MrSMW

@zerocool22 I get where you are coming from but at the same time this place is not some scripted production where there is an announcement, everybody gets to make one comment and then it’s topic closed. It’s a forum where people talk. Talk a load of shit half the time, good and bad, but that’s the nature of this beast. Also, it is an evolving story and the info comes in bit by bit. Many of us have too much time right now so there’s even more chatter. To conclude, political talk etc can be (rightly in my opinion) banned, but where do you draw the line on talking about the current err...appropriately titled, ‘hot topic’ of latest camera news in the camera area of a forum?!

Good call as I don’t need AF!

Obviously the world wasn’t ready... It is now! I can’t believe I never heard of this before... Even more so, I can’t believe it obviously failed at some point and did not transform the industry ☹️

My principal lens choice is the Sigma with the other two being options. The Viltrox an extreme one and very rare use, but if stuck at the back at that church... The video choices are one’s I have and use by the way, the stills hypothetical as I do use native for that currently. Video choice was partly due to shallow DOF and low light capability and with the Fringer/Sigma duo, because the AF is better than anything native at f1.8 I don’t zoom lenses and shoot manual exposure 100% of the time so never actually seen this Fuji exposure change thing myself!

I agree Steve but my point was it WAS aimed at us...and does not appear fit for that purpose at this time.

Yep, bigger body XH2 with cooling system like the S1H and even some Sigma FP modularity but no 8k chasing. Plus the lenses, (none of which I use for video work) either some updating or video friendly new ones. OK, there are the MK twins but they are cine specialist and tripod only jobs with the Fuji X system rather than hybrid. The 16-55 is supposed to be the best but I have never used it for video as I use it in my stills camera at the same time. Must give it a go...

Indeed. It’s like the entire industry has been in stagnation for years stuck around certain body types when modular just makes sense. I suspect because the FP has not been a massive success, the rest have either breathed a sigh of relief or said, “told you it would never work”, but I rather hope the rest did take note and are working on it. I’d like to see the 4/6/8k and megapixel arms race exchanged for a ‘who can build the most modular’ with a core real world spec. Plug in cooling, plug in SSD of your size choice, plug in battery of your size choice, grip size and type of your choice, plug in screen type of your choice, plug in cooling... The FP is just a first attempt and if Sigma are not working night and day on a second model, well both their and our loss. They nearly had my money, but too many compromises. Panasonic, Nikon and Canon nearly did. Sony still might, or any of the previous or maybe Fuji will pull a blinder with the XH2. But FFS will someone just do it ASAP.

I disagree. It depends on how you define 'professional works'. Making a feature film with it? Then probably not. As a C cam or similar on a Netflix series or Hollywood blockbuster, then why not, but as the principal filmmaking tool, of course not. But is a wedding videographer not producing professional work? Or a travel documentarian? Or journalist? Or sports/fashion hybrid shooter? All of the above are EXACTLY who this camera was targeted at and the R6 that sits below it. Otherwise what was it for, occasional snaps of cats and kids (yours own and not strangers) at the park?

OK, no worries. I think the 'answer' is if Fuji produce an XH2, I will almost certainly buy one and test it unless it's already some glaring fail. If it suits my needs, then a second. If not, then I carry on with the monopod and accept it's compromise. I suspect though that with everything switched on the XT4, that level of stabilisation would suit my needs. Providing I haven't just run up a hill. I find that channel both quite funny and also quite irritating. No one should take it seriously unless their needs are identical to his, ie, walking along the streets talking to camera. I don't even like pans... 🤪

Ah, OK, probably would not affect me then. When I shoot video, it's in a second body alongside shooting stills and I only shoot clips typically from 5-15 seconds. Very rarely, it might be 30-90 seconds, but we are talking maybe 2-3 times a day. Last wedding I shot just over 300 clips over 15 hours so say average 10 seconds each, 1 second average every 3 minutes of the day! Obviously there were periods of the day such as when they were eating or I was travelling to or from the church, but even if I was 'working' 10 of those hours, that still only makes 1 second of recorded footage for every 2 minutes. I reckon even a Canon R5 could handle that. Or not... 😆 @rawshooter so if you have every bit of stabilisation switched on and you are pretending to be like a human tripod (but not leaning on anything) how tripodic (new word) is the footage, especially at focal lengths of +50mm FF equiv? I haven't owned any recent Olympus or Panny cameras that had IBIS so no experience. In fact, other than my camcorder and phone, no IBIS experience at all... I know the supposed 6 stops OIS on the f4 16-80 is not good enough for me though. I am thinking however, it's pretty close to being 'tripodic', I could add some warp stabiliser in post if needs be...but being freehand in principle would be a massive bonus.

Is the XT4 more prone to overheating than the XT3 then? Anyone actually have any experience of this themselves? I use my XT3's hard, all day long, stills and video in typically mid 30's (Celcius!) and direct sunlight and have never had an overheating issue that I am certain of. Last week, my filming/video designated unit would not switch on prior to speeches at a wedding and though it had not been used for a while, had been sitting in a hot glasshouse for some time. Took the battery out and inserted a fresh one (the 'old' one still had a full charge as it was being topped up from a power bank) and it switched on and worked fine. So I 'assume', but don't know for sure whether it was a case of overheating or some other glitch... I have heard/read of overheating with the XT4 but like any chatter, is it just that, re-reported chatter or actual experience with described conditions? Ultimately it is a small unit. As soon as you switch on anything electrical, it starts to heat up and maybe the IBIS that the XT4 has and the XT3 doesn't adds (significantly?) to the heat build up? Right now, I'm skipping the XT4. My musings are more based on carrying on with what I have for the remainder of whatever the rest of 2020 turns out to be and then into the Spring of 2021, when the one true king, the veritable next holy grail of cameras, praise him (or her), the glory that will be the XH2, plops into existence. Hopefully. With a tilt screen and not articulated. And hopefully some cooling like the S1H. But not 8k because who needs 8k? Or maybe I'll go Sony... Or Nikon...

If it's of any interest, with a Fuji IBIS body (so current XT4 + battery grip or potential XH2 with hopefully integral battery grip) and focal lengths adjusted for FF equivalency using the APSC 1.5x crop + 1.29x 4k crop (video) or the 1.07 crop (stills) , my ideal dual body and lens line up would be as follows: Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 + Tamron 45mm f1.8 + Viltrox 85mm f1.8 (3 lens options) Fringer video equivalent = 35-68mm + 87mm + 165mm all f1.8 Ideally, I'd rather shoot all of the above 3 options handheld with rock steady 'near tripod' like results, though the 85mm lens might be asking a bit much? And below, the photo only options where the stabilisation is a bonus rather than a need. Tamron 15-30mm f2.8 OIS + Tamron 35-150mm f2.8-4 OIS (2 lens options) Metabones photo equivalent = 16-32mm f2 + 37-160mm f2-2.8

Just been playing around with a few options with my XT3 and have a question for actual XT4 owner/users and that is specifically, how good is the 'tripod' IBIS mode? My most stabilised lens currently is the f4 16-80mm. It doesn't really float my boat for video work, especially in low light and especially against Fringer and Metabones options that allow f1.8/f2. But the latter aside, I like a 100% or close to steady shot for all my work. I don't pan or anything like that and certainly never walk. However, using a monopod on a typical 12-15 hour wedding day is a bind in 2 ways. 1: Along with additional power bank, it's around 3kg extra to lug about all day. 2: It's at least 3x faster than using a tripod, but still nowhere near as fast as a harness attached unit you can swing into action within a split second and make any/all adjustments with your body. So I am kind of musing just how good (or not) an XT4 is with everything switched on and using say the 16-55mm f2.8, ie, something moderately chunky and weighty? If anyone has any footage they'd care to share, even better! I tend to shoot around 30-80mm full-frame equivalent for all my video work and towards the longer end really and there are a number of lens options, but I am very interested to know how close to static footage can be achieved with say 5-10 second clips handheld.

I might be interested in the XC20 to replace my Sony AX100 camcorder. Tempted by the 10 or 15 over the last few years but neither really had enough to warrant the expense and there hasn’t been anything else on the market either with ‘enough’. I only use it for one purpose and that is static full ceremony and speeches at weddings, but would welcome something sub 1500)/£/euros that did better low light. Also for purely personal reasons, I’d rather being using something that looks a bit more pro than a camcorder. Just because. So will be interested to see what any XC20 might be.

I’m thinking about getting an R5 and offering a new wedding video service where I start with bride prep. Then I go home and have a proper BBQ.

Maybe the R5 needs firing out of a Cannon? Boom boom.

It's CANON Clifff, not Cannon. Just saying, but on behalf of The Spelling Police... 😛

I think you miss the irony in my post. That is my EXACT point. The industry, those of us anyway that work in it, are currently twiddling our thumbs and waiting on better times so have a lot of extra time we might not ordinarily have to talk endless shite on-line 😉

@BTM_Pix I am also of the opinion that we are still possibly in the time of 2 cameras for 2 different purposes. If the R5 did not have the issues it has or if the A7Siii had say 20mp or if the S1/H had PAF, then maybe we'd have the first true zero compromise hybrids, but IMO, there is at least one factor in all of them that doesn't work for me anyway. OK, there's always still a compromise somewhere, even if for some it might be price or any other factor. XH2 and Z6s have the next shot at the title each and maybe one or both of them will pull it off. Or maybe neither will. Based on all the offerings either currently or imminently available, for me that might be those 2 different cameras, - a pairing of A7Siii for video duty and A7iii regular flavour for stills. And I'm not the world's biggest Canon fan! I would love love love Sigma to make an FP2 that was a genuine hybrid and I could consider.

That’s probably the single biggest issue. Other than the slightly more than derogatory term ‘canboy’, I suspect that the majority of purchasers worldwide do so because Canon is the most well known brand of camera in the world and because normal people don’t spend their lives on niche forums talking shite all day in absence of having any paid work.

11 users then 😘 But seriously, I do like the concept but as it is for so many, the reality doesn’t meet the wants or needs of most. I seriously hope they do bring out a 2 model and fix the; 4K 60p internal, AF and tilt screen...and had the current one met that spec, I’d already have one!

Only if you shoot purely video and have no consideration for hybrid shooting, ie, stills + video. Based on that chart, I could say, "hey great, I only shoot 10-15 second 4k 50p clips and would add in maybe another 10 or so of the same length 4k 100p, so I'd be OK". But this does not take into account: A: The camera simply being switched on and left on which begins to heat things up. They all do of course. B: Shooting stills which further heats up the camera. All cameras do this also. What currently is the big unknown is just how much impact A + B will have on the video side other than an impact it does have. So yes, some workarounds may exist in certain scenarios for anyone determined to make the system work in certain ways, but it is not THE answer.

Camera, singular. About 10 people worldwide...but their lenses, 10’s of thousands.

Actually, that is pretty good. Why are all cameras black (or silver?). Canon make white lenses so in regard to these overheating beasts, out in direct sunlight, a white body is going to reflect more direct heat than a black body.