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Hopefully they fix that for you, because it really doesn't make sense to limit it to certain modes.

Forgive me because I've been terribly sick and am just waking up, but the rolling shutter only seemed really noticeable when dynamic range was on. For everything else it looked fine.

The S5 auto focus isn't that bad, really. The biggest issue it has is when the subject is moving forward, which you would actually think was one of the easiest things for it to do. When in a scenario like that it can be quickly remedied with back button focus, but it's not a smooth transition obviously, but for my wrestling filming it really doesn't matter, people don't notice the quick pulsing to fix the focus. For other stuff, I do manually focus in those situations, though. For me, why I'd choose the S5 over anything pre-A7III, is the image, the colors (Sony has come a long way since then, but I hate that era of Sony color science), no recording limits on 4K 30P (a big deal for event videographers), no overheating, the IBIS (again huge for event videographers), the video assist features, etc. Plus there are the things I've never actually even used, but could if I wanted, like adding an external recorder and recording RAW. That's a lot of bang for your buck for under $1000 and with it's only real weakness being the auto focus (and the crop in 4K 60, though that has never bothered me.) The Z6 though is more of a closer battle, and Nikon entices me more than any other camera company right now as they've made huge leaps forward in their video offerings and, with the recent firmware update, are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at video users. Still, the Z6 had some quirks that just didn't make it an option when I jumped to full frame. If I was making the jump today though the Z8 would be very tempting, especially at the used prices.

Possible sign the A7C III is coming?

My hope, and it's very unlikely, is that Panasonic releases a video camera similar in shape to the C100. I used the C100 today and was reminded of what a joy it is to use. I don't know why Canon abandoned that form factor for their lower end cameras, but it really was perfect. Great to use handheld and on a tripod. It is interesting how worried people are about Lumix when the S1R II has had the opposite effect on me. I think it's the best sign we've gotten in years what Lumix's direction. Certainly though, they need to address those who are nervous about their future and should, as I continue to say, be more transparent and keep folks updated. I know that's not something big corporations tend to do, but they aren't in a great position and need to change the way they do things to reassure their users while also trying to attract new ones.

I really don't think there's a better camera under $1,000 than the Lumix S5. 24mp for photos is enough for me most of the time, and the footage is really, really nice, some of the best I've ever worked with. It's capabilities are pretty much unmatched for the price. I'd also add the GH5 and G9 as really great values. You can get the GH5 for around $600 and if you know what you're doing you can still get great images from it. The GH6 is also under $1,000; that's a lot of pro features for a camera under $1000 and is only a few years old! I've heard it's better than the S5ii X and I think the S5ii X's AF is very good.

I love Emanuel because even though i can't understand 70% of what he says, I can tell from what I do understand and how long his posts are that they are pretty thoughtful. Haha My friend, maybe speak in your native language? That might help, I think we can translate it can't we? Maybe that's an option we can add of this forum?

I get your point and hell, I'd consider a used camera for less money even if it wasn't in mint condition! But we can't expect any camera company to price a camera based on what the used prices are, you know? $3300 is still a competitive price and if the Z8 stays at $3400 I suspect we'll see the price edge downward by the fall, along with bundles to make it even more enticing. There are also ways in which the Z8 is a "worse" camera, too, like IBIS, auto focus, cinema assist tools, etc. It doesn't even feel right to call one camera "worse" than the other though, haha, because in the big picture both are really great cameras.

Agreed. For a new camera you can't beat the value. It's not really fair to hold used prices against it, either. Is Lumix supposed to price it to match the R5 or Z8's used prices? I don't fault anyone that decides to buy those instead, but Lumix can't control that.

The S1H is a camera you could buy used today and it'll still hold up 5 years from now, similar to the S5. Both of those cameras have such a lovely, organic image. And as @MrSMWnoted, the auto focus isn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be once you learned how it works. It's a reminder of how fortunate we are that cameras released 6 years ago are still able to hold up to cameras released today.

I don't mind the S5 II design. It's not a beautiful camera, but from a functional standpoint it's highly customizable and it feels natural/intuitive to operate. My only real complaint about the body is there isn't a lock to stop me from accidentally changing settings, especially when it comes to ISO and shutter angle. I have gotten used to it, but when I have others filming they often accidentally change one, the other, or both. That is one of the most exciting things I saw about the S1R II for me, as dumb as that sounds. The only real problem I really have with them standardising bodies is I suspect it might be why the S1R II has overheating issues despite active cooling. I think it needs a larger body to help with heat management due to the larger sensor. If that is the end result, then it will be a net negative no matter how much it saves on manufacturing. In terms of looks none of the camera companies out there really do it for me, outside of the more retro looking releases. Fuji and Nikon, with those more retro looking releases, are my favorite. But the look of the camera really doesn't impact my enjoyment that much. I enjoy using my Lumix cameras and love what I get out of them. It'd be cool if I looked a little more stylish while using them (lord knows I can use all the help I can get!) but it's not a deal breaker!

One thing that I hate about living in a small rural state is that we don't have very many camera shops, and the ones that we do have don't really deal in used stuff. For someone like me MPB and KEH are godsends, because I've had bad experiences with Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist, and eBay. It's nice to be able to sell my stuff, get a pretty fair price, and be able to purchase used stuff that has a warranty. I do always get jealous though when I see you all talk about going to local shops and finding deals!

That's why I really don't put any stock in those YouTubers. Even if they weren't getting flown out on trips or given free stuff, they have an incentive to stay on the companies good side because they get tons of views for their channels. Unfortunately it's part of the marketing game these days, and so I begrudgingly applaud Lumix for at least casting a wider net and getting non-Lumix YouTubers to promote it. That's good for the system. Still, we shouldn't discredit those who've taken the camera, used it in professional settings, gone in depth working with the images, and have been overwhelmingly positive. I suspect as more professionals get the camera in their hands and use it it will be viewed very well. I'm really not trying to come off as a Lumix fan boy, there are things that I don't like (I won't complain about the overheating issues again, as anyone that reads my posts knows my feelings on that haha) but as someone who has been nervous about Lumix I see this release as a positive step and am, for the first time in a while, excited about what comes next and am relatively hopeful. It was a hard couple of years there, but we're seeing progress being made.

There's a lot of that and it's frustrating. It's why I keep going back to the people who are using it on actual shoots. So far I've heard how much of a let down the camera is by people who haven't used it, while the professionals I have seen use it are filled with praise. If real photographers, filmmakers and colorists are all saying great things about the camera, maybe it's not so doom and gloom? I mean, at the end of the day, all we've gotten is: Specs. A couple dozen YouTubers who wouldn't know how to put a camera through it's paces if their life depended on it, who are saying mostly positive things. A small handful of professionals who have used it in a professional setting, who are also saying mostly positive things.

People were pretty hysterical about the Lumix S9 when it was first announced. Now it's a relatively popular camera that people have decided is underrated. Even non-Lumix users bought and use it. If you look beyond the influencer noise and listen to what professionals are saying, they're all praising the S1RII. I know it's easy for them to be drowned out by the dudebros who were flown overseas and then flooded YouTube with videos of them listing the specs excitedly interspersed with shitty JPEGS and slow motion clips they took, but they are out there and have good things to say. Among other things, Manny says he doesn't have fun using his other cameras (he is a Sony and Canon shooter) but he actually has fun using the S1RII. He wants to put it through its paces more, but after using it on a shoot he has a lot of good things to say. Cam Mackey set up a shoot with it and showed how he worked with it in post. It sucks that so many people make videos ABOUT cameras, as opposed to making videos WITH the cameras and then giving their opinions on what using them is like.

I've had really good experiences with MPB here in the United States, with my most recent purchase being last month when I picked up one of the Lumix primes I was missing. I've pretty much given up on buying from Marketplace, eBay, etc. because of bad experiences, and MPB and KEH both at least offer warranties. I've also had the opposite experiences that some have had, where I'll send something in rated at one thing only for them to rate it higher and pay me more than quoted. Other than MurtlandPhoto, have these bad experiences been in Europe? I wonder if they are overstretched? Looking at their site, for example, they say they've added 4305 pieces of gear in the last week. I'm not even sure how you would look over and photograph 4000 pieces of gear in a week without an army of people. It might be a situation where they've grown too fast? They advertise a lot these days. Either way, it stinks that it has happened to you all.

For Pannyboy it's a step in the right direction at least! I hate the game, but more Sony, Canon, and Nikon shooters saw Lumix related content that they normally wouldn't see. Whether that persuaded any of them into giving Lumix a shot or not is unknown, but it's a start and it shows that they realize they need to move beyond the bubble and try to attract users to their system. I get the frustration and criticisms, especially when they were leading the way in innovation for so long, but it's still a quality release that is pretty aggressively priced. As a user myself who is constantly looking at the big picture, especially when it comes to a systems longevity, I'm cautiously optimistic for the first time in a while. For the better part of 15 years Lumix has done right by me. Most of those years were great, and totally changed the way my business was run and how I work. In recent years they've struggled; the delay between the GH5 and the GH6 was a frustrating period with subpar releases and mostly silence. They're taking steps to address that, though, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I think people are being a lot more pessimistic than they need to be about this release and Lumix's future in general. As much as I am loathe to admit it, YouTubers are a big part of marketing these days and tons of them either went on the trip to Norway or were sent a camera to review, including prominent Sony, Canon, and Nikon shooters. Virtually all of them made positive videos about it. That's a move in the right direction, as far as marketing goes. The real professionals who did use the camera, including in real professional settings, were all extremely positive and compared it favorably to the competition while marveling at the price. It's a high resolution stills camera with excellent video features. A total 180 from what the original S1R was. Given what folks are saying and anecdotal evidence available, they seem to have things coming down the pipeline. They could be better at conveying that to us for sure, but there are enough hints out there. See: the new monitoring app. As someone that was very doom and gloom about Lumix for a while there and who still sometimes scratches his head about decisions they make, these are all positive steps. It's almost March. There are 9 months left in the year. Lets see what happens.

Currently watching Hugh Brownstone's video. He isn't someone I'd consider a shill at all. He seems very excited about it. He's very thoughtful. Says it compares well to the A7RV.

Vistek used it on a real shoot, using it both for photo and video. Has a lot of good things to say and actually put it through it's paces.

I consider The Hybrid Shooter to be unbiased and he is very happy with the camera. He is, though, what his name suggests: a hybrid shooter, so this is kind of a camera made for him.

It's bad for a camera, especially one that has active cooling, to overheat, yes. Is it a deal breaker? That's up to people to decide for themselves. But a camera should be able to reliably perform in every mode that is offered. I think going the S9 route, where it has a limit by default for more taxing modes, and then giving people the option but a warning to get rid of the limits, was a better way to handle it.

This is one of those instances where it feels like Lumix is damned if they do, damned if they don't. They gave their high resolution stills oriented line a huge video upgrade, holding back very little, and it's still not enough to satisfy a lot of folks. This is a very capable video camera for a camera that is meant for still/hybrid shooters. The only thing that is unacceptable to me, and it's a very big thing, is the overheating.

I've used all of those actually! I built a live streaming business with the Sony PXW-Z90 almost 8 years ago. It was the best option at the time, because of the SDI connection that we could output to our switcher. Originally I wanted to use GH5 bodies but I wasn't confident in HDMI or the HDMI to SDI process in a fast paced sports environment. Locking SDI to SDI seemed like the way to go. Plus every other mirrorless option at the time, minus Lumix, had overheating issues so they weren't an option. The Panasonic AG-DVX200 was also briefly considered, but at nearly $5000 each it just wasn't gonna happen. I really liked the PXW-Z90 at the time. Today though, it's not good enough in low light for event coverage, in my opinion. Today the footage LOOKs video-y, with poor colors, roll off, and dynamic range. They're still used by my old company, and for several other smaller pro-wrestling companies, and I just don't think the footage looks very good compared to what you can get from even a low end mirrorless camera these days. I rented a FZ2500 when I was considering it as B and C cameras to my GH5 years ago. Not bad, but the G85 bodies I was using were still better. Gimme a power zoom I can buy once and use on whatever new Lumix body I upgrade to in the future and I'll be a happy camper.

I don't think the features are what people consider innovative as much as the overall design. I don't think they'll end up selling too many of these. I would certainly never buy one, though I very much appreciate the overall aesthetic. But I don't like only having internal storage or the missing features.