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Yes, I found the Gerald Undone not very impartial, despite the perceive technical quality of the video (some of his fans call him "teacher" !). It may just be me, but I felt he was emphasize a little more on the advantages of the A7III, or maybe on the things the S1 does less right, while not doing the same on the opposite way. I really have to watch it again, it may be my memory, but that's my feeling from my watching. For example, the IBIS, from all we can see for now, seems miles and miles ahead on the S1, and I believe he passes quite quickly on this... which is strange, because everybody is raging when IBIS is lacking on a camera, or not efficient. Anyway, Z6 + S1 are great horses to produce beautiful images and get the job done !

He seems to like the gradability, and he also tempers the "low bitrate" while insisting on the "gorgeous image". Still, it's too short, I want to see more ?

Oh, I promise you I am in the same boat ahah. Waiting for the Z6 raw update to maybe buy one again. But the S1 ticks a lot of boxes compared to Nikon, Sony and Canon equivalent, as I place IBIS and body sturdiness above, for example, AF (I see the Z6 as a smaller and lighter S1, with better AF but less impressive IBIS, so just a matter of priorities - in any case I favor it a lot compared to Canon and Sony offering). It even could make a good combo next year with the Sigma FP. But tomorrow announcement from Sony could make a big difference ; even if their current offering does not interest me, I am really curious to hear about it. I also read 1 or 2 persons on forums or sonyalpharumors website praying for a A7SIII announcement tomorrow, as it could, according to them, force S1 prices to be lowered in order to compete (not sure if it is in Panasonic habits to do so) ! Reminds me of what I saw with the GH5-S : few reviews, but a lot of raving ones (mostly from filmmakers if I remember), and a lot of complaints concerning the lack of IBIS (and AF). For the S1 : few reviews but owners seem to love it, especially with the current updates ; on the other hand, some complaints concerning AF being behind the competition... Maybe the VLog upgrade will help them selling the camera (as the Z6 raw updates could be a good boost) !

Ah, couldn't import the clips in Resolve (latest 16 beta), then discovered 10 bits h264 is a Resolve studio capability... So back to premiere... I may have to buy a bmpcc4k to obtain a licence key and be able to use S1 files ?

Thanks a lot Andrew, will play with it this afternoon. What do you think about the IBIS ? From all the reviews I read and watched, they put it, for some, at the GH5 level, and even in the G9 league for others (I guess it is with dual IS and the 24-105).

Beautiful and captivating ! Ah, and so much flexibility that makes me jealous and my back cracking ?

This camera is more and more tempting ! The S1H could really be wonderful, given what we see here. With Sigma surprise announcements on top of that, not a bad start for the L alliance !

Don, please... I might be the only one into that I guess ahah (a trauma from Iceland I believe ! ) ? Joke aside, during my Fuji love affair I played with my wife's 55-200 (I personally had the 50-140), and what a beast ! I preferred it to my big and heavy 50-140 f2.8. The OIS is really great and the reach was very useful for our style : landscape/documentary/ nature photography + videography. We love to film (and photograph) isolated subjects or patterns far away, for example a beautiful small light on a big mountain wall, or reindeers mating on the toundra, while waiting for the auroras time ? . For this kind of use, the 55-200 really excel. Only downside is the absence of kind of weather resistance, as we encounter a lot of bad conditions. Oh, and it doesn't take the 1.4TC. For long lenses you can try the 100-400, but it is... a real beast. I thought about a fringer adapter + a canon mount sigma 100-400 too. I'm still debating between a Z6, a S1 and maybe a X-T3 ; if I go with the latter, the 55-200 will be with me, cause I really like those fluffy sheeps grazing in the far distant ?

Yes you are right, it is more interesting for people like me that leaves at the boundary, because we can still benefit from the warranty by directly bringing the camera to the store, for example at Geneva (that, of course, only if there is a big price difference after having add VAT). I believe some camera brands refuse to repair cameras bought in Switzerland. And yes, with current rebates, you can find it at more or less 2000€, which is the same as Switzerland + VAT I guess (https://audiophil-foto.de/de/shop/kameras/nikon/nikon-z6-z-24-7040-s_5688_559). Same debate as with grey market, which becomes less interesting when you add VAT... I'm also waiting to see how it works with the TechArt, as I'm debating between buying the Z6 again or wait for a S1 (have to save more...). I want to use certain Canon lenses, so I need to check the stacking of MC-11>>TechArt>>Z ! Anyway, good times to hunt for a camera !!

Great ! Switzerland prices are even wilder ! Did you see my previous link ? Z6 + 24-70 the same price as the Fuji xt3 +18-55 ! Crazy... For lenses, don't know if you would like to go the nikon G adapted route, but I loved their 1.8G prime line-up ; at least they are really good for photography : not too expensive, really lightweight, good quality... plastic made and not great for manual video focusing though. I really liked the 20, 24, 50 and 85 ! Great kit. I think they may be too "clinical" for some, depending on what you want as output.

Mattias, I was waiting for you to come quickly, thinking you would be the most excited !!

Oh sh*t, did not see the (BIG AND UNMISSABLE) CDN thing... I was thinking about go the S1 route for photo/video uses and later add a bmpcc4k... but S1 + this one, sharing the same mount : quite tempting !

ahah, that was... hm, not sure how I feel after that, but love it too ? "Fucked up" sum it up well !

So, could it indicate that an apsc L-mount will be release ? Sigma foveon... or panasonic ? Is it just me or the video really emphasize on the video side (with the rig) ?

Oh no... I'm really gonna sell an arm, in addition to my already discounted kidney, in order to get a S1 !!

I do not have the camera (yet ! I am trying to sell a kidney right now ? ), but I am closely reading about it. From what I understand, the upgrade comes free for every buy until September 30. You then have to fill in a form, and you later receive a letter. Here is the official page for the promotion + the form : https://offre-lumix-s1.e-odr.fr/fr/?fbclid=IwAR2sz9mtUEs6NWeK1aRt-jzQWyX-WDyHmO8TK1wLf3c8o0_xcjOblspD0Nk

Strange decision, it is free here in France.

Here you are : https://***URL not allowed***/panasonic-lumix-s1-review/

This guy measured the A7III at 13.1 in SLOG3 : Even if those numbers were a little overvalued, the advantage of the S1 over the A7III would still be very good !

Samples here, including comparison with A7iii :

Good point, I too thought about the "partners to satisfy" idea, but I am too naive and told myself that they only want to satisfy customers ? But I guess it is quite logical in their alliance balance : do not ruin our plan by allowing everybody to use canon lenses and preventing them from buying ours ! If I was to buy it, it would only annoy me with the photography side. For video, with long lenses, I would manual focus only anyway, thus caring much for ibis and lowlight.

No idea if their tests are relevant, but cinema5D measured the dynamic range : Given the first Vlog tests on youtube, it really seems to have quite more dynamic range with it, so it will end up not being to bad !!

Just came across this MC-21 compatibility list someone made : https://www.tttphotography.com/sigma-mc-21-ef-l-lens-adapter-compatibility/ As I was interested to know how the canon 200 f2.8 and 100-400 ii work, I'm glad to read the results are quite good ! I even watched a video (from Wex if I remember, or maybe Park cameras....) where they test the canon 100-400, and it is really really good (at least good for photo). Strangely, they report the sigma 100-400 contemporary doesn't work, while sigma put it on the official compatibility list ! They really missed out with this MC21 adapter... seriously. Why they did not "surf" on the MC11 relative success and use that experience to make the same with this one ? I guess it must be for technical reasons but, still, given the price of those new lenses, it would have been great to obtain the mc11 compatibility level.

Does anybody know what type of card is mandatory to take advantage of the new vlog recording ? From what I've read, xqd is only needed for 180fps. I guess, a v90 sd card would be sufficient for everything else ? Damn, I haven't got the needed money to buy this monster, but big sales are putting it right now at a decent price... and make me feel less in need for money ?