Video Hummus

It’s the dreaded “worse is better” that pops up in every industry. Ill throw my hat into the “prefer C70 design camp”. For as much as Canon fucks up, they’ve been a real innovator this round. I love Panasonic but they seem to be unfortunately running out of steam.

Crazy the high ISO performance the latest cameras have. I actually like the R5 noise. It’s very subtle and seems to lack that digital color noise. Much more film like but only in 4K HQ. The RAW is noisy of course but cleans up really well with noise reduction from Neat Video (can’t wait to see what they can do with neural engine in M1). Of course it’s no A7SIII but I don’t need that kind of performance.

Yep. Money well spent on lighting, lens, and the training or time to master those. Camera bodies really are the least important thing for most people.

Definitely not for the price. The latest from AMD, Intel, and NVidia don’t do this well. Hopefully this changes. Apple is also part of the AV1 consortium and a big proponent and sponsor of they need codec. So, it seems Apple will have access to accelerating any modern mainstream codec from now and with new products. I think if you edit in resolve then a $1099 Mac mini along side your PC is a decent investment. I guess they are going to save the larger RAM options for 16 MBP and iMacs. Which is kinda crap. A lot of people would have paid for say a $1600 Mac mini with 32GB or RAM.

Also Confirmed: 4.2K ProRes RAW A7SIII FCP 8K HEVC R5 FCP Blackmagic RAW in Resolve Canon RAW in Resolve 10-bit files now have thumbnails and quick preview support in Big Sur (probably HEVC only) he also talks about having 16GB of RAM and opens FCP, Resolve, and Lightroom with RAW and 100MP GFX100 files

Compressed RAW will always be the preferred workflow for higher-end because it’s RAW. But until compressed RAW becomes available to the Sony and Canons and Panasonic’s of the world a whole lot of people will be shooting h265 when it becomes the preferred codec in new cinema and mirrorless cameras. R5, C70, FX6 and future models. Just as H264 became a TV production standard so will HEVC and HDR. I think sooner rather than later. And with the push for increasing resolutions lossy compressed codecs will flourish as long as their is hardware to edit it. H265 capture, edit, and delivery is here now for lower end Mac users out there. I would assume this will put pressure on PC hardware manufactures to match it. Which is a good thing. And there is nothing wrong with 10-bit HEVC as far as flexibility. It’s just the hardware hasn’t been available to make it viable. Now it’s coming.

Smaller file sizes with same quality or same file size with better quality. I think where it would come in handy is say filming a interview scene in 8K, perhaps with two people sitting together, and then just punching into the faces when they talk. No need for two cameras, etc... 8K HEVC IPB would be very nice to have if you are recording to a $600 512MB CFExpress card. It’s also great for throwing around rough cuts to be uploaded to Dropbox or whatever for review. A fast edit, export, feedback cycle. There hasn’t been a demand for it because the hardware manufactures have been so lazy to implement proper acceleration. No one is going to demand it if they can’t buy hardware to work with it.

More RAM always better if you can afford it. Looking like 13in MBP with 16GB is my next laptop. I have an R5 coming and all the heavy lifting I would do on my computer is video editing...so I’d rather pay $1,500 for a MBP then $4,000 for a fully spec out intel Mac and not be able to edit my footage smoothly without time-consuming transcoding. No background rendering required with any R5 footage in FCP on M1 Macs, even with correction and a LUT applied. Pretty amazing. Now they just need to update FCP with enhanced features like tracking and facial recognition and tracking to keep it competitive with resolve and premier.

For the FCP video editors out there: 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 HEVC from R5 with insane bitrates...not a problem 4K 60p 10-bit 4:2:2 HEVC with several corrections and a LUT applied....not a problem. Very impressive considering his $15,000 Mac Pro can’t do it.

I would wait for Apple to release their 16” MBP with apple silicon (M1X perhaps?) They will also probably offer more RAM, which I think is the biggest limiting factor with these new machines. HEVC will replace H264, there is no doubt. As resolution from FF and MF cameras increase into 6K, 8K, and above the need for HEVC will increase. But for people now, that need a machine to edit HEVC and 4K RAW then a $1000 Mac Mini is currently more powerful for that particular narrow application than a iMac Pro. Go figure. It can already handle Scarlet 5K 8:1 REDCODE no problem. It will probably handle BRAW no problem.

Except that Ryzen can’t edit HEVC 4:2:2 smoothly at all. And since we are on a camera forum, I would assume that is very important consideration for many people.

I agree with this. It’s all about what you do with it that dictates what you should buy. Both the RF and E mounts have bright futures, so you can’t go wrong much.

At $700-800 I would just try the Mac Mini to see if it works for you. From everything I have seen so far that these are absolutely awesome as editing machines. I would max out the RAM for sure though. The RAM is shared with the GPU, which explains the OK performance in games and other GPU heavy tasks. However, when it comes to editing you have to think of it differently now as there is dedicated hardware on chip that is doing the heavy lifting. The GPU and CPU essential do nothing. I am still waiting for a real world test with R5 footage before I buy MBP. Only having 16GB RAM worries me, but if it can handle decent sized 4K projects with a sprinkle of 8K footage then I’m all in. I think the harder thing is when they finally release 16in MBP with M1X or M2 and I get that itch to upgrade even though its overkill...

The thing I see this camera being really good at is slow motion in lower light conditions negating the need to auxiliary light. That is very useful for smaller productions on a budget. The AF continues to impress. I think Sony may have surpassed Canon. They are neck and neck on the Mirrorless side, but on cinema Sony performs better.

The design leaves me scratching my head. No audio input on the body at all. Not even a 3.5mm jack. They couldn’t fit that on their somewhere? XLR only through top handle. Limits use on gimbals. Makes footprint larger when its doesn’t have to be. No S35 mode. CFExpress Type A is really annoying. The industry seems to be converging on CFExpress Type B. Can’t share cards. Weird quirks with AF in S&Q mode. Annoying. Terrible menu’s. They already have better menus in A7SIII why didn’t they use that and adapt it? Annoying. Good things Image looks good with not much fuss in post. Internal e-ND amazingly useful. Amazing dynamic range. RAW output to SDI I’m not in the market for this camera but the cons sure do add up if I was. C70 with speedbooster looks overall, more attractive and practical.

I know they have the speedbooster but people in the lower end cinema camera territory would probably prefer a native FF camera. I suspect your right though.

Unfortunate side effect of YouTubing. Alex Jones sells a pill you can take for it.

Weird release. Would have much preferred an oversampled 4K image. The dual iso gains are way too far apart for a cinema camera. Full frame is great though. Canon better release a C90 FF with R5 internals.

What does the stats for nerds say the codec is on YouTube? I thought YouTube was sticking to their guns on using VP9 for 4K.

Some idiots came first. Many idiots came after the algorithm. The reasons are many. The dissemination and profiteering (by the social tech companies) is just part of the problem. The profits first approach is the cause of much destruction in the world from ecological to societal to our own mental health. I’m not a doom-and-gloomer but there are seriously dark times ahead. We are seeing even the craziest bat shit fringe bumbling up to the highest levels of society. We are seeing massive inequality in wealth breeding a tinder box of dysfunction and disillusion in everything. A reset is coming. It probably, most definitely, won’t be pretty.

Very good read about intel and Apple and the new silicon in macs. https://jamesallworth.medium.com/intels-disruption-is-now-complete-d4fa771f0f2c

Hard to tell now but i would be surprised if we dont see a major push by apple to “accelerate all the things”. It’s funny to see the traditional computer hardware and PC YouTube channels, mainly Linus Tech Tips, going all out bashing and doubting and downplaying the Apple silicon performance claims. Why? They don’t even have hardware in their hands to tell. This is the first laptop that will chew through almost any H.265 video file like butter. It is huge deal for people that use resolve or FCPX or just edit and cut video in general.

Based on iPad results. H.265 isn’t a problem.

You forgot to tell me to smash the subscribe button like a psychopath. I gotta say, I’m a bit let down and will not be buying the Ursa 12K.

This process has been happening for 8+ years. iOS and OS X have essentially merged. OS X is no more. It is now MacOS and it shares architecture more in common with iOS. Apple is the master at architecture changes. They’ve done 3 in the past 15 years. PowerPC -> Intel -> ARM. They have had universal binaries for years now starting back to the PowerPC to Intel switch. Universal binaries ship native code for both architecture in one “app bundle”. The result is native performance. For app developers that don’t recompile their code to universal will have to use Rosetta to translate the code on the fly. This sounds bad, but it ties into their “clang” JIT compiler that have been developing for years. It’s world class and one of the fastest JIT compilers in development. Apples move to Apple Silicon is very much been in play for many years and finally a return to Apple developing both hardware and software from the ground up. Which can be good and bad depending on your perspective (increased performance versus lock-in). I am quite impressed with Apple’s stead fast march from acquiring an ARM cpu chipset developer to now leading the world in designing the fastest ARM cpus out there. Fast enough to blow past even Intels best desktop CPUs at a quarter of the power and thermal envelop. Pretty amazing win for Apple and RISC-based ARM CPUs.