

Now things are more complicated and involve lots of people, but ultimately each party involved (the creator, YT, advertisers, etc) each trade something they have for something they don't have that is more valuable to them.

7 hours ago, Liam said:

I would think if you can't find an audience on vimeo, you're totally normal, because vimeo is full. It doesn't have to mean anything about the quality of your content. I'm trying to say I want a route where I'm not competing at all. that's a real thing, but I think anyone who's done that has had to do it on their own... not use what they were told works by a mildly successful blogger etc

Vimeo isn't full.  If you start a channel that gives tomorrows winning lottery numbers each day then just watch what happens....

This is where we need to talk about quality.  People will follow the best quality providers they can.  If Masey Nice-hat starts a YT channel and is better than Casey Neistat then I will prefer watching Macey's videos, and if I only have time to watch one channel, would unsubscribe from Casey.  If you make the best content on a service, people will watch, like, share and subscribe, just like the closing comment on every YT video.  Peter McKinnon hit 1M subs 9 months after starting his channel, and this is why - he made better videos than most people.

The other element is sales..

SALES is telling people about your product.

I used to think that sales was a bad thing.  The old "pushing people to buy things they don't need and can't afford to impress people they don't like" thing.  Now, I think of sales a bit differently.  People have time, money, or skills and they also have needs or wants.   They want to exchange what they have for things they want or need.  Sales is about matching peoples needs or wants to products or services that will genuinely help them.  It's about solving problems.

If you make a good video or write something good, then going out and telling people about it who would be interested in it isn't pushing at all, it's about helping.  People who are bored want entertainment.  People who want to know more about the BMPCC4K want information on it.  People who want to know how to tie a bow-tie want a (short!) tutorial, preferably with a video or pictures.

This is what I mean when I say make something valuable and go out and tell people about it.

57 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Yes, Oly's the best. Panny is not bad at all. I'd even use Fuji's X-H1 standard too, even though to follow GH5 and G85 (better than GX85 before the Gyros improvement). New GoPro HERO 7 Black version is also pretty useful at any rate from a small sensor sized.

Or you still have the Stead XP route:

Users tend to say Sony's implementation is inferior. Aside the fact, compatible stabilized lenses can really help, IBIS is not ready for walking anyways:

After watching a couple of reviews of the E-M1 Mark II it doesn't look that good for video..  Max Yuryev certainly said to skip it.  

It looks like it's got the best IBIS but the other features are all sub-GH5.  The noisy audio pre-amps was surprising.

The E-M1 Mark II quotes 5.5EV and the GH5 quotes 5 stops, but it's also how far the sensor can move and tilt as well.

Is there a performance difference between the G85 and GH5 IBIS?

42 minutes ago, jonpais said:

This one rocks.

Think of the bill for foliage!  Although, the free manure would lower the fertiliser bill for the garden and partly offset running costs!!

I shoot hand-held but don't like shake, as it doesn't suit the style of my films.  I'm looking for the best IBIS to pair with vintage manual lenses, so no dual-IS for me.

People raved about the IBIS in the GH5, but I've heard that Olympus have bettered that with the E-M1 Mark II?  If so, is that the best IBIS?

Basically, I want something as close to a gimbal as I can get in-body.  I'm open to digital stabilisation too, as long as it doesn't completely butcher the image quality.

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

The cheaper the camera, then the more "bad examples" you'll end up seeing. 

And that has nothing to do with the camera inherently itself, but rather is due to the type of people who buy it due to its low price. 

This is true, but not the whole story.

The better a camera is the easier it is to get good results from it.

If you take two cameras and give them to 1000 film-makers the best operators will make good output from both cameras, and the worst operators will make awful films with both, but it's the people in the middle that might have enough skill to get good results out of the better camera but not enough to get good results out of the less good camera.

I think it's about both the people that end up buying it combined with how easy it is to get great results with.

9 hours ago, Liam said:

Lot of people I've been a fan of, way back in the day, were using a mailing list, and maybe I'm embarrassing myself again, buy I just don't know what the basic premise is.. just ask anyone and everyone for their addresses?

There are no embarrassing questions - especially this one where there isn't an easy answer.

In terms of the basic premise that underlies everything, that one is easy...  give people something valuable.

I watch Casey because he's entertaining, and also has a strong personal philosophy that makes me question my own.  This is worth my time.  Peter McKinnon is also entertaining, and sometimes I learn something from him.  I watch Caleb Pike because I learn things.  I watch Wedding Film School and Kraig Adams because I learn things, plus they're entertaining.  I watch Juan Melara because I learn a crazy amount from every video he makes, even though his videos aren't particularly entertaining.  I watch Aliens Guide because it's funny as hell.

I love watching documentaries because I learn things about how the world works, I love watching foreign films because they give me an insight into other cultures or other periods in history.

Work out what you're selling, then get out there and find people that want that thing.

Gary Vaynerchuck says that people struggling to start a business should vlog because their journey to try and create something is actually more valuable than their business (because most businesses fail).  He's worth a look on YT if you haven't heard of him - super opinionated and hugely "go go go" motivational guy, but he doesn't mince words and he knows his shit, plus he's built a $100M social media marketing company so he knows a thing or two about how to succeed.

Ignore viral anything and all the clickbait BS - give something valuable to people and get out and tell people about it and you'll be fine.  but don't expect it to happen quickly.

7 hours ago, MattH said:

People will have their preferences for either but to say they are the same is silly to my eyes.

It would have been nice if they'd be graded the same, or white balanced the same.

I'd like the same test to be done half-way properly, and using Resolve with a colour checker of some kind so we're comparing the cameras and not the WB or the grades.

In the 2012 Zacuto test I didn't rank the Sony F65 highly because I didn't like the grade, yet it is a lovely camera.

Screw slow-motion..  I want people who make review videos to make a list of things they want to say before they hit the record button!  Watching 4 minutes of content delivered over 20+ minutes isn't helping anyone.

I get that people want to get these videos uploaded fast and don't want to edit that much.

A plan of what to say is kind of like doing the editing before you shoot.

The recipe that I hear from the professional youtubers and bloggers is to: 1) be consistent but expect it to take 5 years before it's a full-time income, and 2) be authentic.

If you're crazy good then it will take less time, but my impression is that it always sucks at the start.

One thing I did take note of was that if you come to the attention of someone with a much larger following than you, they will either mention you or not based upon the quality of your past works.  This means that instead of looking at the views of your uploads / posts as you release them, think of them more like your resume for getting big mentions later on.

If you're not enjoying it, then it might be time to change it up so that you're enjoying the journey rather than just grinding to get to somewhere else?

What is it you're doing anyway?

Good stuff!

Controversial opinions are good when they are presented with some arguments behind them - it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree because either way they make you think and perhaps challenge your own beliefs and philosophies.

Congrats Andrew on EOSTV!!  May there be many more episodes to come!

On 10/4/2018 at 1:01 AM, jonpais said:

Nisi 75mm f/0.95 FE Prototype.

Wow..

On 10/4/2018 at 2:42 AM, noone said:

The Bokeh from that is lovely!

Isn't it just!

and this one is lovely too, but makes me think of the caption "Woman miraculously untouched in freak firework accident"....

In regards to camera and battery size, I think the comments about the design being flawed or broken because they don't meet all your dreams is silly.  

You can make a small camera larger by adding things, you can't make a large camera smaller by not putting in the huge battery.

The P4K is small and portable, making it a very capable travel setup.  Sure, you carry a bunch of batteries, but if you're turning the camera on, taking a few shots, turning it off and then changing locations then small is great and batteries can go in your bag with your water and you won't even notice the weight because they're in your bag not in your hands when holding the camera.  If you want to add huge batteries and a cage then that's fine too, they're available and it has the ports.  If you want to set it up for an interview then carry a huge battery setup and plug it into the camera when you need to.  It's modular.... just like all cinema cameras.

Assuming other people shoot the way you do it either naive or arrogant or fundamentally fail to understand modularity at all.  

Buy the camera if it fits your needs, otherwise, buy a Venice or other huge camera and shut up about a camera that isn't made for you!  The clue is in the name - "pocket" cinema camera.

Seriously...

<rant over>

1 hour ago, Jn- said:

Page 33 and 32 respectively below, in the manual, auto exposure.

Thanks Jn, out of likes for today.

Those modes are really well thought out and should do well.  It's good they have the hybrid modes that change one and then the other, considering that cinema cameras often don't have the SS range of hybrids that some might be used to.  My XC10 has a range of about 3-4 stops with SS so I carry a 4-stop fixed ND in addition to the 3-stop internal one in order to be able to expose when the sun is in shot without blowing out a large circle of the sky around the sun.

1 hour ago, matthere said:

@kyeNot sure geographically where you are, but I use camerapricebuster for UK price histories on cameras and lenses..

https://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/Panasonic/Panasonic-G-System-Cameras/Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GH5-Camera-Body not sure if there are other versions of the site, but this may give you what you need?

Thanks - it kind of does.  

I was more thinking something like "it went down when the GH5S came out and people upgraded and then the retail went down before xmas and then people sold a bunch  when the A7III was released" etc..  Do cameras drop in price when newer competing cameras are announced, or released, or is it more seasonal, eg xmas?

1 hour ago, leslie said:

you can turn your tv on too any current affairs program or news program and see that people are exploiting or bullying (or insert favourite rant here) one another in every aspect of life it aint just the forum.  hence vigilance is required  no more no less than out there in the real world.

Actually, my TVs don't tune into anything other than online digital content

But yes, we're starting to get to the business end of globalisation and the information age and lots of people aren't happy about having the world turned upside-down without their prior approval.

Does anyone know the price history of the GH5 and when it's likely to drop in price further?

I haven't been following it, but now it's in first place in my list so I'm wondering about timing.  I'm gathering that some of these new cameras being released are going to replace GH5s and thus the used price will drop?

40 minutes ago, Snowbro said:

I would like to see peter m disclose his canon payments once. The 6d ii & the eos r promotion; saying he is going to use it all the time, then still just uses the 1dx ii. Makes you wonder, maybe canada doesn't have laws requiring you to disclose?

YT requires you to disclose if a video contains a promotion - I'm sure there's a definition behind that and I'd be surprised if Peter wasn't making sure to meet that criteria, considering that his YT channel is the cornerstone of his income and PR.

It would be interesting to understand the full picture though.  Having good friends in a company wouldn't be included in that tick-box, neither would being able to borrow equipment for free, or borrow equipment before the stores get it in stock probably either.  We didn't used to blend business with personal relationships, or if we did it was in a way that was understood (eg, if you were in purchasing and everyone knew you were taking kick-backs), but it's now much more difficult to sort out who is sufficiently impartial to tell the whole truth, who tells enough of the truth to be useful, and who will mislead you.

We're in tricky territory unfortunately.

I heard that kids are pretty good at judging authenticity and apparently do it really fast.  I think it's a skill that we all need to further develop.

7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

As long as the DJI and Blackmagic employees do it under their own (real) names and logos, I'm fine with it. Pretending to be customers, not so much.

Agreed.  Trust is about disclosure.  Thanks for your efforts and keep us updated.

56 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Now I’m beginning to see why some think YT is a waste of time though...

What's that line..  "57 channels and nothing on"

TV was like that too!

???

I am contemplating this exact question and I think it might be something like 35mm.  

We all know 28mm because it's the widest end of the kit lens and most phones, and it's very flexible but I think a little too wide for nice people shots.  35mm is still an environmental portrait but is a little nicer aesthetically.

In terms of going wider, you always want a wider lens unless you've got something around the 12mm mark, which makes landscapes look great, so 28mm is a compromise for both people and landscapes.  Most videos are more about the people than the scenery, and you can always pan, which reveals the scenery instead of just hitting you with it like a still image needs to.

Like Jon I love the ability to punch in, so I'd be tempted to get a lens that was about 35mm punched in, and was wider at the full sensor read-out.

Of course, in reality, it's easy and cheap to add a 50mm equivalent, so combined with crop mode that would give you ~25mm, ~35mm, 50mm, and ~80 with just two primes.  and you can scale a bit in post without losing much quality, especially if you shoot in 4K, so the flexibility is there

Just now, Emanuel said:

On the spot. This camera brand has mojo...

in which case, I'm looking forward to seeing it used with more flavourful lenses..  the 0.95 Voitlanders, the Hellios 44M-4, etc etc...  even adding a Tiffen Black Pro Mist filter.  Damn that would be something!

Does anyone know if it does auto-exposure using ISO or SS?  I saw something about auto-iris in the specifications, but nothing else.

If it doesn't then that will give a lot of YouTubers unboxing shock!

On 10/4/2018 at 7:32 PM, Anaconda_ said:

 

Damn that's nice.  I'm surprised to see it's the 2.8 zoom, which I assume is like most modern lenses and doesn't have much flavour, which means it's the BM side that is where the magic is coming from.

On 10/4/2018 at 9:15 PM, DBounce said:

Does anyone shoot anything but slow-mo?

Not in camera tests.

I shoot my videos and hardly any shots are slow-mo, but they're real videos about content, not tests

On 10/5/2018 at 9:45 AM, webrunner5 said:

Wow tough choice. Some things one is better, then it is worse. Highlight roll off wins on the PK4. A lot depends on the grading skills. I am sure the GH5 is less of a hassle though. Doesn't look like they would be too good as a A and B camera together. Not unless the GH5 is being recorded in ProRes.No surprise on that point though. I am pretty sure with good Coloring skills the PK4 would be the winner, but how many have that ability. Somehow the original BMPCC seemed more goof proof to get it somewhat right. I think this looks a bit harder to do. It just seems to lack something. But way too early to tell. I am sure there will be tweeks to it from BMD. For the money it still is hard to beat, but at a slower pace than some of the new kids on the block. The XT3 looks like the winner for a fast turn around. Boy if it just had IBIS in it.

The wolfcrow comparison was interesting, showing the GH5 and P4K limitations compared to ARRI.  However, if you capture everything then I think it's up to the grade, and grading is a huge amount more difficult than most people on YT even understand. 

Just look at Juan Melara vs the YT colourists who don't grade high-end stuff - they don't even use the same tools!!

17 hours ago, leslie said:

i'm expecting an australian company would make a camera for australian conditions

Unlike Sony who build cooling system that assumes there's a blizzard blowing directly onto the camera body!!

13 hours ago, DBounce said:

Exposure looks different in those shots also. So there is that. Honestly, with a little care they would look pretty dam well indistinguishable. 

Agreed.  

So many camera tests where the person doesn't even WB and then the armchair pixel peepers extrapolate it to the moon!

7 hours ago, majoraxis said:

Maybe it is implied, but I think the Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2.5k has equally good mojo and beats the OG Pocket in dynamic range, field of view and resolution and used, is less than the Pocket 4k.

It's also a very similar size (width I think) so BM has been quite sneaky in allowing us all to still think of the size of the original pocket..

5 hours ago, dbp said:

I still have and love the original pocket, but does anyone else remember alot of the early footage from it? It was terrible! The good stuff was amazing, but much of it was worse than DSLR offerings at the time, mostly thanks to people being in over their heads with the grading.

So I'm reserving my judgement on the pocket 4K for a while. The early stuff looks solidly good, but I think the best is yet to come. 

The best is absolutely yet to come, and I suspect that like many other low-end cinema cameras, the best will be on TV or the big screen, not on YT with the camera and lenses in the video description, so we won't have any clue.

That was one of my main beefs with the persecution that the XC10 and XC15 received - they are frequently seen on professional sets and footage from them is probably used regularly and no-one would ever be able to tell, meanwhile a few online tests by people who can't WB are pixel peeped to death and everyone thinks the footage is worse than the first iPhone...

10 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I think webrunner5 might be one of these brand infiltrators Andrew was talking about.

Nah, stick around and you'll realise he's way to grumpy to be a believer in almost anything!!

Welcome to the forums.. home of nice people, good advice, and a bit of snark and hip-and-shoulder too

9 hours ago, Leica50mm said:

Sounded so good, i got one . Pocket Rocket . 

Awesome - what lens is that?

12mm and crazy fast?

8 hours ago, jonpais said:

Now that would be something.

Shallow DoF simulations in VIDEO will come, it's just about processing power.  My understanding is that they do it by having two cameras where one of them senses depth (could be wrong here) but basically they take two images and then do math to work out which bits they should blur.  With computing power going up steadily it's just a matter of time, and Apple has already demonstrated it's something people want that is worthwhile investing the tech into.  

It might be something they do in post - if they record both streams and then "develop" it later in non-realtime even.

6 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

All I know is that I rather shoot a video with an Alexa over a smartphone and I see a clear difference under equal lighting conditions. If you dont then all the power to you.

I understand your POV and agree, but also see @webrunner5 perspective too.

I look at it from a few perspectives:

• Image quality - smartphones are getting better so fast that they'll soon be 'good enough' except in difficult lighting conditions (the 2012 Zacuto camera shootout was interesting and we've come a long way since the iPhone 4s which was used in that shootout)
• Flexibility - more DR and function buttons and all that stuff really matters because it makes it a lot easier to get the results you want - lower DR, a touchscreen and lightening/USB port is a million miles from a C300 and that really matters on set
• Connectivity - SDI ports, timecode, external power options really matter and phones are basically nowhere on this
• Convenience - phones are always with you, always on, and don't attract a lot of attention, which means that much more content is available to film, either from the perspective that a dedicated camera would prevent you from getting the shot or that it would just make it more difficult

We evaluate phones on image quality and convenience alone because they lack the other practical things that "real" cameras have.  It depends on what you shoot and your priorities I think.

Arguments start when people have different priorities and don't fully explain themselves.

Please everyone be nice - in person most of us would agree and calmly explain ourselves

6 hours ago, Shield3 said:

I have an 8 plus.  You shoot anything besides casual walk around good light close up items?  I'll post my best MOON pic with a real camera, and you show me yours with a phone.  $1000 cash says mine is so much better.

What phone is going to shoot my kids playing sports with ANY sort of detail at 200 feet away?  Talking video.

Up next, I'll show up and do another wedding video with my phone.  Clients will love that; I'll tell them webrunner5 sent me.

I have to get out this thread; can't waste any more time arguing with people who just don't get it.

It depends on what you're shooting.

If you're in good light, and are looking for a wide angle deep DoF shot and don't need timecode and external monitoring then a phone can be almost as good as an Alexa.  I take shots on my phone when I travel quite a bit because that combination is great for scenic landscapes and such, even though I have an XC10 that has decent DR, C-Log, 305Mbps codec, timecode, and ergonomics that most DSLRs can only dream of.

I've seen a lovely wedding video shot with an iPhone.  It was an experiment, the couple agreed ahead of time, and they probably didn't pay full price, but it worked.

Film-making is all about compromises, we don't have cameras that can meet how well we see so capturing things is always choosing which things the human eye can see that we don't capture, and phones are no different, they're just more of a compromise.

So, you CAN shoot a wedding, but at least for now you probably SHOULDN'T

49 minutes ago, Geoff CB said:

I've just started writing off threads the second some of you guys start posting other subjects. 

Great looking footage from this camera Andrew, wish it had mic input.      

Every thread is mostly the same conversation - convergence.  More specifically the convergence of Hollywood, the movie theatre, broadcast television, cinema cameras, home movie cameras, film-splicing editing machines, recording studios, typewriters and telephones.  Fast forward far enough and these will all be included into a tiny device mounted somewhere near our eye.

This convergence is difficult for many people to come to terms with because these things never touched.  Not even the Bell Labs think tank where they predicted the mobile phone thought that it would include a camera inside it.

Everyone is struggling with the fact the tech isn't there yet in terms of what we see in our heads, but we're still interested in it enough to thrash it out in forums because every few iterations take us a meaningful step forwards in being able to achieve that vision.  It's too rubbish to be happy with, but is improving too fast to ignore.  It's actually the creative drive that powers much of these conversations.  

I don't want 4K60 10-bit with IBIS because I like letters and numbers and spending money - I want it because 4K 422 allows 1080 4444 (I output in 1080), 60p enables slow-motion which suits the aesthetic of the home videos I shoot because time seems to slow in the magical moments that I want to capture, 10-bit because I shoot outside in high DR with a log profile and I want to have the flexibility in post and get rich colours, and IBIS because shake distracts from the smooth magic I want to create and draws attention to the fact it's a film rather than a memory.

Do I need all these things - no, do they support my creative vision - yes

On 9/27/2018 at 1:47 PM, anonim said:

https://www.zacuto.com/revenge-of-the-great-camera-shootout-2012 - than look further etc, even at EOSHD and Andrew Read comments...

Finally watched this, and...... I'm in trouble!

I watched it blind like they said, and my picks fell into into three tiers, the top included the F3, the Epic, and the Alexa.  The mid tier was the F65, C300, FS100, and the 7D.  The last was the GH2 and the iPhone.

I swear I watched it blind!!

8 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

2. Use a soldering iron and some wire somewhere within the area shown in red to attach a 3.5mm jack socket to the hole made in step 1.

If you choose the wrong place in step 2 then take the item in the blue circle and drag it vigorously across the underneath of the item in the green circle.

oh man...  that made me laugh!!

ironically, I might actually be able to work that out.  Find the internal mics and trace to their buffers, splice in a new cable, mount the socket somewhere, probably with a couple of resistors and diodes to prevent nasty things from happening and get the right levels...

I've modded enough hifi equipment in my life

Thanks @mercer and @webrunner5 

Posting your creativity online is always a bit nerve wracking, especially around people that do this stuff for a living!

I've worked out that IBIS is the way forward for me.  I thought fast primes were always big and heavy (I was extrapolating upwards from my Sigma 18-35 F1.8!) but after seeing a bunch of lovely MFT suitable lenses like the Hellios and the Voitlanders I now realise that they're not heavy enough to stabilise the camera the way a Fujinon Cine 18-55 would, and I couldn't carry that weight all day anyway.

And because primes don't have IS, I need IBIS for hand-holding.

I suspect there's a GH5 in my future, but we'll wait and see.  So I picked up a few cheap m42 lenses to try with my GF3 and see how I go (Hellios 44M, Yashica Yashikor 28mm f2.8). Assuming I like them I'll work out if a G85 or GH5 or whatever is the right fit and fill in the gaps, the Voitlander 10.5mm and 17.5mm 0.95 lenses look absolutely stunning!  If Panasonics FF camera is 8K then the price of a used GH5 will plummet and my lens budget will be huge!! ???

5 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

Step 1

and...... where are the rest of the steps?