newfoundmass

Didn't Andrew say something about the Canon M50 being a solid 16mm video camera? Edit: he did! It doesn't nail all your requirements but...

That's an exception, not the rule.

Why must we always respond in extremes? The camera is the least of my concerns, it's the SYSTEM that I take into consideration more than anything. A camera is like a car, it immediately loses value the second you buy it. That's something you have to accept. If you don't view your cameras, lenses, audio gear, etc. as investments that's OK, but I do because they play a vital role in how I make the bulk of my living. For me, running a small business, it does not make sense to remain invested in a system that isn't going to be around in 5 years. I'm jealous of anyone that doesn't have to take that into consideration, but I do because I'd like to maximize what I can get out of one investment when it's time to make a new one. Like I said in a previous post, I'd be happy with the GX85, G85 and GH5 kit I've put together if I didn't have to worry about my M43 gear losing value. If a lens I paid $950 for ends up being worth $200 5 years from now because the system is dead, but I could've gotten $500 if I'd sold it a year or two earlier, that's $300 less I have to invest in my business. That might not be much for some but it is for a small business like me and it's something I must take into consideration. I wish we could stop looking at things in black and white, and accept that others aren't in the same position as us when mocking the decisions they feel they need to make.

I wonder if the retail price for cameras over the last year or so has made people reconsider buying used? As great as they were, most folks simply aren't in a position to drop $3500 or more on the A7siii or S1H, especially during a pandemic. The truth is you can create your vision with pretty much any camera that has been released in the last 5 years (or older if you don't care about 4K!), or at least get close enough that you're willing to forgo the latest gear in favor of value. It might be hard to find a $200 camera that can do 4K and has a M43 or bigger sensor, but the fact that you can find one in the $300-350 range, and it's not that far off from what you need to spend $2000 or more for, is a pretty huge deal. The GX85 I bought for a bargain still holds its weight and if it weren't for my concerns with the M43 system as a whole I'd be prefectly fine using it with my G85 and GH5 for years to come.

That's gonna end up much higher. I've heard those are incredibly popular on the second hand market.

I'm guessing with the Olympus sale users are trying to grab up Olympus gear out of fear it won't be around much longer. I know a lot of M43 users that have exclusively Olympus glass even though they shoot Panasonic.

I'm supposed to get my first dose of the vaccine this week so here's hoping we're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. 🙏🏻

I wish Olympus had gotten rid of recording limits. That was always the deal breaker for me 😞

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174676154415 $212.50 but with 2 days left. It is quite insane that they were giving those away for like $150 at one point.

Stacked sensors means better low light?

RED cameras are a chore to use.

I got my GX85 for for well under $200 after selling the cheap Olympus zooms that came with it. I'm actually quite surprised how well the value of Panasonic cameras have held. You can get $450 for a used G7 body only, which is wild when you consider its been on sale for the last 2 or 3 years with two lenses for under $600. The GX85 is arguably the best value out there on the second hand market if you're in need of 4K though the prices have gone up since I bought mine. The IBIS is clutch! The Zcam E1 is quite difficult to find here in the US used. And the Yi M1 is more expensive than some of the GX85 on eBay! Cheapest is $380! I remember the M1 being rubbish even though it used the same sensor as the GH4.

What they're doing is very interesting. I've yet to use one myself, though I've heard it's a bit rough around the edges when it comes to OS and some reliability. I think they need to streamline their naming convention and have more than just a Facebook group for promotion and support. That stuff is a bit confusing / makes the overall system unwelcoming given the attitude many people in their group have to anyone that doesn't praise absolutely everything about the cameras. I see people getting talked down to regularly when just asking genuine support questions.

That's a beefy boy.

Now you're just grasping for straws. Early in the pandemic Vermont enacted social distancing, such as closing down schools and restaurants, limited all businesses (including Walmart) to selling just basic necessities, enacted strict contract tracing and testing (which is why one of the least populous states had the 7th highest rate of tests given in the county), and restrictions were only loosened based on what the data said. Add that the state has one of the best health care systems in the country and one of the healthiest populations, and even YOU should be able to figure out why the state is considered the model for the rest of the country. The Governor is a Republican, by the way. Some of them don't think following the advice of experts is a political issue! Weird, huh? I'm not from Massachusetts BTW. Born and raised in Vermont.

Not at all, otherwise I wouldn't have linked right to the article discussing it. They literally created quarantine centers where hundreds of thousands of people were made to quarantine, which contradicts your original point. Instead of acknowledging that fact you've decided to try and play semantics which doesn't even help your argument anyway. I don't even need to push a "Vermont narrative", the facts and statistics speak for themselves.

I suppose there could be SOME commonality image wise between cameras using Sony sensors but I think it'd be fairly minor given how much else goes into it all. I don't really notice a "Sony look" in cameras that use their sensors personally, and certain cameras have gotten truly amazing results using Sony sensors. I do though think it's imperative that other options are explored as relying on a competitor to produce all your sensors seems like a bad idea long term. I imagine it all boils down to cost but Blackmagic has the right idea if they're having sensors tailored to their camera designs like they did with the Ursa 12K. I'm not sure how viable that is in sub $10,000 cameras but I think the sensor technology they went with is one of the most interesting things about that camera and how it could impact the industry as a whole.

I suspect something is coming, since PhotoJoseph hints at the end of this video saying the M43 story isn't over and to stay tuned. Given he's a Lumix ambassador it might mean something (or nothing) but it'd be a bit strange if he just randomly re-edited this 4 year old live stream video about M43 for the heck of it.

The media you consume might be saying that but it doesn't match the reality that I live in every day. And people are going outside in nature. Last summer bikes were difficult to buy in stores because there was a rush of interest in biking and used bikes were selling for much higher prices than usual for the same reason. Here in Vermont it has been difficult to find snow shoes for the same reason. They've been telling people it's fine to do this since last spring.

If someone hasn't left their house for nearly a year they've probably got issues that extend beyond the "paranoia hysteria" that came with the COVID-19 pandemic. No one has suggested you don't leave your house, they've suggested you wear a mask, wash your hands, and maintain a distance of 6 feet. Regardless, you live in a country where 26 people have died of COVID-19. We're in a country where over a half a million people have died of it. It's easy to sound off and claim its paranoia when you're a world away and haven't experienced it first hand.

None of us live in a prison. None of us are slaves. If you think otherwise you lack perspective and, again, display your privilege. Those that think the efforts didn't work don't know how to read and interpret data. In the United States the states that acted quickly did significantly better than those that didn't. The top ten states that had the lowest number of infections per million all faired better than the states that didn't, regardless of the size and population, because they mandated masks, limited gatherings, put caps on how many people can be in stores, etc. This idea that it didn't save lives is absolute fiction. Take a look for yourself, you can sort everything by the numbers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Countries like Vietnam faired much better because those countries have always practiced things like wearing masks because they've experienced outbreaks before. Even before the pandemic you'd see many people wearing masks in public in Asian countries. People point to these countries and make foolish statements like "Vietnam didn't have to live in a prison" without even looking into what they actually did do. Firstly Vietnam set up quarantine centers where hundreds of thousands of people were forced to quarantine. Secondly if you actually look at what those countries did, you'd realize that most of it was the same stuff people here in the US and Europe complain about: aggressive testing, aggressive contact tracing, and quarantine. Source: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-vietnam In short, aside from using false equivalency, you really have no clue what you're talking about and simply read stuff from other people that also don't know what they're talking about and then repeat it.

There are fewer things I hate more than false equivalency. You've confirmed everything I've said though, so thanks?

There are fewer things I hate more than false equivalency. You've confirmed everything I've said though, so thanks?

I know over a dozen video professionals that work full time that use Sennheiser G3 or G4 systems every day. I think they'd disagree with you re: whether they're professional pieces of equipment. Do major films and television commonly use them? No. But only a fraction of the users on this board fall into that category and those that do aren't going to be asking this question in the first place. When someone does it's safe to assume they're indie filmmakers/documentarians/event videographers looking for gear that will work for that purpose and fit their budget. When your focus is sound and that's what you do professionally you work with better equipment and have higher standards. The thing is, those are specialized needs that most people can't afford or simply don't need. When I shoot an interview I don't need a sound specialist with thousands and thousands of dollars of sound equipment. A $500 wireless system with a $200 lav is more than enough, and frankly maybe overkill, for something that will air on the local news or be on the internet. Not everything that doesn't meet your standards can be considered trash. The G3 and G4 are great systems, used the world over by professionals every day. I think the OP will be very happy with them should be choose them over the Sony and vice versa.

One of the ugliest aspects of this pandemic has been the reminder of the sense of entitlement so many people have. It was always there but it's really been hitting us over the head every day since the pandemic began. Selfishness has been deemed "freedom" and any attempt to reel in such selfishness has been labeled "tyranny." It's to the point where people compare, without even the smallest bit of irony, that it's equal to slavery. Mind you they make these statements on their phones and computers, with minimal restrictions on what they can say (depending on the platform), while living in their nice homes, driving their nice cars, eating in restaurants, and enjoying most of the other wonderful perks that comes with modern technology and society. You know who don't have any of that? Actual slaves. And they exist today, not as these privileged people complaining, but as human beings forced to live in squalor, void of any rights, and forced to work for nothing. The minor inconveniences you've had to live with this last year is still better than anything those people have ever experienced. So yeah, people's insistence on comparing the efforts to combat COVID-19 to slavery is not only dumb but insulting to those that have experienced genuine slavery or whose ancestors were slaves. All of that should go without saying and yet here we are. Embarrassing.