Video Hummus

I respect your opinion and experience here. Much like with cars, it can go fast but still be an ugly car at the end of the day. The classics always have something special about them. I guess I just don't think I value that canon "special sauce" as much as you do for the prices they want for it. I think companies like Fuji and Panasonic are creeping up in this area with competitive products. I also think the "special sauce" is a decade or more of visual bias caused by watching A LOT of media shot on Canon cinema cameras. At the end of the day I think we are all constantly seeking confirmation that we have the best tool because we spent our hard earned money on it. Especially if we spent a lot and feel threatened by newer gear. I just prefer not to feed the canon segmentation machine.

A friend has one and so I’ve had some hands on time with it. He had only EF lenses because the RF ones cost a kidney. So that is my limit with it. The auto focus was worst than the 5DmIV and as a 1080p camera it was decent. But I’m not gonna pay 2500 for that shite in 2019. Yes it has canon colors. But imo, there are other great baked in colors form Panasonic and to an extent newer Sony bodies. The touch pad is a mistake in my opinion. I was poking fun after Peter sold it as his next camera because the limitations would make him a better professional ?‍♂️. Yet he doesn’t use it for anything but stills. That’s telling. Tony says it’s a great “family cam”. OKAY. The R is not as good as Canon could do. That’s the sad part and I think this RP is the same story.

The real question is, but when is Peter McKinnon switch to the EOS RP?

Yes they were and compared to other things on the market at the time they were considered “toy” cameras and Pro wannabes. All things considered with this camera, Panasonic did a good job here. I’m mean look at the EOS R. It’s a utter trash hybrid camera. Even the Dpaf in that thing isn’t quite as good as what I’ve seen with the S. I think panasonic did a bad job here with tempering people’s expectations of this camera and what it’s aimed at. Most people want a pretty good hybrid full frame option. Panasonic at least attempted it, unlike Canon. I hope Panasonic can make this a success. Otherwise we have less and, imho, worst options out there.

And yet the Z series was also a mixed bag with reviewers as well. We are spoiled for choice these days and yet “Pros” like Tony Northrop live stream what is effectively a “sh*t post” about a camera he hasn’t touched and recommends the GH5 as an alternative camera? What? The S series is a hybrid full frame. Panasonic’s first. They did a pretty good job from what I have seen. Does everybody remember the first Sony mirrorless cameras? My god...

Correct.

As long as those companies pay Sony to package their sensor features and capabilities, Sony will always be able to deliver more spec'd out products with CMOS sensors for cheaper.

8bit correct? I thought I saw that in the next firmware they will be adding ability to unlock 4K60p 10bit 4:2:0 internal recording and you only get the 10bit 4:2:2 with external.

Well you in luck because Panasonic has awesome track record of adding features in consistent firmware updates. It’s one of the reasons I prefer to buy Panasonic over other brands. I know they’ll keep it fresh for the users.

The S1 will get it in paid upgrade for V-Log and 4K 10-bit 60p internal.

Wed photo video did a preview of it and the autofocus in video was pretty stellar looking, as in it looked like a Sony or canon camera.

The Aputure Dec device is interesting but too expensive and bulky. I just want something that looks like a speed booster that has electronic contacts on both sides for electronic passthrough and an electronic ND powered off camera batteries. doesnt canon own metsbones? They could easily do this for their speedbooster.

Not a whole lot right now. ? G9 has 20MP sensor (same as the Gh5). More robust IBIS. Pixel shift technology for ultra high MP photos (80MP) for static scenes. It’s a GH5 Tweaked a bit for just photos. It still takes great video but has a recording limit. I was suggesting Panasonic shift the GH line to be video centric and keep the G line photo centric. As I believe the strength of M4/3 is in video and it’s less compelling in photos. Unless Panasonic can deliver a high megapixel sensor with good enough low light to be compelling against full frame. People want that shallow depth of field in their photos now and m4/3 is just not going to do it out of the box. They are the better street camera in my opinion though. Smaller lenses means more discreet. I would like to see Panasonic move the GH6 in the same direction as they moved the GH5S. Less but bigger mega pixels for better low light. Dual ISO. Internal ND ? HDMI type-A out. Kinda like what Sony does with the A7sii versus the A7Rii. Tune the M4/3 format for video capture. They obviously think full frame is the future for their photo professionals. A GH6 with a fixed 16MP sensor that super-samples 16MP down to a final 10MP 4K image for added noise reduction and killer electronic stabilization (GoPro 7 levels and better). The cinematic pros can flip a switch and turn off “IBIS” and have their fixed sensor and 5K anamorphic modes. Improve the dual iso performance. Include next generation DfD AF. Support 4K 120p without a crop. Better codecs, better flip screen, better weather sealing. Offer a better ND solution (internal or via adapter). Anything is better than screw on lens NDs. That’s a great gimbal but on the heavy side. A Moza Air Cross 3 is a nice, light feature rich gimbal that I would recommend. I wish DJI would release a Ronin-S mini or something.

A GH5S + a light gimbal (I’ve had my eye on Icecam Vision 3; anyone have experience with it?) is a killer combo that does almost everything well except maybe extreme DOF and if you need that then a speedbooster will fix it. In my opinion you can’t beat the versatility of a good m4/3 camera for video like the GH5(s) series. Almost any lens can be adapted to it. It offers a great balance between DOF and lightness/size of lenses and, when you need it, can be adapted to get the look you want. Every time. panasonic would do well to recognize this and deliver the GH6 as a full fledged video monster. Forget the photo quality. The G9 is better in that regard.

Wow, I can’t believe Olympus dropped the ball on this one. This was their chance to prove they could pack enough compelling features into a M4/3 camera to justify the price point of $3000. If they had electronic ND, 4K/60p and amazing IBIS it would have a chance in the video world. Everybody wants the Pro full frame look now in photos. It’s over. If Panasonic doesn’t release a killer M4/3 camera with these features then I’m afraid GH5S will be the last m4/3 camera I buy. I’ll give up sensor size for compelling features any day. Stop adding compelling features....what’s the point.

Consumers might have 8K TVs but how many will be playing 8K content on them? It’s not the screen sizes it’s the cost of storage and data transfer rates that drive resolutions. They start to become quite expensive once you reach 8K. But I’m sure Samsung or LG would love to sell you that 7 foot 8K television to hang on your wall for bragging rights.

I would really hope Panasonic considers adding this to at least their GH5S cameras. It is a cinema-lite camera after all.

I'd take better quality 4K, i.e better dynamic range, 10bit, HDR, compressed RAW codec over 8K any day. 5 years from now I'll take 8K standard. I think people are under estimating the burden of handling 8K video. With media costs where they are at today, 8K is just stupid in a consumer camera. There are a lot of factors that make a particular scene in a video compelling. Resolution is at the bottom. Yes, I'm aware a 480p video is worst than a 1080p, but there is the law of diminishing returns. From most important to least. 1. Audio 1.5 Composition ? 2. Lighting 3. Dynamic Range 4. Bit rate 5. Bit depth 6. Resolution (1080p and up)

I think its scientifically proven that Sony users are more likely to die penniless and of heart failure caused by high blood pressure. Prove me wrong.

Fuji did a spectacular job this year, except for the puzzling X-H1 release. Panasonic continues to be racked over the coals for giving, imho, the best ergo, codec, features, in a camera. It’s a workhorse but people are still complaining about its very useable (as of Oct) autofocus. Canon shit the bed, plain and simple. Nikon did OK. Sony A7iii weak sauce all almost everything but price.

Latest rumor is that it has a built in ND filter. https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-the-olympus-e-m1x-also-has-a-live-nd-filter/ Things are moving in the right direction for a $3,000 MFT camera.

I have a GH5s. In real world use the noise performance has been pretty great. Stellar in fact compared to GH5. There have been a few shots in candle light that had some noise in the shadows, but I made the mistake and was too underexposed. Noise reduction in post and poof my OCD was fine again. Totally usable even before. Also, I don’t touch V-LogL. I’ve been using the HLG profile with Paul Lemmings LUT, exposing to the right, and it’s been outstanding.

I agree. M4/3 can't compete in the megapixel race but it is well positioned with its tiny sensor to move in this direction. A combination of IBIS and electronic stabilization with feedback from an accelerometer and gyro (like the gopro 7) and you could have gimbal levels of performance. I can't see M4/3 surviving in the high end market any other way. I'd love the GH6 to have a 20MP sensor, 4K120p, gimbal levels of stabilization, Fuji/Pany organic sensor with ISO performance as good or better than GH5s, and internal ND (via the organic sensor), and articulating screen. Slap on the new 10-25mm f1.7 and you have perhaps the perfect run and gun shooting, b-cam, street journalistic style video-adventure -camera ever? I would pay good money (3K+) for this as well. If Pany or Oly could make a M4/3 mirrorless camera that I could take out of my backpack and run around and take 4K 60/120p stabilized video without a gimbal that looks like it was shot on a gimbal, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

I lurk. My post was in jest, but I'll take the credit for amply informing you. P.S. The Ari Alexa has not arrived yet.

I think webrunner5 might be one of these brand infiltrators Andrew was talking about.