Video Hummus

Does ProRes RAW support more than 12-bits? All of that sounds really good. Especially S-Log 3 at 10-bit 4:2:2 at such low ISO.

Like Andrew pointed out many times. I find it hilarious Samsung had basically the R5 in 2014 and they exited the market. Are the camera companies that far behind, the margins that tight, they can’t move their tech forward? It’s going at a snails fucking pace. All it would take is for them to invest once to get their chips on the latest and smallest manufacturing nodes...embrace heat pipes and *shocking* clever heat sinks. It is a fucking conspiracy. Those people are delusional. One guy is mad because Gerald used the words “More bad news for the R5”. He’s an idiot. Tons of people with their head in the sand. It doesn’t help that people like Armando are releasing straight up misinformation about the capabilities of the camera and doing their best to downplay the overheating issues. Canon went all in marketing this as a hybrid video beast. Armando and others using it in a shooting setting more suited for EOS cinema cameras. The Sony A7SIII is going to spank this thing with the mere ability to record video after shooting 50 stills in an hour. LOL

I think the opening for the class action is that in the overheating chart they don’t mention anything about using the camera taking pictures would affect video recording by times. We don’t find the video recording and temperature limits shocking. Canon disclosed of them in that chart. What is shocking is that using it has a stills camera, even just mildly, will affect the video recording. That is not disclosed in that chart and goes against the expected behavior of the product and almost every other competing product in its class.

So looks like they did something different on the front. Tally light? A new ToF sensor? Left side looks like what is on the A7Riv (below). New white thing on the right.

It could be excusable for the R5. It’s a pro photo camera, 45MP, 8K, oversampling 4K, 4K120p. It’s beefy features in a small camera. It’s 8K! 4 times the information of 4K. Ok, it overheats. It takes processing power to a down sample the 8K to 4K. We get it. Now the R6... I think that thing has been crippled. 5K oversampled everything. Overheats, and worse doesn’t have a mode that doesn’t. It’s not like that hasn’t been done before. No excuses. A7III does 6K -> 4K24p with much more tolerable overheating limits. S1 can do it. Z6. GH5 does it with a sensor half the size but in a smaller body. R6 can probably be fixed in firmware because it’s designed to sell more R5s. It’s no wonder the narrative around the release was so tightly controlled while preorders were made. I guarantee Gerald Undone has been context by Canon and sent another camera because it must have been a lemon or one of those pre-production-but-not-pre-production-body-sample-bodies or whatever bullshit that Canon Ambassador was pulling.

Maybe Panasonic would be willing to trade the S1H “fan technology” for DPAF. Fair trade!

GH5 5.5K To 4K oversample in a smaller body, with IBIS mechanism, no external fans, unlimited recording workhorse. S1 the same. Z6 the same. Canon fucked up. Canon EOS R, mirrorless redef...overheated! shutting down. Its also possible this is all an imposed limitation. Just like their stupid missing 24p the technology wasn’t there bullshit. People go bananas and a firmware comes out and we get our 24p.

Not to mention he made an earlier video mocking all the people that were concerned about the overheating problem and down playing it say it’s being overblown... Then he goes on to make a Cinematic camera test that is half the length of his normal videos and shows BTS of using a leaf blower...yeah...lost respect for this dude.

Or it could be the yellow prototype markings on the camera. You can see one in the first photo I posted. Very highly likely this is A7SIII footage...

Does the A7III have a tally light? Here are some screen grabs in the video. There appears to be a tally light in the second photo.

All I want is the perfect camera. Oh, I agree. We need a in depth documentary about this for us camera nerds. Investigative reporting. There has to be some camera manufacture cabal somewhere deep in the bowels of a Japanese tea shop where they discuss how to make sure none of their cameras step on each other’s toes and always make sure there isn’t a complete picture (pun intended).

Wait for Gerald’s test (I think video is coming monday). If the 4K pixel binned mode looks like garbage (it kinda does from screenshots) then what’s the point? It’s a liability not an asset it your using it professionally (for video). The stills look pretty decent. Although It has very limited highlight recover. The AF is killer. Especially for people.

Amando Ferreira’s workaround for the R5. Can’t make this shit up.

🤦‍♂️lots of dopes there. I feel sorry for them.

I’ve had multiple cordless impact drivers over 15 years. The size and weight has not changed that much compared to mains powered ones.

LOL, took a scroll through the comments section of the Tilta page. Other people pointing out the obvious and some people are triggered. OK, I’ve had my fun with this. Eagerly awaiting news on A7SIII hoping we will finally get a good FF hybrid camera!

I’m extremely doubtful of any pelter cooling solution. They don’t work with PC hardware they won’t work for this. If putting your camera in a fridge at 50F for 2 hours doesn’t improve performance this thing won’t either. There is also some questions about how its powered. The fact they didn’t mention you can plug it in the camera means you now need an external battery. Which means a bigger rig. Which means you loose weather sealing on your $4K weather sealed camera. It’s clever. It looks slick. Will it work? Probably not.

I probably wouldn’t care as much if the line-skipped or pixel-binned, or whatever it is, unlimited 4K24p mode didn’t look like garbage. You have many shitty options: 1) Don’t take any photos and get about 20 mins of 4KHQ video that looks good with amazing AF 2) Take photos and loose the ability to take HQ video. 3) Take photos or video that gives your heartburn when you remind yourself you pain $4K for it. It’s really too bad the R6 overheats in its modestly oversampled recording modes. I really wanted to have a solid FF mirrorless option. Still not here.

Canon has left hanger sized doors for the competition to walk through. Can Sony do it? Panasonic has almost everything except AF with the S1H. Can they do it? Can anybody do it?

I wonder if Matti snapped any photos with this thing at all? Maybe 500 photos in 30C weather caused overheating, 300, 100, no...around 30 and your camera is bricked as far as video is concerned. That’s astonishing. A really low bar. My family and I took a a leisurely hike up one of our favorite local creeks yesterday.. I took my GH5S to snap pictures and maybe catch a kingfisher on video/photo. I took about 50 photos and about 20 mins of video total (no kingfisher this time 😞 ). The R5 would have totally shit the bed in this less than demanding outing as far as video is concerned. It’s purely a photo camera. It’s not even a hybrid in my opinion, or to be more forgiving, the worst hybrid camera. The EOS R would have performed 10x better in the situation.

I have seen 16x20 and 20x24 prints from G9 and EM1 mark 2 (20MP) and they looked amazing. Most magazines are printing 20MP photos from 1DX and A9. They look good. Obviously if you start cropping 16MP stills from the GH2 you’ll encounter problems at 20x24 More generally, 20MP photos printed properly are more than enough for those sizes. Billboards have been printed with less. It’s all about viewing distance, printing techniques and the like. This guy has experience and knows what he’s talking about. M43 is fine when doing slight crops of an original. Ok, I don’t want to de-rail the topic either. But the perception that M43 isn’t capable at all is false. Obiviously having more MP is a “nice to have” but it is far from a requirement! /rant

The fact that Matti even put a professional mirrorless camera in the fridge and then recommends it is a sign the product has problems and the “review” was bullshit.. Did he do that with his EOS R? I’m sorry but they are blowing smoke up your asses. If he did that with any other camera from another brand you know he wouldn’t recommend it. This is the problem with sponsored reviews on YouTube. They are anti-consumer.

The issue is that the marketed, heavily, the video capabilities. IF they had just marketed as the best professional photo mirrorless camera from Canon with class leading AF then I don’t think there would have been much of feeling of disgust with what they did. You don’t have to buy the camera, of course! But many people were excited with what they marketed to us and then...this. I agree. We don’t see shrinking hammers, saws, or power tools. Make the tool for the intended job! Professionals want performance and reliability. Everyone made fun of the Lumix S1/R/H for its size...well no one will complain if you show up with an S1H on set. Show up with a R5 and you’ve brought a liability not a tool. Let’s put the pieces together. Mathew Allard said not even Canon employees tasked with briefing the reviewers/press before the release knew or disclosed of the temperature limitations. He said you had to attend multiple meetings of the same presentation for different geographical areas to get the full picture. This is sloppy as hell. The specs they touted the most was 8K and 4K120p! Go back and look at the information they released. It’s very video focused. The initial “reviews” of the camera were from canon ambassadors. As more “first looks” came out, with Gordon Lang saying in his video he wasn’t allowed to talked about rolling shutter, it began to become apparent the narrative was being heavily controlled by Canon. Even has preorders were being accepted for this cameras! Not one person, besides Gordon Lang, showed or discussed the quality of the 4K24p pixel binned mode! Why did it take so long, after so many people released their “reviews”, “first impressions”, and “previews”, for Gerald Undone to completely blow the lid off the incredibly limiting and frustrating aspects of this camera after a few days having it? Using the camera outside it typical weather shooting 30-40 STILLS and then not being able to shoot ANY video Except the now, to put it lightly, sub par pixel binned 4K mode...its completely unacceptable for even a family camera! Oh! Snap 30 pictures of my dog playing in the grass...OMG the baby is taking its first steps! Switch to video...overheated can’t record! Professional kit? Don’t think so... It’s worst than a cripple hammer. Like Andrew said, its defective and maybe deceptive marketing! Everybody wanted this camera to be good. There is no bias or Canon bashing here. I wanted so bad for this camera to deliver. After Gerald told us the TRUTH, it sucks...it sucks hard.

Thank god for Gerald. Respect. Tells us exactly what the limitations are so we can make informed buying decisions. Frankly, I’m done talking about the R5/6. With this latest news they are practically useless to me. Unless things change in the future we are beating a dead horse now.

I think the G9 is even slightly better. So something that is a 30% improvement on the G9 is the minimum needed if they continue down the road with DfD. I mean in some cases the G9 is on par or better than the XT-4, which currently suffers from a lot of AF issues. If they want to shake the stigma of bad AF they need to go PDAF and have something that performs with their competition.