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I love these videos!
If only they weren't so misleading... I'd like the "Filmed on ONLY the Pixel 3" version!
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21 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:
That's what you'd get from these cams. Actually, I think the stabilization system on any brand will get you there. My wife has an X-Pro2 with some cool optical stabilization, but I'm partial to IBIS though because I like to use old primes.
I am also interested in old primes, so OIS is out, and I'm sure that most cameras IBIS would do a good job but I sometimes shoot at longer focal lengths or when I'm doing difficult movements and that's where I could use the extra help and want the best IBIS I can get.
This is me a few weeks ago in Pomeii doing a fake slider shot:
This kind of stuff is why great IBIS can't always be replaced with mediocre IBIS or a gimbal or tripod / monopod / steadicam / shoulder-rig / easy-rig.
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On 10/9/2018 at 7:07 AM, PannySVHS said:
My favorite built and designed camera for photography is the GF1. I think thats how one should built a small camera body. Even with its non existent handgrip it feels awesome in hand.
I read a few in-depth reviews of the GF1 where people described it as the perfect travel camera (for stills) and that inspired me to buy my GF3 which I found to be excellent in basically every way. IIRC the GF1 had some kind of unique control configuration allowing you to adjust the important parameters, but they changed it on the updated models for some reason. I ended up with the GF3 in full-auto and most of the time it knew what I wanted and left me to think about being creative instead of being a camera technician. That's the way it should be, and many of my best shots came from it.
My GF3 even had a metal body, which was appreciated when I dropped it once onto concrete and it hit the corner just next to the LCD - because it was metal it just dented a bit and everything is fine, if it was plastic I fear the LCD would have been collateral damage!
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1 minute ago, MattH said:
It's actually not surprising that the bitrate is higher as its 4 times the resolution. But you would think that in viewing 4k on a 1080 monitor you would not make use of that extra information, that is if the 1080 bitrate was sufficient to deliver true 1080p quality. So since there is a big difference the conclusion is that the 1080 bitrate is not sufficient. And presumably the 4k bitrate is not sufficient to deliver true 4k quality on a large 4k monitor. Thanks for the link.
No worries.
I agree that neither bitrate is sufficient for our purposes, although they seem to be sufficient for YT bottom line, which is what they were optimised for!
It's a pity that Vimeo doesn't provide a good alternative because their quality is much better, but Andrew recently did a poll and more than half have video pausing problems, and a third can't ever watch a video without them (me included).
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4 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:
It's okay. Depending on what you're shooting, a shooter often has to skip it though. The algorithm will fail when high motion is present. Panning or tilting is not a good idea.
That said, the GH5 under the standard IBIS will take the edge off of handheld shooting for sure. It's actually kinda nice that it "floats" a bit. Gives the frame some smoothness, but maintaining a nice kinetic energy.
But the IBIS on my EM5II is still the best I've ever used. With that and a little practice, one could easily emulate dolly shots handheld.
IBIS is not a gimbal though. If you think you can get it to work that way, prepare to be disappointed.
Good info, thanks
I've shot hand-held forever, and even before I was into video I shot a lot of long exposure stills hand-held with tiny cameras, so my jedi gimbal hands aren't too bad. What I want is something to take the edge off. I shoot hand-held because I like the freedom of movement and speed of shooting, but in terms of movement I want somewhere between the shaky-and-distracting-as-crap look of no IS and the too-smooth-slightly-drugged-floaty look of gimbal footage. I would also like to be able to do a passable hand-held pan or tilt if I'm in a pinch.
The level of movement from a shoulder-rig is probably about right, but I find myself frequently in situations where there isn't time or space for any kind of camera support so IBIS is where it's at for me.
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On 10/9/2018 at 4:47 AM, MattH said:
Although im pretty sure youtube has reduced the quality of their HD stream because even on a 1080 monitor when I sellect 4k the quality goes up considerably. So for maximum quality on youtube it may be best to upload at 4k even for people with HD monitors. Though I supose you could easily upscale your finished HD video before uploading it.
On 10/9/2018 at 5:03 AM, webrunner5 said:Yeah I am not sure how that really works. It is complicated.
I did some testing myself to work it out, and long story short is that if you watch a video in 4K (or 1080p60 I am told) then the bitrate of the stream from YT is considerably higher.
Here's the thread if you're curious:
https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/26746-getting-good-video-quality-on-youtube/
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If no IBIS then it's a GH5S competitor. Lots of pros use the A7SII for video work on gimbals, so it makes sense to have a version that goes after RED and the like.
4K 120 isn't so far fetched.. The data-rate for it is 4 times that of 4K30, and 8K30 is also 4 times that of 4K30. I don't know where the most difficult part of a data pipeline is, but they're probably very similar engineering challenges.
If they're looking to differentiate it from the A7SII then those features will definitely do it, and it will mean that it's not completely replacing the previous model.
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@Sage I've just settled on a GH5 and am interested in the GHa products.
Can you give a brief outline of how they work? I assume that there are some custom settings or a LUT that you configure the camera with and some other LUTs that you apply in post?
Also, does it work with the HLG profile (which will probably be my preferred profile)?
I'm grading in Resolve and have had a lot of success grading C-Log by having a WB/exposure node then the conversion node and then the grade, which I understand is how you recommend using GHa?
Thanks
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Wife talked my into the GH5. I read reviews that the Olympus had better IBIS but was sub-par on everything else, so GH5 it is.
10 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:Hard to go wrong with GH5 IBIS. No you can't really casually walk with it or run. But for some slower controlled movements and doing tripod like shots without a tripod, its pretty darn good.
I have the XC10 and the IS in it is good but not great and I can get the odd walking follow shot that works out because I've been working on my ninja walking techniques for a while now.
Mostly though it's me doing fake tripod shots, pans, or sideways/forward slider shots without moving my feet, so I'm all good with those and they're my bread and butter moves, so it should be great for that
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6 hours ago, IronFilm said:
We were discussing this in another thread recently, but if a person wants the "hand held look" without too much over the top "bad" shake, then they should seriously look into getting an EasyRig. That is how the pros do that motion look.
Indeed we were!
It depends on the size of the rig you're willing to take. For me, my tolerance doesn't go that far! But in general, yes, that's the best approach. I find that without an easyrig you're taking the full weight of the setup (plus your arms) and eventually that will result in shake from your arms, so an easyrig will help with that too.
52 minutes ago, mercer said:Idk, Kye’s wife may leave him if he shows up to Christmas dinner, looking like a doofus with an easy rig contraption.
He should definitely make his kids hold up color charts and slates though.
Just don’t yell “CUT” and give Aunt Esmeralda direction during Grace... he is the reason for the season afterall.
Dude, you crack me up!
52 minutes ago, mercer said:Idk, Kye’s wife may leave him if he shows up to Christmas dinner, looking like a doofus with an easy rig contraption.
I don't think it would take an easy rig to make me look like a doofus.. I'm well on my way already!!
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8 hours ago, Liam said:
These all sound nice... I hope it's not crazy to ask if they actually mean anything.
Excellent question..
"VALUE" is a concept that people often find vague and confusing, but it is absolutely critical to what you are trying to do. It's also difficult to describe, but I'll try
Value is something that people are willing to pay for. Maybe that payment is in money, maybe it's in their time, maybe it's in their attention.
The whole idea of this stuff is that you create something that other people are willing to pay for. If I see that Casey Neistat has posted a video I make a judgement about if it's worth my time to watch it. ie, my time is valuable, but is what I get from watching the video more valuable to me? If so, I will click play and watch it. If I get bored or whatever during the video I will stop watching, but if it keeps being of value to me then I will keep watching. If it's really valuable, I might subscribe, hoping to trade more of my time for more valuable content. If I think it's valuable to other people I will share it.
With the release of the BMPCC4K lots of people have shared videos about test footage and first impressions and the like. These people who post those videos do so because the content of the video is valuable (or at least, they think it's valuable). If I watch a video and it's a waste of time I'm not going to share it, unless I think it will be amusing to waste other people's time, which means that I get some amusement, which is valuable to me.
One person who got the BMPCC4K posted an 8 hour live stream of them not unboxing it. It got shared because it's kind of funny, considering that everyone else unboxed it with excitement, so seeing someone not care if different and interesting, and gave me a laugh, and I like laughing, so that's valuable to me.Does that make sense?
Business used to be pretty simple - people would sell you something for money. Sometimes it was a physical product (carton of milk), sometimes it was their effort (hiring a plumber), sometimes it was their time (getting legal advice, or taking a course).
Now things are more complicated and involve lots of people, but ultimately each party involved (the creator, YT, advertisers, etc) each trade something they have for something they don't have that is more valuable to them.
7 hours ago, Liam said:I would think if you can't find an audience on vimeo, you're totally normal, because vimeo is full. It doesn't have to mean anything about the quality of your content. I'm trying to say I want a route where I'm not competing at all. that's a real thing, but I think anyone who's done that has had to do it on their own... not use what they were told works by a mildly successful blogger etc
Vimeo isn't full. If you start a channel that gives tomorrows winning lottery numbers each day then just watch what happens....
This is where we need to talk about quality. People will follow the best quality providers they can. If Masey Nice-hat starts a YT channel and is better than Casey Neistat then I will prefer watching Macey's videos, and if I only have time to watch one channel, would unsubscribe from Casey. If you make the best content on a service, people will watch, like, share and subscribe, just like the closing comment on every YT video. Peter McKinnon hit 1M subs 9 months after starting his channel, and this is why - he made better videos than most people.
The other element is sales..
SALES is telling people about your product.
I used to think that sales was a bad thing. The old "pushing people to buy things they don't need and can't afford to impress people they don't like" thing. Now, I think of sales a bit differently. People have time, money, or skills and they also have needs or wants. They want to exchange what they have for things they want or need. Sales is about matching peoples needs or wants to products or services that will genuinely help them. It's about solving problems.
If you make a good video or write something good, then going out and telling people about it who would be interested in it isn't pushing at all, it's about helping. People who are bored want entertainment. People who want to know more about the BMPCC4K want information on it. People who want to know how to tie a bow-tie want a (short!) tutorial, preferably with a video or pictures.
This is what I mean when I say make something valuable and go out and tell people about it.
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57 minutes ago, Emanuel said:
Yes, Oly's the best. Panny is not bad at all. I'd even use Fuji's X-H1 standard too, even though to follow GH5 and G85 (better than GX85 before the Gyros improvement). New GoPro HERO 7 Black version is also pretty useful at any rate from a small sensor sized.
Or you still have the Stead XP route:
Users tend to say Sony's implementation is inferior. Aside the fact, compatible stabilized lenses can really help, IBIS is not ready for walking anyways:
After watching a couple of reviews of the E-M1 Mark II it doesn't look that good for video.. Max Yuryev certainly said to skip it.
It looks like it's got the best IBIS but the other features are all sub-GH5. The noisy audio pre-amps was surprising.
The E-M1 Mark II quotes 5.5EV and the GH5 quotes 5 stops, but it's also how far the sensor can move and tilt as well.
Is there a performance difference between the G85 and GH5 IBIS?
42 minutes ago, jonpais said:This one rocks.
Think of the bill for foliage! Although, the free manure would lower the fertiliser bill for the garden and partly offset running costs!!
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I shoot hand-held but don't like shake, as it doesn't suit the style of my films. I'm looking for the best IBIS to pair with vintage manual lenses, so no dual-IS for me.
People raved about the IBIS in the GH5, but I've heard that Olympus have bettered that with the E-M1 Mark II? If so, is that the best IBIS?
Basically, I want something as close to a gimbal as I can get in-body. I'm open to digital stabilisation too, as long as it doesn't completely butcher the image quality.
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1 hour ago, IronFilm said:
The cheaper the camera, then the more "bad examples" you'll end up seeing.
And that has nothing to do with the camera inherently itself, but rather is due to the type of people who buy it due to its low price.This is true, but not the whole story.
The better a camera is the easier it is to get good results from it.
If you take two cameras and give them to 1000 film-makers the best operators will make good output from both cameras, and the worst operators will make awful films with both, but it's the people in the middle that might have enough skill to get good results out of the better camera but not enough to get good results out of the less good camera.
I think it's about both the people that end up buying it combined with how easy it is to get great results with.
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9 hours ago, Liam said:
Lot of people I've been a fan of, way back in the day, were using a mailing list, and maybe I'm embarrassing myself again, buy I just don't know what the basic premise is.. just ask anyone and everyone for their addresses?
There are no embarrassing questions - especially this one where there isn't an easy answer.
In terms of the basic premise that underlies everything, that one is easy... give people something valuable.
I watch Casey because he's entertaining, and also has a strong personal philosophy that makes me question my own. This is worth my time. Peter McKinnon is also entertaining, and sometimes I learn something from him. I watch Caleb Pike because I learn things. I watch Wedding Film School and Kraig Adams because I learn things, plus they're entertaining. I watch Juan Melara because I learn a crazy amount from every video he makes, even though his videos aren't particularly entertaining. I watch Aliens Guide because it's funny as hell.
I love watching documentaries because I learn things about how the world works, I love watching foreign films because they give me an insight into other cultures or other periods in history.
Work out what you're selling, then get out there and find people that want that thing.
Gary Vaynerchuck says that people struggling to start a business should vlog because their journey to try and create something is actually more valuable than their business (because most businesses fail). He's worth a look on YT if you haven't heard of him - super opinionated and hugely "go go go" motivational guy, but he doesn't mince words and he knows his shit, plus he's built a $100M social media marketing company so he knows a thing or two about how to succeed.
Ignore viral anything and all the clickbait BS - give something valuable to people and get out and tell people about it and you'll be fine. but don't expect it to happen quickly.
- IronFilm and Mark Romero 2
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7 hours ago, MattH said:
People will have their preferences for either but to say they are the same is silly to my eyes.
It would have been nice if they'd be graded the same, or white balanced the same.
I'd like the same test to be done half-way properly, and using Resolve with a colour checker of some kind so we're comparing the cameras and not the WB or the grades.
In the 2012 Zacuto test I didn't rank the Sony F65 highly because I didn't like the grade, yet it is a lovely camera.
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Screw slow-motion.. I want people who make review videos to make a list of things they want to say before they hit the record button! Watching 4 minutes of content delivered over 20+ minutes isn't helping anyone.
I get that people want to get these videos uploaded fast and don't want to edit that much.
A plan of what to say is kind of like doing the editing before you shoot.
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The recipe that I hear from the professional youtubers and bloggers is to: 1) be consistent but expect it to take 5 years before it's a full-time income, and 2) be authentic.
If you're crazy good then it will take less time, but my impression is that it always sucks at the start.
One thing I did take note of was that if you come to the attention of someone with a much larger following than you, they will either mention you or not based upon the quality of your past works. This means that instead of looking at the views of your uploads / posts as you release them, think of them more like your resume for getting big mentions later on.
If you're not enjoying it, then it might be time to change it up so that you're enjoying the journey rather than just grinding to get to somewhere else?
What is it you're doing anyway?
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Good stuff!
Controversial opinions are good when they are presented with some arguments behind them - it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree because either way they make you think and perhaps challenge your own beliefs and philosophies.
Congrats Andrew on EOSTV!! May there be many more episodes to come!
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On 10/4/2018 at 1:01 AM, jonpais said:
Wow..
On 10/4/2018 at 2:42 AM, noone said:The Bokeh from that is lovely!
Isn't it just!
and this one is lovely too, but makes me think of the caption "Woman miraculously untouched in freak firework accident"....
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In regards to camera and battery size, I think the comments about the design being flawed or broken because they don't meet all your dreams is silly.
You can make a small camera larger by adding things, you can't make a large camera smaller by not putting in the huge battery.
The P4K is small and portable, making it a very capable travel setup. Sure, you carry a bunch of batteries, but if you're turning the camera on, taking a few shots, turning it off and then changing locations then small is great and batteries can go in your bag with your water and you won't even notice the weight because they're in your bag not in your hands when holding the camera. If you want to add huge batteries and a cage then that's fine too, they're available and it has the ports. If you want to set it up for an interview then carry a huge battery setup and plug it into the camera when you need to. It's modular.... just like all cinema cameras.
Assuming other people shoot the way you do it either naive or arrogant or fundamentally fail to understand modularity at all.
Buy the camera if it fits your needs, otherwise, buy a Venice or other huge camera and shut up about a camera that isn't made for you! The clue is in the name - "pocket" cinema camera.
Seriously...
<rant over>
1 hour ago, Jn- said:Page 33 and 32 respectively below, in the manual, auto exposure.
Thanks Jn, out of likes for today.
Those modes are really well thought out and should do well. It's good they have the hybrid modes that change one and then the other, considering that cinema cameras often don't have the SS range of hybrids that some might be used to. My XC10 has a range of about 3-4 stops with SS so I carry a 4-stop fixed ND in addition to the 3-stop internal one in order to be able to expose when the sun is in shot without blowing out a large circle of the sky around the sun.
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1 hour ago, matthere said:
@kyeNot sure geographically where you are, but I use camerapricebuster for UK price histories on cameras and lenses..
https://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/Panasonic/Panasonic-G-System-Cameras/Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GH5-Camera-Body not sure if there are other versions of the site, but this may give you what you need?
Thanks - it kind of does.
I was more thinking something like "it went down when the GH5S came out and people upgraded and then the retail went down before xmas and then people sold a bunch when the A7III was released" etc.. Do cameras drop in price when newer competing cameras are announced, or released, or is it more seasonal, eg xmas?
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1 hour ago, leslie said:
you can turn your tv on too any current affairs program or news program and see that people are exploiting or bullying (or insert favourite rant here) one another in every aspect of life it aint just the forum. hence vigilance is required no more no less than out there in the real world.
Actually, my TVs don't tune into anything other than online digital content
But yes, we're starting to get to the business end of globalisation and the information age and lots of people aren't happy about having the world turned upside-down without their prior approval.
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Does anyone know the price history of the GH5 and when it's likely to drop in price further?
I haven't been following it, but now it's in first place in my list so I'm wondering about timing. I'm gathering that some of these new cameras being released are going to replace GH5s and thus the used price will drop?
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The sad thing for me is that I have an excellent internet connection, but Vimeo still plays badly.
I get around it by using a video downloader to download Vimeo videos, watch them and then delete them. So I can't watch a Vimeo video in 1080 (let alone 4K) but the download software can download the video in 4K at faster than real-time (eg, I can download a 4 minute video in under 4 minutes) so it's actually the player and not their servers that's the issue in my case. Either way, YT works fine and Vimeo doesn't.