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The same thing happened with the xc10. Specs were crap but the image was unmatched for a s16 look. It is the nature of canon. If u like good images then the Eos r will give u that. Talk about absolute sharpness in 4k is complete nonsense; its unimaginative and any artist worth anything could care less about it.

How many cups of coffee did this person have before shooting this?

Post some vids when you get a chance.

Good point. Just speculating here but it might also be part of a terms of settlement or something whereby they are forced to impose these rules. Seems fairly draconian otherwise. Vimeo is a no go anyway because u can't even stream in 1080p without constant interruptions.

Fuji xt3

https://***URL removed***/news/2269209875/magic-lantern-starts-work-on-way-to-enhance-canon-eos-r-feature-set

Rs mention and tests.

https://youtu.be/v5ge20V2oVc

I used to use a6500 on the first version crane. Footage was smooth as anything and it was because of the ibis. I put other cameras on there and it just wasn't near the same. Ibis is a necessity.

He used the movie crop mode in 1080p. Which is disingenuous cause later he said he got the camera so he could use it in full frame 1080p. So rightly speaking he should be comparing the full frame 1080p, being the reason he bought the camera, against the 4k. I think there is a reason why he didnt do that. I just noticed it because on dave's footage of the eos r in the background you can see cars whizzing by and there is no issue with skewing. That was at a pretty wide angle though, so I guess I wanted to see if it was acceptable at a 35mm equivalent.

I think it is a bit videoy for my tastes. Not the kind of image I go for. I also think that ibis is still essential even on a gimbal. There are heaps of micro-jitters in the footage that are usually smoothed out by ibis. Really hard to get rid of it in post.

I asked for the focal length because at the 90mm equivalency the RS will be exaggerated. It would be helpful if you did another test at 35mm or 50mm equivalency - as I would imagine most people using crop glass will be using it at these focal lengths.

What focal length was used for the RS test

That might be the case. But I think their strategy is to balance between the various segments of their market. That is, they are giving you enough features to buy an Eos r, for example, but not enough to have it replace a more specialized model, a c200, for example. It is a delicate game they are playing. So for instance you have the 1dx mkii which can do 4k full frame yet there is a clear conscious decision to omit clog, completely unrelated to any hardware constraints. In the Eos R we do get clog 10 bit but we get a massive crop and terrible RS. They intentionally won't let you have both. However, I think enough video people will still buy the camera for a variety of reasons (glass, color, reliability, ergonomics) and I don't think it will hurt the c200 sales too greatly - they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. Now if they did the 1dx mk ii in mirrorless form (and fuill frame) and gave us clog and 10 bit - I think for many people they would prefer this to the c200, and it will hurt sales of the c200 and their profit margin, which is why I have no hope for the foreseeable future until they at least upgrade their c200.

I have no faith that the higher-end model will give us what we want. Look at the 1dx mkii. They intentionally left out clog. This camera would be amazing if it had no crop and good rolling shutter. But the problem for canon is that if they give us this camera sans crop and bad RS their sales for the c200 and c300 will suffer. I know pros who are looking at this camera as a lockdown camera and are delaying a purchase of a second c200 to see if this camera can work for them at a cheaper price point, subject to the color matching their c200. Canon are aware of this, and if they give us everything we want then they will have issues with the c200. I think these compromises are just something that we will have to live with - either you can deal with that or not, plenty of other options out there to choose from. If I am in the business of making images though I want something that produces nice images. Considering you can get 10 bit clog external - it might be enough to justify a purchase in spite of its flaws. Plus for a lot of us canon guys it is a far nicer entry point pricewise. Just get a second hand 18-35 and you are golden.

If i am going to crop I may as well shoot 4k though so not too certain if there will be any benefit for me with the crop mode in 1080p. I am still waiting for some kind of test with the rf lens with 1080p footage as against the c100 or as against a nice ef lens with an adaptor. Guess I'll wait for Andrew's review tomorrow!

Let's get back on topic: @7:50 1080p footage with the new rf lens - looks quite detailed. I am quite surprised.

@DaveAltizer has done a very nice test. I habe to disagree though after viewing the footage that the color science is largely irrelevant. I still think the Canon looked much better. If all you care about is image pick the Canon. Clog is so easy to work with and looks so nice. I can't say the same for the Sony. The skintones were off and all you have to do is look at the color of the grass in the background to see who has the more sophisticated image. Too bad for the Canon that the RS makes it unusable for everything but static shots.

If you need to color grade then raw is the preffered option. Isolating skintones even in 10 bit is not a perfect science. There is still a fair bit of blockiness. The bmpcc has a good codec but its advantage also lies in the fact that the image, sans grading, is more pleasing as regards skintones etc. This saves a lot of time in post. It also looks more filmic and has better motion cadence, that is, it is generally more like film. Whereas the japanese mirroless cameras dont have the same pedigree and in fact lean more towards a camcorder look. So i dont think codec is the only difference. This was always the appeal of the original pocket.

No, you don't understand Mattias. This one does 500 quarks while the other does 100 quarks, so as you can see you are clearly mistaken.

Thanks, the images are looking great.

@Andrew Reid is right. For those of us not using this as a vlogging camera the crop is workable. If the image surpasses that of its competition it is still the preferred option for many, particularly when you have 10 bit 4:2:2 external as well. But where the 4k really falls is the RS. If all you are doing is headshot interviews, then fine. But for any kind of movement it seems almost unusable. This is the first thing that should be mentioned.

This one? the 1080p outside footage looks alright actually and there appears to bee no issues with autofocus.

Link not working for me??

They intended it as a portable camera. There is pocket in the name. I compared it to other portable cameras. But your sarcasm is noted.