A_Urquhart

I know plenty of DP's and camera operators that own the UMP, FX9, F5, F55 etc and they all shoot solo every now and again. I have shot plenty of times with the G2 (despite not owning it) and it's is such an easy camera to work with as a solo shooter. There are also plenty of DP's that do not own expensive cameras because each job is different so investing in one camera doesn't make a lot of sense for them. That doesn't mean a camera is not relevant or popular. jahfdkjblabla, why are you now all over THREE threads about the UMP12K despite having zero interest in it? It obviously upsets you greatly.

He/She is angry that the 'RUMOURS' said that BMD would be releasing a camera with AF and IBIS, and this cinema camera doesn't have those features. Despite this, he/she keeps coming back to a thread about something he/she has zero interest to keep he/she's anger boiling. Makes a lot of sense right? To add to the confusion, many users of EOSHD and the owner of the site himself says they have every right to be angry because this is a forum for users of small DSLR like cameras and Solo shooters so AF and IBIS should be mandatory .......but then the forum owner continues to post news articles of cameras that don't appeal to his user base and the circe of anger just continues to go round and round.... I love it, it's hilarious!

Spot on. Yes this camera does 12K, and if it made many sacrifices to get that 12K then it would be silly but I'm really not seeing any sacrifices made here by Blackmagic. You can still shoot 4K and 8K RAW with no crop. You still get frame rates over 30p. You can still record to inexpensive, off the shelf media. It (most likely) won't overheat every 20 minutes. The files are seemingly very easy to work with. The only sacrifice, if you want to call it that, is the price.....but given who this camera is aimed at, $10,000 is not expensive at all. What I'm taking from this is how exciting the future from Blackmagic looks now that they are creating their own sensors, codecs and post hardware and software. I'm excited to see a Full Frame camera in a smaller form factor like a Kinefinity, Z-Cam or even C300 style body etc but with a sensor that might let me shoot 8K, 6K and 4K RAW with no crop in a fantastically flexible codec that I can work with on a laptop. What's not to like!

There is a big space between super high budget productions using Alexa and Solo shooters you are completely overlooking. Again, Canon made you the perfect camera, you said it yourself....why are you so angry right now?

You seem to be the very definition of a fan boy. Someone who thinks their way is the only way. I see that this camera doesn't appeal to many here on EOSHD, but then why get so worked up about it? I don't go on a HipHop forum and get all fired up that the Foo Fighters latest album isn't Hip Hop do I?

BMD have usually been quite open to allowing access to other NLE manufacturers their SDK's should they wish to implement them. We can only wait and see.

Alexa costs over 8x what this does and that's not factoring in all the special recording media and accessories that you need with it. This Ursa Mini records to off the shelf media you can buy at your local computer shop.

Something else worth mentioning, it would seem that BMD have made working with 12K easier than working with 8K from other manufacturers....even the same as working with 4K from others if what Grant said holds true. If you can record it easily, work with it easily ...then why not I suppose. You can always record 4K or 6K BRAW with no crop if you need. I'm the first to scoff at a resolution war because it usually comes at the expense of workflow but this seems different.

Fully agree Andrew.

EOSHD....the home for the small minded.

I'm not going to buy the camera myself, butI may suggest it to future productions that want to shoot 4K 9:16. You see, many people don't just choose one camera and shoot everything with it. Many people hire the right tool for the job when they need it. Yes, this camera is not for 98% of people here but that's ok. The Alexa mini is not for 98% of people here ....is that a waist of time camera?

With COVID, drive Ins are the only theatres still running here in Australia!

Because of there plenty of better solutions out there, for less money.....for me. There, i fixed it for you. Not everyone has the same needs as you, you do realise that don't you?

There was no way BMD were going to release a new Pocket with IBIS and Af. The 6K version has not been out all that long and is probably still selling like hotcakes. If BMD are not on the same page as you in terms of camera design, that's fine, find someone who is. It seems Canon meets your needs and that's great. I don't need 12K, I will not be buying this new camera but I like the direction the company are going especially in workflow. I will say that they need to release a FF camera soon to stay relevant. There are many DP's out there who are starting to use FF cameras and really loving them. It needs to be a completely new design though. Better design than the P6K but not as big as the UMP.

So you have a camera that you are extremely happy with and suits your needs perfectly....why are you so unhappy and aggressive right now?

I'm in my early 40's and started solo shooting 20 years ago. No IBIS, No AF......you don't need these features to be a solo shooter. You need to take the time to master the craft better. Please don't take that as me saying you are no good or I am better than anyone else, because I still have a lot to learn myself but not having AF and IBIS shouldn't stop you from shooting quality footage. Plus, Solo shooters have sooooo many cameras to choose from these days if that's what you need. BMD are not a compact camera maker like Sony, Panasonic, Fuji etc. They are more comparable to other professional arms like Sony Professional. BMD make much much more than cameras and the consumer market is not really their thing. I'll admit, 12K is lost on me although I have worked on my fair share of productions where we have been shooting 4K for 9:16 output and have needed to shoot with the camera on it's side.....major PITA! With 12K at least, we won't need to do that. This camera is not for everyone, and that's ok. At $10,000 it's attainable to many freelance DP's and the same price as the FX9. Sure, the FX9 is full frame and that is super desirable right now, but currently, the FX9 can't do 4K50/60p in FF and that's a major drawback to many. If BMD are are showing off right now and that results in super speedy workflows, improved codecs, improved colour science trickling down for me using their cameras at 4K or 6K (advancements in BRAW will trickle down Grant said) then I'm OK with that.

Agree, it's the Ursa Mini line that needs the update. I think that they could package it a little better though. The current form factor is great for the Ursa Broadcast users as it more resembles a broadcast camera. For others though, I think BMD could pack all the top end features of the G2 plus add a FF sensor into a more compact body like Red Komodo, Kinefinity, Z-Cam etc Would make it a more versatile camera for most.

Do I sense you're getting a bit snarky here? What have I said to bring this out? The Pocket series cameras make great B Cameras because they can be rigged where the Ursa Mini G2 can't and their image quality holds up well. Their downside is that they are a finicky camera to work with. It's not to do with money, it's more to do with size and using the tool that suits the job.

I've used AF on multiple cameras....The FX9 has fantastic AF capabilities but for Pro use, no one I have worked with so far has wanted to use AF capable lenses on it. Considering the price point of most of BMD's camera lineup, AF would add a fair bit of cost relative to the camera. Most people who would want AF would want it in a small mirrorless form factor (thinking Pocket4k users here) and considering the camera was what, $1100 USD on release, had they have added AF, it would have pushed the price up substantially.

AF can be good for some I suppose but then there aren't many lenses I would want to use that have AF motors. Personally, I don't want a quarter of the cost of a camera going into AF hardware and r&d. It's no where near as easy for BMD to implement a great and reliable AF system when they don't have their own lens mounts, lenses etc. And given the variety of cameras they make, one mount or AF system is not going to fit all. BMD, give me a S35 or FF sensor with interchangeable lens mounts (if not interchangeable, must be a mirrorless mount with short flange distance like Canon's RF mount), built in ND, a box form factor that is easily expandable, a good battery mount like NP-F or BP-U, a small screen/evf maybe like the FS7/FX9 that doesn't chew through batteries (i'd add an external monitor anyway) and most of us in the pro sector would be very happy. I have the Pocket4k and 6K myself and use them as B Cams to Alexa and FX9 etc but they are a PITA to work with. But then, if BMD did in fact get input from the likes of JB, I would assume we would see something far more workable than the Pockets. I said it years ago, but an URSA Micro Pro (Z-Cam like) would be great.

And the fact that it can shoot 4K BRAW.....which the 6K can't do

Not in RAW it didn't.

But how much does it REALLY matter? Why is it that the world's best DP's are happy shooting on a camera with a 3.2K image sensor that has to be UP SCALED when recording 4k like is the case with the Alexa Mini, and yet people on forums think a 4K sensor is not good enough?

Hmm, look at the tilt downs and pans ......bit of jitter in the motion. Not silky at all. Both cameras look great, if you cant shoot great images with either, you are doing something wrong. ?

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