MrSMW

Anyone else received confirmation of their free Sigma lens? After a bit (too much in my opinion) of wrangling, I just received notification from Panasonic Europe/France/Somewhere, that I would be receiving mine within the next 4 weeks. Looking forward to something a bit faster than the f3.5-5.6 kit lens which is great as a stills or video lens at the wide end, but it’s just a little slow at the long end for my tastes. Also looking forward to some news on the 85mm f1.8 (for photo and video) and then the 70-300, the latter especially because 60mm doesn’t quite cut it for my kind of landscape photography work. Not interested in it for video as the 85 will be more than long enough.

Good listen.

Finally, Lightroom 10! VERY impressed with the Panny raw files SOOC. I have done 3 full hybrid shoots (results on Instagram ‘Atelier Firehorse’ if anyone is interested) but this is the first time I have been able to process the raw files. Slightly limited on my most recent job as the kitchen environment meant 6400 iso at f5.6 on the long end of the 20-60. I could have upped the ISO to 12800 but it worked out OK. Just. Shutter speeds were getting a bit low... The raw files needed very little work. I pretty much did some minor cropping, leveled some horizons, adjusted a few exposures, sometimes a bit of contrast or clarity. No sharpening, no presets or anything else. It bodes well for when I can get some f1.8 lenses working on the system. Looking forward to the 70-300 for my landscape work as it should be smaller and lighter than the f4 70-200 and the f2.8 is just overkill for me. Hopefully that 85mm f1.8 shows up next month as promised! Anyone got their Sigma 45mm f2.8 yet? I have been added to a list in France so still hoping...

I still may come back to Fuji... Right now, my only camera and lens is the S5 and 20-60mm. It’s a brilliant combo for most of my needs but came up against 2 needs in the last week and that is the need for a pair of fast(ish) primes and the 35 & 85 f1.8’s should take care of that, plus a ‘long’ landscape lens and a 70-300 is due sometime soon. But it’s weddings that are my primary income so will need to test one of the above primes in some kind of social environment to just confirm to myself the whole system/combo is good enough for my needs... ...or it’s a pair of XT4’s, Smallrig grips and set of f2 primes. Unless an XH2 appeared by next Spring and that would be more likely. I do like the new Fuji but I’d be kidding myself it was suitable for my needs.

I bought a pair of the originals. Hated them. Sold them. It wasn't really their fault, - just a bit fiddly and 2 more things to set up, switch on, switch off, put away... And these things are always about 'wider' but actually I am probably an abnormality because I would prefer longer! It was the one thing that annoyed me about my DJI OSMO Action that I replaced the 2 Pockets with, - it did not have a zoom or cropped function like my old Go Pro had. So I sold that also.

Even though I had one, I always seem to forget that the 16-80 exists. OK, changing my 'one and done' to X-S10 + 16-80. Also it's a constant aperture. And the lens is WR. Personally, for me, I'd still go XT3 + Smallrig grip because; it's cheaper, better video, prefer the screen type and weather sealed. But both I think are equally valid options.

By the sounds of it, this camera should be perfect for you and your needs. I think this mated with the 18-55 'kit' lens and 99% of any users needs would be covered. Unless you absolutely need weather sealing in which case a used XT3 can be had for even less money and perhaps even more sense? Grip not quite enough? (XT3) Add a Smallrig for about 30 'your currency'. Otherwise I think your analysis is about right; 4/3rds we have G9/GH5/Olympus, at APSC, Fuji and then it's the full frame options. The S5 with the 20-60mm kit lens also makes a very compelling 'one and done' option and is both smaller and lighter than say a G9 or GH5 with 10-25mm lens and the sensor is something like 17x bigger 😉

I’m *cough* intrigued to see what it is you are *cough* offering whenever that time comes @BTM_Pix 😀

I'm not a gimbal person, but it's certainly interesting in regard to the future and what is still to come. As a Panasonic user, I'm more interested in the AF side of things 😄

I get away with it because I am shooting very slow paced stuff in the first place and then slowing it in post by 50%. I should add I DO use a variable ND and fixed 1/100th when shooting 50p purely video and it’s for hybrid I don’t as I am constantly flicking back and forth hundreds of times over the course of a day.

When I say 'made it work in 2019', I should add that I made it work for me by: A. Adding the battery grip and batteries for handling purposes and for the battery power. B. Fringer Pro adapter so I could use, C. The Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 and Tamron 45mm f1.8 but although the Tamron offered me some OIS capability, the Sigma didn't so I used the combo on a freestanding monopod the whole time. With my S5 and lens, it's already; more capable and in a smaller and lighter package. AF is probably in the 'comparable' range but still to be determined and no scientific tests here. The IBIS however should mean a lot more time off monopod, but again, another thing to be determined. If I'd stuck with Fuji...or if I decide the S5 is not quite right for my wedding needs (it is for everything else, no question and absolutely a keeper) then I would go XT4 and use the 23mm f2 and 50mm f2 and possibly the 90mm f2, the 50 not having quite the range I'd like. I have used all 3 lenses before and for video, along with the 16-55 f2.8 and 18-55 f2.8-4, considered the 23mm f2 and 50mm f2 the pick of the primes. But not the 35mm f2 which was a hunty little bugger. Some potentially interesting Tokinas primes coming, if they ever get around to it...

Agreed @Kisaha I think Fuji joined the hybrid bandwagon at least a year or two behind the curve. On the video side, they caught up very quickly and the options and quality out of the XT3 and XT4 are superb. What is really holding them back though is indeed their lenses and the prime (no pun intended) reason why I left them after 8-9 years. I do think they should have gone XH2 rather than XT4, ie, made the XT4 but in the XH body and that would at least have kept me happy and quite a few others. But that stills leaves the question over the lenses... I made it work in 2019, but sold almost all my gear intending to move on Spring this year, but as we all know, the C word stepped in and stomped all over our lives. Maybe a good thing for me as with the delay, the S5 came on the market and after a few initial wobbles, IMO is the best hybrid out there. I think there is too much internet twaddle talked over the AF which admittedly, is not the best, but it's not total dog doo either! Anyway, this is a Fuji thread so vive la S-X10 or whatever it's called 🤩

XH2?

I'm not one of those that likes to piss on others parades, but it's about as exciting as the new Nikonzzz

I should explain my hybrid use as maybe it will be explain my ‘delay’... I have: C1 set for stills C2 set for indoor video, shutter priority 1/100, auto aperture (but of course it goes for the lowest as a result as intended), plus auto ISO which is where the exposure in this case is mostly controlled. C3 set for outdoor video, AP, auto shutter, auto ISO and because I do not use an ND or give a flying fig for the 180 degree shutter rule, don’t care if my shutter speed is in the thousandths as it usually is and a exposure here is mostly controlled by shutter speed as intended. Why no ND you crazy mofo? Hybrid use/stills as in many scenarios where it might be fine for video, but not for the stills plus I’ve never noticed anything negative by ignoring the 180 degree rule. I never go below 1/100 though for the slow mo. I only shoot 4K 50p as I never know which bit of footage I may wish to slow but I slow a lot of it. I conclude that the delay that I am experiencing is the camera switching from full frame to cropped mode and back? Probably not how most work but I do what works for me and if it doesn’t fit within the rules...well so what! I shot another job today, hybrid and was mostly testing the IBIS and had it in AF most of the time unless it was particularly tricky. I found the tracking AF option pretty sticky unless the subject went completely out of frame, otherwise, very promising. Need to review the footage though... But ditto @herein2020 loving the camera so far and so far, not missing the XT3...and I loved that camera.

Just used mine this week on another commercial hybrid capture project and it was superb in all regards. One minor niggle and that is when switching from stills to video or back, it takes a few seconds to set itself up. Another is write speed is a little slow at times, ie, switch to video following a few stills and there's a few extra seconds there whilst it's writing. Nothing that's deal-breaking to me, just niggles I have become aware of and need to work around. @herein2020 Yes, everything I have read points to Sigma lenses being best on the Sigma camera, Leica on Leicas and Panasonic on Panasonic. The first of the f1.8 primes, the 85mm is due in Nov and the rest of the primes some time 'soon' and I guess the next best option is the native 24-70 f2.8, but it's a bit of an investment. I'm making do with the 20-60 until then (and it's pretty superb in it's own right, never mind at £200 which is what it cost in the deal purchase price) until those primes arrive. I was looking at a pair of Nikon Z6ii's for my hybrid wedding work for when that starts again (hopefully) in April, but now that Nikon have blown it for me and are passing into history, I'm really looking forward to those primes as 3x S5's are looking like my next 3 years future.

On Nikon’s own website it reads 4K 60p at 8 bit AND DX-crop mode. In multiple places.

FFS NIKON!!!!! 🥵

I don't know what's going on here but it's not like they have a cinema line to protect... Panasonic could have that excuse, but don't use it and just have the somewhat iffy AF issue. Canon are full of controversy. Sony have been criticised by only having 12mp for the A7S3 but it looks like when the A74 arrives, now that Sony have improved ergos, menus and colour, they are just going to walk over the whole lot. And I am no Sony fan but the electronics giant is stomping on the more established camera companies. It's like they all want to commit financial suicide and close their doors. Or are we some tiny minority that sees this, but 99% of the rest of the world don't give a shit and just hand over cash to any brand they recognise the name of or the fella in the shop sells them? I think if the answer to my question above is "no, the 4k 60p when it comes is 8 bit", then I'm on a course to see if the S5 will perform in ALL the roles I'd need it to. More than a bit pissed off with all the camera companies right now. Every single one cripples in some degree or another everything they are putting out for no apparent reason other than they can. It's just fucking weird! 🙄

I only have one question...and could not find the answer. This 4K 60p 1.5x crop firmware update that is coming in Feb 2021, is it 10 or 8 bit internal? It’s the same sensor as my S5 but that already does the above with 10 bit. If it’s 8 bit, that might just be enough to swing my 2nd and 3rd camera bodies back in favour of more S5’s... PS: I don’t care about log and will be shooting some profile as I always do.

The Lumix Cube, the sequel to the Rubix Cube. I'm a big fan of modular...but no place in my needs for such a thing.

Speaking of gimbals, tried it, (twice), hated it. Monopod or IBIS handheld for me all day long. This may be slightly controversial, but I think gimbals are something of a current fad. Not that some do not have a genuine use for such things, but I suspect a lot get and use a gimbal because ‘everyone else’ has/uses one. Electronic trickery will replace the things mainstream very soon. As it is already beginning to. Not that any of this has to do with the S5!

As this topic seems to be more about IBIS, my take on it below. Toggle on and off as/if required via a function button. Job done.

Nikon and Sony are clearly Covid-aware companies whereas Panasonic are not.

Yes, that make sense. Duh me, - more wishful thinking than anything!