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Even for bloggers though, 5 minutes is way too short. Or getting video of your kid playing soccer.

The only issue with getting a Windows system is that @Anaconda_ might be a FCPX user. I've considered building a Hackintosh (or finding someone to make one for me since I've never done it before) for my next system. I know the rumor is that, with Apple bringing processor manufacturing in-house, Hackintoshes might not be possible in a few years, but with Apple not having released a iMac upgrade in over a year (and iMac Pros are way out of my budget) and the latest MacBook Pro having issues with keyboards, etc. the ability to have a Mac with better specs than anything Apple has available and for a fraction of the price is a very tempting thing, even with some of the issues with system updates.

GH5 IBIS really is good, I don't think you'll really miss out much compared to the G9 in that department.

Probably not. That's a ten year old graphics card and it's only a dual core processor. HOWEVER you may be able to have OWC upgrade the processor and graphics cards for a couple hundred dollars.

Chris and Jordan got the overheating warning after 2 minutes and it shut off completely after shooting off and on after 8 minutes ?

Yeah I wouldn't expect a GH6 until 2020 at the earliest. I also think the A7S III could also be a year or more away. Usually there's some info in the months leading up to a camera's release that gets leaked and so far there has been nothing. That'd seem to indicate to me that, at the earliest, it'll come out the winter of 2019 but even then I'm quite skeptical. Honestly there's not really much of a reason not to get the A7 III, A7S II, G9, GH5s or the GH5 right now. I know we all kinda get gear lust and want the latest gear, but all of those cameras, and indeed most of the cameras in use today, all will be perfectly good tools for years to come. I personally would probably not get the G9 if my primary use is for video given there are more video centered options available, however it's still very much a capable video camera that will shoot beautiful 4K for years to come.

I guess I'm not understanding why you'd get the camera because of it's lighter weight only to then add a monitor, which then negates its lighter weight?

BMD would KILL to "miss the mark" like the GH5 did ha ha.

The camera hasn't even been released! Who knows how good the auto focus will be? What'd you expect from BMD? And Panasonic missed the mark so badly with the GH5 that it won camera of the year awards and seems to have sold really, really well. ?

Based on Sony's current mirrorless offerings there definitely does seem to be a tech barrier. You're right. For some reason I thought it only had HD. I could've sworn Max Yuryev went to the premier and that it could only shoot 1080p and didn't have s-log. Again though, it is a camera marketed for photography with features that appeal to photographers, specifically double in burst mode which isn't a minor difference for photographers. They were also released almost a year apart. We'll see. Again we have no real idea what to expect, but I think it's a taller order than you think to record 4K 60p internal unless there is a major breakthrough in the processing. That MAY be why it's been in development for longer than people expected? I think it's very possible, even likely, that it outputs 4K 60p but internally? Who knows. I feel like you put way too much emphasis on 60p and auto focus. I think @Shirozina makes a good point, I think 10 bit and a higher bit rate is just as important to many shooters.

Bless your heart @wolf33d, you're a very optimistic person! I kinda doubt the A7S III will have internal 4K 60p unless they have some giant breakthrough in processing to prevent overheating. I think people really don't understand how big of an achievement it was that the GH5 was able to do this in camera and implement it so well. It's not an easy feat in such a small body. And the FS5 mk II is relevant because it was just announced, is a professional cinema camera, and didn't include 4K 60p. There's more of a reason to include it in that camera than there is for the A7S III. The A9 is a stills camera that has basic video features. It's not marketed for hybrid and video shooters, which should be apparent given it only does 1080p. Comparing its video features to the A7III doesn't make sense. Part of the reason people are drawing blanks on what Sony could have in store for the A7S III is because there's a limit to what they can do based on the tech. They already push their cameras to the limit given the tech in them, so it feels like, to achieve a lot of people's requests, they're going to need to have some kind of breakthrough. It's reasonable to expect that they have something big, but how big and what the implications could be are completely unknown.

No need to be rude.

I will never forgive phone makers for allowing video to be shot in portrait mode.

I'm going to guess they mean 50% lower than competing companies like SLR Magic maybe?

Never purchased a used CAMERA from Adorama, but I've purchased used lenses, mics, etc. from them (and B&H) and have never had a problem. They're a great company, from my experiences, and often have nice little deals. I will say I'm partial to B&H as when I purchased a used lav mic from them and received it, I had to add padding to the battery door because the door wasn't pushing the battery down hard enough to power on the mic. While not a HUGE deal, since it worked still, I figured I'd return it and just buy a new/different one. They told me to keep it, refunded my money, and I bought a new one, giving me two of the same mics which was great because I intended to buy a second lav mic anyway once I'd found a decent one!

We have, we're just not interested in paying double the price for it!

Twice the price? No. $2,000? Yes. I'm really that not obsessed with auto focus.

$ Literally the only reason. It really wouldn't surprise me to see the A7S III released next summer, next fall or even in the early winter of 2020. I mean, why not? People were already speculating early in 2017 that it'd be announced / released by the end of the year. A year later, nothing. And as crazy as it sounds, a lot of the people going bananas for the A7 III (and rightfully so) are going to go right out and buy the A7S III, unless they really don't have something big (which almost seems inconceivable at this point.)

I absolutely agree. They NEED to improve it, it's what the market wants and demands, but man is it wild to see how dismissive people are of it now as a camera. I see myself happily shooting with mine for the next several years.

Look at a film like 28 Days Later. Shot on the Canon XL-1 in 2002 it made 86 million at the box office and is a critically acclaimed film. Not bad for a film shot on a "prosumer" camera. Imagine what they could've done today using any number of cameras under the $2,000 mark! Given a whole new generation of filmmakers have grown up and learned on these cameras, it's inevitable that we're going to start seeing successful features shot with this level of gear. While cinema cameras will never go away (nor should they), especially the higher end ones that are engrained in Hollywood and show business culture, it's exciting to think about what the future holds for filmmaking. And I say that as someone that really has no interest in narrative filmmaking personally, as far as shooting it.

You know we're spoiled by auto focus and low light performance when people are so dismissive of the GH5. It really is an incredible camera, a true achievement in camera development. I apologize if that makes me sound like a fan boy, but it really is.

It wouldn't make sense because so many people that shoot on those cameras started on DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras before moving onto higher end cinema cameras. If you're able to get equal results with a DSLR style body that you could get from their cinema camera line, and you're used to / comfortable with using that style of camera, why would you bother? I look at it like this: in 2000 the local production house I got my feet wet in shot with the Canon XL-1, which was a $5,000 camera. They had 4 of them. That was a $20,000 investment. Want to know what they shoot with today? 4 GH4s, a $6,800 investment. According to my friend that works there they don't feel they NEED to invest $5,000 into a single camera anymore because the capabilities of these little cameras are so good and while they could easily afford nicer cameras, given they work with tons of big clients around the state, why bother? The dynamic changed 10 years ago, and so did a lot of people's mentalities. If the DSLR revolution hadn't kicked off production companies like the one I started at would still be dishing out $5,000 for a camera, no doubt. But the key is they don't have to. These cinema lines need something to differentiate themselves, it's integral to their marketing. While a giant Hollywood blockbuster will never be shot on these little cams, it seems inevitable that eventually a pretty big motion picture will be shot with one of them. Hell, we got respected filmmakers releasing films shot on iPhones now! And have we forgotten features were shot on Mini DV less than 15 years ago?

What's the longest someone has recorded with it before it exploded into flames? Ha ha

I am not sure how / why they'd put 4K 60p internal into the A7S III when they didn't / couldn't with the FS5 II. Same with 10 bit. The A7 III really makes this a head scratcher, in terms of what they can pull out of their hat. I'm guessing that's the delay; one, letting the A7 III sell a ton and two, putting in the extra development time to make it a worthwhile successor. They have to have SOMETHING planned. But what? Some of these ideas people are throwing around sound too fanciful / unrealistic, but at the same time, what else could justify the increase in cost that will inevitably come with it? Improved battery life, less overheating, better colors, and even better low light isn't going to be enough I don't think. The A7 III has made it so that the it's going to need SOMETHING big.

Also you might want to reach out to Scott McKenna. He has a severe case of gear lust, ha ha, but it has allowed him to shoot weddings with a lot of different cameras, including the A6500. He bought the A6500, after selling one of his GH5 cameras, for a lot of the reasons you've given, but ultimately sold it because of the quirks. He did a review of it for a wedding which was pretty flattering, but he pretty quickly got rid of it; I forget which video he explained it in, it was a pretty quick explanation, but it ultimately seemed like the negatives outweighed the positives. He re-purchased a GH5. Another good idea might be to rent both the A6500 and the G85, put both cameras through the ringer, and see what works best for you.