KnightsFan

I said at the beginning that the S6 was overpriced compared to the normal E2 and the F6. This makes much more sense, and makes it really appealing. The available frame rates and resolutions that they have been posting on FB are confusing at best. I believe that every 6k option will also be available in 4k downsamples from a 6k readout, as well as some 4k crop options. I don't know that I would ever shoot in 6k, but I guess it's a case of "if the camera can handle it, why not have the feature."

Most of my projects have been been involved in one way or another with local colleges. There are no Sony mirrorless cameras at the university equipment rooms I've frequented, just Canon DSLRs, C100's, and Blackmagics. Students, however, seem to primarily own Sony mirrorless cameras. A6500, A7, etc. FWIW, I also shot some whitewater sports for fun last year and saw primarily Nikon DSLRs among the pros there. No one had mirrorless cameras except me. So the assessment that Sony is primarily used by the "Youtube crowd" is largely accurate in my limited experience.

I dont use external recorders either. I always considered them a temporary solution to crippled internal recording. I have a CPU from 2013 and I can easily edit 8 bit h265, though it struggles a little with 10 bit from the xt3. But that is in resolve, naturally premiere is much worse. Nothing beats the convenience of an entire day of shooting on a single 32 GB sd card, then comfortably editing hours of footage off of a quiet 500 gb ssd. But naturally i see the benefit of prores, both as an easy to edit format, and as an industry standard. I would rather have both, and its really a shame that there are so few cameras that can record both internally.

I'll add to that: easy buttons! I'm with @newfoundmass. I'd prefer a camera with options: H265, ProRes and Raw all at once would be ideal. However, if I only have one internally, H265 is the best option. For one, you can easily get an external recorder for ProRes and even ProRes Raw. How many external recorders have H265?

Only Z Cam does that, haha. But seriously, it may not be the technical issue of heat or processing power. We'll have to wait and see, I suppose.

"None of the above" Honestly "price" is the only really important thing for me from the list above. Compared to my NX1, the only improvements I would want are: - 10 bit HEVC. That's why I put robust codec, though Raw is not something I'm interested in so I think that option in the poll means the exact opposite of what I mean by robust codec. - EF adapter with aperture control (which is why I put lens selection--basically all I want is to be able to adapt EF lenses and control aperture). - Less rolling shutter - Better low light - FF or at least APS-C, so I can use vintage lenses properly - Timecode sync - Higher frame rates in 4k - DC power input for external batteries or tethering Pretty much everything on the list is "nice to have but don't really care." Obviously for things like "dynamic range" and "battery life" it's important, but as long as it's on par with the average DSLR/M cameras from the last few years that's sufficient. Edit: added a few things

Yeah. Maybe they wanted to beat Sony in announcing the A7s3, but wanted to be able to change specs later on in case they get outgunned. But also, development cycles are getting a lot faster. You see it especially with software. You really have to have betas these days, or the market changes before you can finish a feature.

It's not about card bandwidth (if that's what you mean), it's a heat and processing issue. A full sensor readout still has to read all the sensor pixels, even if it then downscales to 4k. So it would be reading 5.9k at 60 fps in order to get the full field of view. The camera probably does not have the capability to read the full sensor at 60 frames per second, either because the processor is too slow, or it generates too much heat. To get a FF look, they'd have to bin or line skip to avoid reading 24MP at 60fps. So it's either keep the FOV and have binning artifacts, or crop and get fewer artifacts in the image. True. However, it seems like it is still in development to some degree. Maybe they didn't show the vent because it isn't finalized? I mean if they haven't yet decided between FF or APS-C for 4k60, maybe they aren't sure how much heat it could generate as an end product either. Total speculation, really, but I guess we will have to wait for release to know for sure.

In the updated newsshooter article, Panasonic reps said they have not yet decided if 4k60 will be cropped or full frame. https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/06/01/panasonic-s1h-full-frame-mirrorless-6k-24p/

I'd return it. The first NX1 I bought had stuck pixels that looked like that right in the center of the screen and they messed up the focus peaking. But they weren't always there either. I tested the camera maybe 5 times and only saw the stuck pixels 4 of them. There's probably some remapping algorithm to compensate for bad pixels (all cameras have them) which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. It might also be ISO dependent whether they are visible or not, I vaguely remember the bad pixels being worse at high ISO. I returned that NX1 and got a different one, which also has a bad pixel like the middle one in your 100% crops. I suppose it could be a lens problem, but it doesn't look like it, and you can easily check by trying a different lens.

I was hoping that Panasonic's new dream camera solved some of the ergonomic and logistical problems of shooting with a DSLM. Sounds like the only change from the S1 is the recording format and resolution, which is a great improvement, but not something I'm interested in paying $4k for, considering the amazing quality of cheaper cameras that are no worse ergonomically.

Depends on when it's released. Z Cam has FF 6k60 with a planned October release. But I agree with everything you say. It shouldn't be taken lightly that this thing has specs well beyond any of the competition, as was the S1 for that matter. And there are a lot of specs/features that we haven't heard anything about. Rolling shutter? Even if it gets down to ~10ms that would be huge over other FF cameras. How about timecode? Or something as simple as two 1/4-20 holes on the bottom? Nikon is the closest so far, with a 1/4-20 and a locator pin. What if they add a mini XLR like the P4k? A DC power input would streamline a rig. I know most of those probably won't be present, but it's worth waiting to see before dissing it. 6k might be a headline feature, but I'm more interested in the multitude of little things that would make my life easier.

@DBounce the z7, a7rX, and s1r are high MP models, higher than most photographers need. Same as with more videocentric models, they have relatively special purpose, lower demand, so a higher price compared to the base model.

Regardless of what is professional or not, the point was simply that DSLR-style cameras with more video-oriented features are more expensive than their photography counterparts, so it seems likely that this new Panasonic camera, if it is an "S1s," will be priced above the S1. Whether anyone uses it for hobby, weddings, family gatherings, or as an A cam on the Avengers, it's unlikely that it will be the same or equal price to the S1, even if it has only 20 MP. I'm not sure how that led to whether GH5's were professional.

By "serious" I mean people (perhaps on a budget) who want video features like NDs, timecode, and shutter angle instead of a shutter speed. I don't mean Varicam customers, and I certainly don't mean Michael Bay. I have a feeling it is not a Sony sensor, just as a guess. Panasonic might be trying to distance itself from Sony now that it has a direct competitor.

Any gear aimed at serious video people will be more expensive due to lower demand. I think S1r pricing is approximately accurate.

Native 6k resolution sensor would be amazing for film and most photography. If they have IBIS, i hope they include the high resolution sensor shift found in the S1 for those occasional high resplution photo needs.

Incremental improvements are not "game changing." However, a marketing department accurately representing how much better the new product is would also be game changing. I guess it's kind of a double or nothing statement.

Definitely. I just tried putting a tracking marker on my arm and removing it. It utterly failed to replace the tracking marker with skin--and instead replaced that patch of my skin with the wall behind me! Like I said, not great results, but it's pretty fun to play with.

I've never used mocha before. I have a feeling that the Resolve feature will be most useful for tiny objects in the far background that aren't super noticeable anyway, because so far I'm not getting anything really good out of it.

Has anyone else tried out the new object removal tool? I'm experimenting with it today and it's really fun so far. The results aren't great yet, so I'm trying to learn what scenarios it works for and where it fails.

Same. I would think a usb c drive would be cheaper and more flexible than most sdi or hdmi recorders out there as well?

I'm not giving a pass to Fuji, just saying what I see. It could be the lens for sure. It's definitely not as sharp as the studio image.

The rock climber picture is a little softer and has some sharpening artifacts it seems. The glitter woman looks better. With a CFA, the sensor won't resolve 100 MP though, and lenses don't have a sharp falloff in resolving power. Saying a lens resolves x lp/mm doesn't mean it won't resolve any finer details than that. It's estimating a complex curve with a single number--and that's not even taking into account the resolution being different across the area of the image. Furthermore, resolution between two components in a system isn't a Min() function, it's multiplicative. Even if the lens is the "limiting factor" based on the lp/mm number, a higher resolution sensor will still increase the overall resolution of the system. So yes, it's true that better lenses could increase the resolution with the same sensor, but it's also true that more MP will increase the image with the same lens. Edit: and to be fair to the rock climbing picture, atmospheric haze definitely softens an image in those conditions, and the climber herself is moving so there's going to be some motion blur.

That's awesome. I can't wait for 100 MP video to be streamed over fleets of 7G directly into my VR headset so I can watch movies like this from bed. True, but in real use I like the sensor to outresolve the lens, so the lens acts as an OLPF or anti aliasing filter. Optical imperfections add character, digital imperfections mess up the image. Unless you need to actually resolve 100 million individual dots in which case... wow.