currensheldon

AGREED. Hoping this is it. Seems silly for the big names (Panasonic and Canon) to allow the Black Magic Design and Z-Cams of the world to take a really big user base (single operators who grew up on 5Ds and GH4/5s) - people who make a living on their video work but don't have the need or funds for larger cinema cameras. Canon could do it with a Super35/APS-C XC-style camera with RF mount (a mini C100). Fuji could do it as well with their lens lineup and XT3 video specs. But Panasonic makes the most sense. And I do love the MFT mount for the possibility to go super lightweight with MFT lenses or throw on the 0.64x speedbooster for a FOV greater than Super35mm. As long as they can deliver the same low light ability as the GH5s, they negate a big advantage of larger sensors while being much smaller and more compact (depth of field isn't a huge deal if you snag a f1.2 lens for interviews and the new f1.7 zoom for everything else).

Since it's Lumix, I don't think it will be the EVA/Varicam line (since that's a different branch of Panasonic). The fact that they are calling it "Cine LUMIX" is also very intriguing, because even with the GH5 and GH5s launches, it was always hybrid this and hybrid that (same with S1). They wanted to make sure that photographers knew these cameras were made for them. But I would think the GH5 and GH5s were largely adopted by the filmmaker crowd. Panasonic should really lean in hard to their reputation as a video company, rather than trying to woo photographers away from Canon, Nikon, Fuji, and Sony. Start putting out cameras that are strictly for video and compete head on with the BMPCC4K, Z Cam, etc and are more useful for video than all of the full frame video cameras out there. What this means is internal NDs, XLRs, timecode, compact size, 120fps+ in 4K, 10-bit throughout, internal or external raw, etc. - the GH6 should go all out in the video department.

There S1 L-Mount line is also Lumix, so it could be that. But I find that hard to believe since those cameras have only been out for 6 weeks. Surely we’ll get the V-Log update details, but this is sounding like a new camera.

Possible a mini MFT cinema camera is coming: https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-will-have-a-cine-lumix-announcement-on-may-31/ - or the new GH6? I doubt it is an L-Mount announcement, unless it's just for the V-Log update or HDMI raw output, but that seems too small for a major announcement at Cinegear.

Yea - an XC15-style camera with a Super35mm sensor would be great for so many uses. Hoping Fuji or Panasonic (with GH5 or GH6 abilities in it) launch something like that.

Oh no, I meant in sales. As a camera, it's my favorite Fuji ever (which is saying something). Great grip, amazing shutter, IBIS second only to Panasonic, and beautiful image. I just don't think it sold that well out of the gate and suffered from the X-T3 being above and beyond in video specs (other than IBIS) and needing the booster grip to even monitor audio (woooops). Fuji needs to bring the X-H2 with a battery 2x the capacity. But I do love that camera.

Looking really good. Very excited to see this camera with the 10-Bit, V-Log update.

That's true. The X-T2 did well but not because of video and it seems to be common opinion that the X-H1 didn't perform well. But the X-T3 is on fire in the video space, so it may only be 6-months since they have had any real success in video. Though, I love the X-H1 for video and it's really held back by not having the X-T3 video specs. The Ursa Mini Pro G2 is very impressive, just not my style of camera. I love the EVA-1, just wish it were a bit smaller and didn't have the EF mount. Canon's Super35 (affordable) glass is pretty terrible and or huge. Using the EVA-1 for now, but would trade it in for a MFT-mount in a heartbeat. -- But still hoping for Fuji. We'll see!

Yea that would make a lot of sense. I would say the X-T2 was the first camera that had good video, which was exceeded by the X-H1 and then greatly exceeded by the X-T3, so they're a good 2+ years into making good video cameras and about 16 months into making GREAT video cameras (or at least as good as any other mirrorless manufacturer since the X-T3). I really do feel there is a huge market gap in a small video camera in the $4-5k range that has all of the X-T3 specs (10-bit 4K, 60fps, 120-180fps in HD). Just need to make it full 422 10-bit with HDMI raw and maybe one thing the competition doesn't have - like ProRes, internal BM or ProRes Raw or 120fps in 4K or (GASP!) IBIS. Only the URSA Mini Pro G2 has a lot of those specs but I think that is trying to play in a much different market than a Fuji camera should (bigger productions, shoulder-mounted setups, etc). Fuji should keep it small (FS5-sized or smaller would be great) to go with their small APS-C lenses and MKX cine lenses and aim for the one-man band, documentary, journalism, small commercial production space. It's time Fuji. Release the (small) beast!

I think you're probably right and I hope so. If they wanted to unify the S1 series with their cinema lines, would be pretty easy to put out an L-Mount EVA-2 sooner rather than later. Or perhaps an in between camera, a mini EVA at $4-5k with the L-Mount. I love the S1, but until there are more native lenses, I'll probably stick with the GH5 for now.

I've tried both C200 + EOS R, but decided to stick with my EVA-1 + GH5, maybe replacing the latter with the S1 once the V-Log, 10-bit update rolls out. But having three mounts across the same brand (EVA: EF, MFT, and L-Mount) is a headache. I love Canon but the GH5, S1, and Fuji mirrorless cameras feel so much more professional, robust, and tactile than the EOS R - and are fun to use instead of a chore. I'd love it if Canon came out strong with their pro bodies, but if I had been holding my breath I would have passed out many times the past 5-years. I AM holding my breath for a Panasonic MFT video/cinema camera OR a Fuji X-Mount cinema/video camera. Whoever does it first, I'll go all in. Until then, the EVA-1 and GH5 are getting the job done.

Looks solid! The latest firmware on the GH5 improved the tracking tremendously and this looks solid as well. Maybe not Canon good, but definitely usable. Saw it lose focus on the last hot there at the end for a second.

I think this is what it comes down to for the GH6 - Panasonic has to continue to offer first-evers (or best evers) in the GH-series for them to continue to do so well in an increasingly full-frame world. GH5 did it with 4K 60fps, 4K 10-bit internal, and the best IBIS in the game (by far). Now, more than 2 years later, some have caught up and the GH5 low light ability is starting to show its age. Internal NDs and low light ability are the two biggest for me. Basically, just stabilize the GH5s sensor, throw in internal NDs, and try to get the megapixel count up to 24-26. Full V-Log would also be huge. Some f0.95 or more F1.2 primes to go with the 10-25mm f1.7 coming out would also be great.

Yep. That’s it. It would be great if it were on the smaller side (C100 or FS5 sized), but pretty much just the things you said.

Have any photos of that? I always want to use a lens hood but haven't found a variable ND that allows me to do so.

I'm curious why Fuji hasn't entered the video camera game. And by video camera, i mean the C100, EVA-1, FS5, etc space. With their Super35/APS-C lens lineup, film simulations, cine lenses, and amazing color and image from the X-T3, I think they would do really well. And the X-T3 or X-H1(2) are incredible B-Cams and gimbal cams. Anyone else have an interest in seeing that? If Fuji with the X-Mount or Panasonic with MFT decide to put out a dedicated video camera, either one, I'd go all-in on one of them.

Yep - which is why we probably won't see internal NDs in an A7sIII anytime soon. The only current MILC lineup that has a chance for internal NDs, I think, is the GH-series. Panasonic can always say "hey, it's not full-frame or Super35, so it's a different segment," which I think is true. Even if the GH6 had internal NDs (plus it's great XLR adapter), I don't think it would take a whole lot of sales away from the EVA-1 or S1. BUT, I do think it would instantly become the video journalists and doc filmmakers go-to camera - and pretty much everyone else who is using 1" sensor fixed lens cameras. Might even boost EVA-1 (or EVA-2 by that time) sales because it would be such an attractive B-Cam. But I still think the GH6 needs full V-Log (13-14 stops of dynamic range) to truly be an amazing B-Cam or A-Cam for doc filmmakers. (though, the GH5 is plenty good now for doc and journalist work).

With all the new full frame cameras (and I do love the S1), I would like to see a big push very soon from the MFT world (mostly Panasonic), because I am remembering why I always like to get the best quality possible in the smallest footprint possible. Since they've said over and over again that their full-frame cameras are for photographers and their GH-line for videographers, then Panasonic needs to prove it soon with one of these monster MFT sensors in the GH6 or a dedicated video/cinema camera. The GH5's specs are now being matched (almost) from the full-frame and APS-C world. It had a 2-3 year head start and now it's time to give the GH6 another 2-3 year head start from the next round of full-frame cameras. 36 megapixels, internal ND, full V-Log, GH5s low light, GH5 IBIS. Done. I have a hard time believing the A7sIII will be able to do everything stated without it overheating and catching fire in your hands.

That would be a huuuuge leap for the A7s series. Wouldn't they put this in an FS7 or FS5 first? If the A7sIII had 8K, quad-bayer sensor, internal electronic NDs, and the other features you mentioned, wouldn't that eat into their Super35 video cameras? Something like this gives me a lot of hope for the GH series and MFT cameras actually. Because I have a feeling you won't see the internal NDs and high-quality audio in a full-frame mirrorless until 3-4 years after you see it in a $20k+ video/cinema camera. But because it is MFT, manufacturers can make the case that if you want Super35 or full-frame video, those would still be "higher-end" - but a GH6 with the sensor you mentioned, with that megapixel count for stills, great low light ability, might actually get something like internal NDs to differentiate itself from other APS-C and full-frame mirrorless cameras. Interesting piece however it shakes out. Thanks for sharing.

Definitely interested in seeing what these can do, but the problem (for me) with the Z-Cam and Pocket 4K is that still lack the main things I'm looking for in a video/cinema camera, namely internal NDs, great audio, and sensible ergonomics (buttons!). Not a fan of the box with a sensor in it system either, really. But I love that Z-Cam is doing the Super35mm sensor with an MFT mount - Can use MFT lenses (and crop in a bit on the sensor) for a truly lightweight rig or get the 0.64x speedbooster and have a wider FOV and a bit more light gathering ability than full-frame! So cool. Just hoping it could come from Panasonic.

Yea exactly. Seems so simple. I don't think this would cut into their EVA-1 sales because people who are buying that camera want super35mm, 5.7k raw, etc. But a 10-bit 422 GH5s-sensor with full V-Log in a XC-15 or C100/FS5 style would be amazing. Throw a speedbooster on there and you've got a wider FOV than super35mm or stick with MFT and use lightweight lenses. $4-5k. It also is weird that nobody is making MFT or APS-C video cameras in the style of the Sony NEX-VG30 or Sony NEX-VG900 - everything under $5k is fixed lens camcorders. I guess if you made a video camera for $3-5k, they'd lost A7s and GH5 sales? If there was an MFT video camera, I'd much more likely hang on to my GH5 and also buy the GH6 as a b-cam, especially with that 10-25mm f1.7 coming out. But I'm getting tired of having different lenses and lens mount for my A-Cam (EVA-1, EF Mount) and my other smaller b-cams and photography cams (GH5, S1) - so something has got to give soon...

The crop in 60fps is a bummer, but if you want a full frame camera that shoots 60fps, this is your only option. Honestly, I think this camera packs in so much more quality and features than the Z6 and EOS R that the extra money is justified. Too bad it doesn't include the 10-bit, V-Log update coming soon (hoping it's $99, but probably $199) - then it would really be worth the price. I don't put the A7III as an option because I think the limitation of having terrible colors, harsh highlights and highlight rolloff, not great IBIS, and just a generally poor video image as all much bigger dealbreakers than any limitation on the S1.

I have used both, and I would definitely recommend the S1 over the EOS R. The EOS R adapters are fantastic, so if you have a lot of Canon glass, that my be more important (the variable ND adapter is a huge advantage). However, the image quality out of the S1 looks much, much better to my eye. Detailed, smooth, lovely. Also, the EOS R is an ergonomic nightmare - the touchpad sucks, no joystick sucks, changing from photos to video sucks. The shutter also sounds like a rocket launcher, whereas the S1 sounds lovely when taking photos. EOS R HD looks quite soft to my eyes. S1 is sharper and colors are fantastic. For all the talk of "Canon colors" (and I've said that many times), I've fallen in love with the EVA-1's color and image over the C200 and the GH5/S1 color over the EOS R. S1 is a real pleasure to use. From a usage standpoint, it quickly became my favorite camera I've ever used in terms of ergonomics, button layout, customization, feel in the hand, etc. The EOS R, not so much. Felt like I was constantly in an argument with the camera to get it to do what I wanted. You get used to it, but its just not nicely designed from a usage standpoint. So, my vote goes to S1.

Lots of information here and chatter about it. After using Sony A7s, A7rII, and trying out the EOS R, the Panasonic S1 (to me) feels like the first true, fully professional mirrorless camera (have not used A9 or Nikon's). It's robust with incredible images (both photo and video). I also love Fuji and X-H1 and X-T3 are great, but I like to have a mirrorless camera that can match the video cameras I use often (own an EVA-1, rent Canon's when needed). Sony's color science and general image make them a no-go for me and Canon is delivering severely hampered mirrorless cameras. Also love the GH5 and that would be a great choice as well. But if you want more opportunity for shallow depth of field, amazing low light ability, and do more photography, the S1 might be the way to go. There really aren't any bad cameras anymore. With the right lenses, technique, light, time and thought, most any camera will get you great images. I remember loving the images I was getting out of the Fuji XE-2 a few years back and now that camera is like $300. It just comes down to preference and what you are willing to trade off or not (4k crops, poor color science, size, battery life, etc).

That’s pretty much my point. People use cameras with IBIS for all sorts of stuff, as they do “cinema” or video cameras. A proper video camera with IBIS would be awesome.