MrSMW

It's another reason why at this point in time, I could not justify either. I think the overheating issue in both would 'probably' be less of an issue for my use than for some others, but the jury is still out on that one. But over the last couple of days when I have been considering various future options, cost reared it's head again and I'm looking at 2 bodies with 2 lenses minimum and calculating 10k+ euros...and immediately coming to the conclusion, waaaaay more than I can comfortably spend early next year. And then I look at the price of the metabones speedbooster for ef lenses for my XT3's and do some maths and whilst $649 or whatever they cost seems high, actually when it's a pair plus a couple of decent f2.8 zoom lenses, I'm looking at more like 3k euros max. Coming round to the A7Siii though as a strong contender...but the cost of investing in a new system...

Well that’s not going to happen but the question why every one of them seems to have failed in one area or another is the 64 million dollar question. I have a feeling the Nikon Z6s will probably be that ‘one’ other than for folks prejudiced against Nikon. Or an XH2 if they don’t cock it up, though some will cry, “but it’s not full frame”. Neither have cinema lines to protect unlike the other 3 so can really pull out all the stops in the video department yet not neglect the stills side. If you have the time...as many of us currently do, then those are the two spaces to be watching with most interest.

Not asked of me I know, but if it was not for the overheating controversy (and whether that would even be an issue for my own hybrid needs I don’t know at this time), it would be my first choice right now. A pair of them matched to the RF 28-70 f2 and 85mm f2 and I’d be set and never need to change a lens or use a monopod as I do now. That 28-70 is a beast...but it’s a featherweight compared to my current combo of; Sigma 18-35, Fringer Pro, Anker powerbank and monopod (with XT3). Replace all 4 of those items with the 28-70 f2 would be a dream. And that is my consideration, - the sum of the whole kit and not just the camera body. The Sony looks good as a pure video tool, but has 3 strikes against it for me; colour, IBIS, 12mp. Could I live with it? Maybe, but only if it was the best option out there and for me it isn’t. My hope is they either sort the Canon or at the very least it turns out to be OK for my needs. The XH2 will need to have zero compromises to beat a sorted version of this Canon. And I’m a Fuji fan.

I will see your 2.5k and raise you by 500. I’d prefer 20mp though as I need a genuine hybrid and would prefer the latitude for cropping.

Always a bit of a weird one that!

Ha, Canon deliberately released a camera in order to garner negative publicity?? Yeah right. Only people that say, “bad publicity is better than no publicity” ever believe that sentiment to be true. There’s a saying, “mud sticks”, but there is an even more pertinent one, “there’s no smoke without fire”. Of course Canon didn’t intentionally release a camera they will probably have to recall. Only in a tin foil hat world would anyone do that.

@thebrothersthre3 yup, a lot of people seem to be confusing ‘disappointment’ with this very strong word, ‘hate’...

One thing is for sure, it’s a FUCKING SHITSHOW. What do Canon do? Are they actually even doing anything or is there more hype over this controversy on this particular forum bubble than there is in the rest of the inter-world? I would respect Canon enormously if they put up their hand and said, “yup, we fucked up here. Stick with us and it may not be until 2021, but both the R5 and R6 are going to get some heat management updates”. OK, the Sonyloverboys will be all over that as will a lot of others, but so what, sometimes you just have to hold your hand up, take the flak and come out the other side stronger because really it’s ‘just’ the heat issue here that is the only problem with these cameras otherwise you’d have at least one of them would’ve you?

When the talk has turned to drilling holes in a brand new state of the art camera, I suspect there may be a problem...

Here’s a thought, I could get the Sony for video and the Canon purely for stills... It would mean giving up the one brand approach for my hybrid wedding needs, but could be a ‘perfect’ set up...

Right, question for XT4 owners who previously had an XT3 and have been able to use it properly...and the question is how does the AF compare for you? I am at one of those rare things in 2020, an actual proper wedding with guests and everything. OK, the staff are wearing masks but otherwise you wouldn’t know some global pandemic has been going on. I’m still using my trusty XT3 as my workhorse and in all this recent new camera talk, I had almost...but not quite, forgotten how good it is since I shot my last wedding a staggering now near 10 months back. Actually, better than I remember and with Fringer Pro (first version) and Sigma 18-35, even eye focus works well up to about 10 metres. The only thing I am missing is IBIS. I had planned on replacing my 3’s with 4’s this year but Covid + the financials did not add up. So if the 4 can do everything my 3 can do, but off the monopod, or even a bit more, I will be a very happy bunny.

I suspect that in the entire history of cameras, there has never been as much hype, followed by pre-orders, followed by hysteria, followed by cancelled pre-orders...before a camera has actually gone on sale to the public as there has been with these two firebrands 😂

Based on what is currently known on these new boys and the existing Panny S1H, I’m still more interested in what the Nikon Z6s will be and what the Fuji XH2 could be... And fortunately do not need to make any decision until Spring 2021. Pros and cons to the lot of them and not a single one of them currently ticks my very reasonable needs, but XT4 would be closest.

But crippling it won’t make me buy anything from their cinema line because I and thousands of others want/need a hybrid and not a dedicated cinema camera...so Canon just force us to not to buy any of their products.

I think the R5 will melt the Tilta contraption before it’s fan starts spinning...

I find it pretty crazy... Panasonic seems to deliver it all except AF and though size used to be an issue for me, I’m less bothered than I ever have been right now. Sony just needs to bring their ergos into the 21st C and maybe inject a bit of soul into their product line. Fuji just need to iron out some kinks. Nikon just need to up their spec...and look like they are about to. And Canon... Canon just need to stop being complete knobs. The main hybrid contenders anyway...

With this photo news, it’s looking pretty bad isn’t it? Ah well. Never had a Canon and probably never will at this rate...

My use probably (the opposite of ‘serious’ video use) and right now a very strong contender. Hybrid photo/video wedding capture where I rarely shoot anything longer than 10 seconds, ie, typically around 150x 10 second clips over a 10 hour day (plus around 3000 still images) spread over 2 cameras. Camcorder for long stuff such as ceremony & speeches. A pair of either with 28-70 f2 and 85 f2 could be a perfect match. But it’s an expensive solution for me and currently ranked third behind Nikon & Fuji so will see where we are in Spring 2021.

Heat exhaustion. Allegedly.

Plus if we had any work to be getting on with... 🤪 Too much time for too much speculating on speculations and spec! I'm just as guilty as the next fella and have a list for 2021! Fuji currently tops it, Nikon is a close second and Canon hanging in there in third...but all the specs & speculating aside, I'm not pushing any buttons or making any decisions until Spring 2021 and these things actually exist, - XH2, Z6s, R5/6.

I had a 5 Silver once and quite liked it. Ended up selling it to a colleague as I wasn't using it. Went with the Action last year and thought it produced really good results...for those few times I did use it, but the reality for me was that on a fast-paced wedding day, it was just one extra bit of kit too far to operate as a one man band as I was already juggling; 2x hybrid cameras, 1 camcorder, 1 drone, multiple audio set ups, lighting etc... I don't have any use outside of work so it's just been sitting here since last October.

Just for you @sandro

France. PM me if interested as I was going to put it up on eBay next week at a bit more than that.

What about a cheap used, but near mint DJI OSMO Action for 150 euros including a set of ND filters? I just happen to have one for sale and for sale for no other reason than I just haven't used it as I thought I would. Used it 3 times in total!

I answer the phone to cold callers as "Chow Yun Fat, International Movie Star, what can I do for you?". Yes, I do. Confuses the fuck out of the person trying to sell me a new kitchen. Other times, I try and sell them wedding photography but that also confuses them. Buuuuuuuuuuut otherwise, as above, agree with all that, - society is just becoming so shallow. It changes all the time because it has to change but currently it's heading in a pretty horrible direction. The thing I always ask myself is, "who are these people?" because I don't know any of them!