MrSMW

Not that I have tried it yet, but post-season, for the first time, I am going to as storage is cheap and why not at least try the full capability of the camera?, good point, the data rates on Lumix has always been good!

Which is exactly how I’d use it with Tamron zoom’s, the: 20-40, 28-75 and 70-180 f2.8’s.

Admittedly only looking on my phone but I wouldn’t know which is which unless I was told. At the extreme, I am sure the RED camera has a marginally better image/latitude, but for 99% of the time for 99% of real world users needs (the latter of which is not RED’s market of course)… The 2 best things this camera has is the image quality using the RED raw 12 bit and that screen.

I'm not sure I agree... I think some folks expected Nikon to take everything from RED and simply dump it in a Nikon body and to then charge 20% of the price of a RED. Was never going to happen. Who would then buy a RED camera going forward if they could basically get it all for a fraction of the price? Virtually no one and they would have cooked their golden goose. What they have done is made a RED-lite camera (arguably more Nikon than RED) that can either act as a B cam to a RED user, or something for the Nikon user to use alongside other Nikon cameras they may already have such as the; Zf, Z6iii, Z8 or Z9. and give them a taste of RED, if not the full-blown illusion of shooting something much more than it is (the 'Creator FX3 effect'). Or for the minimalist, low-budget filmmaker (or content creator) who fancies a bit, but not full on, RED colour science and 'RAW-lite'. I've watched a few reviews now and I'd definitely have gone for this (subject to overheating and battery life tests) for my needs as a hybrid shooter. In fact a pair along with a pair of Zf's (a pair of the new black & silver models) for a pretty compact, capable and fun to use set with a super-nice image output. It's not a full-blown cinema camera and I do agree, the choice of placement for the card slots is bloody awkward (as it is for my S9), but that rear LCD more than makes up for it for me. Now if they could just get the spec of the Zr into a Zf body...

Ditto. I see this new Zr as more comparable with the S9 than anything else within the Lumix lineup. It’s build by all reports is a notch up and the rear LCD on another level. It’s a ‘red cinema colour’ Nikon camera though rather than ‘RED in a Nikon body’. I like it and would have one if I was in the Nikon ecosystem, but nothing I’d switch to or build a system around. And as a 50:50 hybrid shooter, vs the S1Rii, it’s not even a conversation.

Between the two, the new Canon and this, obviously if you are in the Canon ecosystem or with Nikon, the choice is obvious, providing either of these things can do what you need them to do. I think they both look the part, but neither of them really suit my needs so still perfectly happy I went full Lumix, and even if they had been Captain Amazeballs, I still wouldn't have jumped. If I had gone for one of them, I'd have gone the Nikon route, but only if I'd stayed within the Nikon body, adapted E Mount glass camp where I partially previously was. I am happy they exist even if they don't tick all my boxes.

OK, the new Canon looks good, despite the spec not yet fully known and I suspect the Nikon ZR will also be competitive so Lumix, over to you, - how is that S1H coming along because the time to pop it out would be immediately after the other kids do otherwise you risk all the newly found brand hoppers, hopping in their direction?

Stills to micro SD

Absolutely. I could not work without a camera with great stability and I mean great, not merely OK. If it can be achieved digitally, I’m OK with that but yes, Lumix is the best I have seen and experienced. I have my S9 set up to be ‘gimbal like’ with both mechanical and digital IBIS, but it’s not reliable enough for consistency and next year I am going to pick up (for the 4th time 🙄) a gimbal, except this time it won’t have a camera that needs balancing, ie Pocket 3.

53 minutes recording 6k 30p continuously 31 degrees Celsius in the shade before the heat warning came on but it kept rolling and the speech ended before I got to experience a shutdown. Not too shabby!

Lumix S1RII and it’s identical twin, S1II glare sullenly in your direction. IMO, if it’s ‘cinema’ camera, it either can’t shoot stills at all, or it’s at least a bit crap in that department whereas if it’s ‘hybrid’, it should be able to do both equally as well. Perhaps not video as well as a dedicated cinema camera and perhaps not stills as well as a dedicated camera, but at least both comparable to each other. By its C designation, I would not expect this new Canon to be that great for stills so most likely, will be that smaller more dedicated cinema camera. But where will the hammer strike? I came close to building a hybrid system around R3’s which despite their size are surprisingly light and I think are a really great balance for stills and video. The only thing that put me off was the price and last year these were still commanding 5-6k on the used market but can now be had for around 3k so if I was looking today, they would be very strong contenders. Good stills, great video spec.

Or maybe they are a progressive thinking company for whom the glass is half full and their thinking is; we are a major player in the action cam market, we are a major player in the niche high end camera market, we are THE player in the drone market, we have a pretty unique piece of filmmaking kit in the cinema market, is there are reason we cannot bring some of our momentum and perhaps innovation and enter the MILC market? It’s not a question therefore if they can, but if they should and that is up to them to determine but brands come and go and if anyone can make a strong case for entering into this specific part of the market, it’s probably DJI. But we’ll see… They either will or they won’t but if they do, my money is it will be with L Mount.

Anyone seen my tin foil hat? I’m sure I left it around here somewhere…

Watched and thought it was great but did spend a great deal of the time seeing BTS such as; someone is holding that door open, someone is cranking up the VND, the camera was just handed off out of the window to someone else, he's not really driving that van, it's being hooked up to the drone right...about...now. I've watched and read a couple of BTS pieces on it and somewhat surprisingly, they used just the second take on Episode 01 but all the rest were...if I remember correctly, between 11-16 takes. Any small mistakes they tended to let slide if they could get away with it, but obviously stuff happened and they had to restart at least 10 times on every episode after the first one. Very well acted, especially the kids. The single room psychologist scene, they both cocked up their lines a few times and ad libbed but this happens I believe in movies so... Really well done and as someone who took part in a movie that was filmed at my school as a kid https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090310/ must have been a lot of fun for those that took part!

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Exactly. We live in a world where component and platform sharing becomes increasingly the norm. IMO, if DJI were to release a FF mirrorless and try making that fly (not literally, - they have other products that do that) with their own tiny range of lenses, good luck with that, but it would be a recipe for disaster. E Mount is dead so yes, using older lenses etc is all well and good, but Canon are all in now on RF. And to truly compete against the likes of Canon/Nikon/Sony/Lumix, it almost certainly needs to be a hybrid rather than a pure cinema camera. DJI already have strong links with Lumix, - the S1RII and Ronin 4D share a sensor (not officially stated but the general consensus is it is) and are already in the L Mount system, so a bit of a no-brainer. But then maybe the the whole DJI mirrorless camera is just a fantasy...

Not necessarily... Hasselblad might be owned by DJI, have their lenses built in Japan and source their sensors from Sony, but are still a Swedish company designing and building their own cameras (and I believe in designing their own lenses) and based on their most recent release, seem to happy to be chasing a purely stills orientated market. I can't see them producing a FF or smaller sensor camera as it wouldn't make sense but instead leave that to parent company DJI... ...who from an aerial perspective, makes sense to use their own mount or fixed lenses. But any new FF camera, who would their customers be? Well there is no existing DJI camera (outside of the Ronin 4D and that is a different thing) so they would wish to nab customers from all of the existing brands, so; Canon, Nikon, Sony, Lumix, Fujifilm etc Realistically, in order to do that, they would need to be both innovative and mainstream, ie, have 'something' that the others do not but at the same time, be able to do what say your typical 'mid' mirrorless can do, ie, photo and video. A handful of lenses wouldn't cut it so they would need to launch with a lot more than what is on offer or they'd be dead in the water. People don't buy bodies, - they buy systems. Well business users do anyway, maybe not the average Jo Public. As an existing L Mount user for all my ground based photo and video needs and DJI for aerial, having something that fits in with that has a lot of appeal such as my S9 is currently the most 'at risk' bit of kit in my lineup and it's currently part back up, occasional semi-static, sometimes gimbal-like use and I'm toying with getting another gimbal and making more use of it than I do, but this is where DJI might fit in with their history as also a maker of gimbals...and if the lens mount ties in with what I already use, it makes sense. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks, but if DJI do enter the camera arena, I hope it's FF and it's L Mount and to me, it makes perfect sense that these are the most likely options. But then what do I know?!

Cost and range. L Mount now has a huge number of available lenses whereas DJI have very few. Take something like the Lumix 35mm f1.8 at around 500 US/UK/EU currency whereas the DJI lens is f2.8 and 3x the price. OK, it's smaller and lighter, but video orientated also. But no reason why they could not develop their own line but they would probably be limiting their market by not using a more openly available mount? Folks moan all the time about how few options outside RF there are for Canon. Same thing, but with a less well known brand.

Yes please, but history says that most attempts in this industry just flop and the big boys just plod on with their glacial development… I was thinking yesterday how the S1RII could have been better for my needs and the only thing I came up with was a body design a la FX3 with a flat top so there could be twin hotshoe mounts, or rather one hotshoe for mic and one cold shoe for a small light, ie, no need to have to make a choice or add a cage. Internal VND (without sacrificing IBIS) would also be the obvious one, but beyond that, there isn’t anything else for me that I can think of. I suspect both the new Canon and Nikon will be good, but not groundbreaking in anyway, but FX3 style versions of the R6III and the Z6III respectively. DJI has access to Hasselblad colour science, at least as a marketing thing and lidar AF and doesn’t come from the conservative mold of the more traditional Japanese brands, so could be interesting. Lumix’s next FF cam is surely the S1H and can’t see it being that tiny thing in that pic which if Lumix, is more likely a tiny 4/3 cinema camera based on size and the ‘fact’ that they are unlikely to plop out an APSC camera at this time? Or it’s some other brand such as Black Magic because they have M4/3 roots and now use L Mount so a return to a modern version of their OG pocket camera?

Mini for sure. I don’t think the Phantom 4 Pro would fit it Matt Grangers pockets, never mind mine.

Dammit, my money was on Matt and his over-sized pocket cargo pants going their separate ways.

There is talk of Viltrox even making their own camera so possibly that? If that's a PL-L mount, that is interesting...

How super-cute.

I am 99.9% sure that pic from that video is none of the above named cameras. Absolutely no way any 'cinema' camera is that small. It looks like a medium sized phone that ate a medium sized pie at best. Not unless someone has found a way to defy physics, time and space...

In fact it's so small, if it is a Canon, where would they hide The Cripple Hammer?