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@Chxfgb I think the 'secret to life' these days is not to read the comments section. Anywhere. Ever. I sometimes look at places such as DP Review for kit reviews and news etc, but avoid the comments section like it starts with a C and has a 19 in it.

I'm a long standing member and actually it's a very friendly place and no silly tiffs that ever get out of hand. Disagreements at times yes, but it's very well moderated. It is not an especially 'technical' place other than for Fuji and yes it does have a dedicated video section but that is basically even more dead than the dodo. In short, it's more a fun, Fuji user hang out than anything. Which is fine. The complete opposite of Fuji Rumors however where the comments section is utterly toxic combined with a lot of general muppetry. Anyone with anything useful to say is shouted down by the trolls in their mothers basement, very quickly. DP Review is bad enough at times and I try and stay away from all the negative places as what's the point?

12mp is easily enough for printing ‘large’. What 12mp tends to lack is much post-cropping latitude. As a working *cough* wedding photographer, 12mp wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if it meant ‘better’ low light capability/quality and the rest of the spec was not compromised.

The saying is “if you have lemons, make lemonade” 😜 But that would be about the sum of it for me also in that I was expecting a proper AF alternative to the S1H but it seems the R5 is really a more photo orientated camera with some video capability rather than the other way round. Please can one of them just get it right soon?! Great IBIS, 4k 60p 10 bit internal, great autofocus, twin card slots that allow back up and at least decent heat management issues, in which case shut up and take my money. I think Fuji or Nikon are going to get there first as both are literally one step away and Nikon is probably going to tick all those boxes with a Z6s very shortly...

Exactly. Same with every manufacturer. Make your dedicated stills camera, your dedicated video camera and your dedicated hybrid camera and folks can choose depending on their needs, but there is no point in making anything near identical with no purpose. Panasonic did pretty well with the the S1H = video orientated, S1R = high end stills and S1 = decent hybrid all rounder.

I normally use my XT3 on a monopod, continually charging from an Anker power bank, 9-15 hour mainly outdoor weddings in SW France, usually a minimum of 30+ degrees C, often in direct sunlight and it can and does get hot, but I never had so much as a warning light all last year. But I mainly only shoot clips all day long, in 4k 50p, h.265, 10 bit and switch off between shots just as a habit without even thinking about it. I have used one of my XT3's however for 30+ minutes (with battery grip) by manually stopping recording at a convenient point and then immediately switching back on, such as between readings, but again, it has got hot, but no warnings and has never shut off. Shooting 4k 25p. For long static stuff such as ceremonies & speeches, I normally use a Sony 1" camcorder on a tripod and was planning on dedicating an XT3 next year for all longer 'video' work when I upgrade my 'filming' camera, but now after reading various reports etc here about over-heating in general, I'm rethinking that and think I'll not risk it or go with a camera with a fan such as the S1H.

I joke. Mostly... It just seems that lately, some folks want and expect the moon on a stick, but also, camera companies have been letting us down to a degree. Most of the Fuji issues seem to be because it's IBIS is not as good as a gimbal. Panasonic gave a lot, except it seems autofocus. Sigma gave us fantastic image quality, modularity and size, but left out pretty much everything else. First gen Canon had some weird specs. First gen Nikon less so, but still some issues. Olympus decided to go to one of those special clinics in Switzerland. Sony have...well Sony have not been doing anything for some time and hope we don't notice their horrid little body. Now Canon announce the 'grail cameras' (cue heavenly light and organ music) but it turns out they hoped no one would notice they become hot, switch off and have a little lie down for a while. It all depends on your useage of course. I don't think the limitations of the R5 or R6 would affect me at all and so both will undoubtedly be great hybrids. Same goes for the rest above except the Sigma which would be far too frustrating for my needs as much as I want to love it, but I could probably swing the Z6 (it's successor sounds luke warm to some but sounds near perfect to me) and I know I could make the XT4 work. But I can see why some feel frustrated. I'm a bit frustrated myself with all of them because with them all there's a degree of, "why the fuck did you not just...??!!"

But at the same time, they forgot to add auto focus. No one out there is quite ticking all the boxes are they...

Pretty accurate I think. I don't know what some are expecting or want but these are DSLR style bodies, primarily designed to shoot stills with video capability. Is it realistic to expect to be shooting endless video or making feature films with this kit? To an extent, you could, but why would you when there is more suitable tools for the job. If I'm going to shoot anything longer than 5 minutes in duration, camcorder goes to the job. Unless I am missing something here, I don't get what some of the fuss has been about with camera releases recently. The XT4 gets slated because you can't walk down a street talking to it for no other reason than to point out it's IBIS is not gimbal-like. Well duh! OK, there also appears to be some micro-jittery shit and a few other issues for some and if that is the case, fair enough, it's not good enough. But anyway...which of the several Canon threads is this...? Oh R5. Looks to me like the most capable mirrorless yet. For it's intended purpose. But then again I could be wrong and have not seen any of Canon's propaganda. Are they marketing this as the ultimate filmmakers tool?

This looks quite interesting to me... The ONLY things that stopped me moving to Z6's for hybrid work last year, was the lack of 4k 60p 10 bit internal, so if an updated model gets this, anything else is a bonus and it will be one of the strongest contenders for me in 2021 along with Canon R6 and Fuji XH2. Happy days as far as I am concerned!

Amen brother. For so many...too many, the glass always seems half empty and the focus is on what they have not been given. There is always going to be some kind of compromise whatever choices you make.

So right now, based on what we know, would it be R5 or S1H?

Is it not a hybrid camera rather than a pure cine camera? For anything longer than clips at a wedding such as ceremonies & speeches, camcorder. Problem avoided. Never had an overheating issue at any wedding and most of mine are outdoors at 30 degrees C plus and sometimes over 40 here in SW France. And those are temps in the shade and humble XT3. If anything, it’s the operator that can overheat but ice sprays and a cold cloth around the neck plus hat and litres of cold water limit the issue! Who/what is this camera designed for? I see it as a hybrid. Ha, apparently this is a HOT topic 🥵 in the forum topic titles!

And non-US prices, ouch! I suppose whatever the economic situation, people still find a way to buy stuff if they want it.

Well it’s all interesting...but that is as far as I am going to go right now. And until Spring 2021. This year has been shit for work and if the remaining jobs go ahead, it’s still only max 25% turnover. This is the biggest decision maker at this time but for now, XT3 is all I can afford and need. The lack of both a dedicated stills/video switch is not so great for the hybrid wedding shooter and nor is the (lack of) ability to write video to the second card, both of which the XT4 can do. So I am going to sit on my backside, watch with interest what Sony bring out, see if Panny bring the mythical GH6 into being and my prime interest, see if Fuji can bring an XH2 to market by April latest next year. Plus the real world samples, tests and reviews of course.

Hello! Couldn't give a crap about internal or external raw video or 8k or much grading. Tried f-log. Hated it. Tried HLG, ditto. Cooked up my own recipe for getting it 'right' in camera (or at 90% of where I want it to be) and the result is start in the morning and finish in the afternoon, export, upload, clients happy. This is exactly what I, the self-confessed not a 'serious filmmaker' wants and needs which is why I like and use Fuji over anything else. I'm not exactly dripping in cash, especially not this year, but could otherwise comfortably run to a S1H's or even Canon's new R5's if I felt those manufacturers offered what I want and need. But the simple fact is they are overkill for 'hybrid weddingographers' (TM) like myself. Partly what my post the other day about Pro-Mist filters was about. I'm not interested in sitting behind my PC all day long and so the more I can get out of in camera, the better. I like Nikon's colour. I like Olympus's colour. I like Panasonic and Canon and Leica and...Fuji offer me what I like most though regardless of cost and I'm even sticking with XT3 over XT4 as it suits my needs better. And this is where I think Nikon need to get off their arse and that is offering a product to a particular market whatever market that may be. Possibly Nikon's biggest problem at the moment is not so much what Nikon are not doing, but what Fuji, Canon and Panasonic are doing and Sony were doing. They are another that need to up their game. Having said that, they all keep leapfrogging each other in various ways from time to time. XT4 is quite popular now despite a few IBIS and AF wobbles. Once the R6 and R5 are launched, it will be yesterday's news. More innovation and differentiation and products that people actually want to use please!

Actually I made this a while back just to get an idea during lock down and my nearest camera shop that stocks anything like this is a near 5 hour round trip: https://camerasize.com/compact/#800.408,772.408,795.786,814.815,ha,t I can hold my XT3 in my hands and having fondled a Z6 last October already know how that compares in principal but the S1 at the shop was behind glass and the guy working there too busy so I could only look...but it's considerably larger and as I work with 3 cameras (albeit one being on a monopod), it would add to be quite something...something I moved to Fuji to get away from. That's not a pop at the S1 by the way. I still like it and without Fuji would have been the strongest contender with the Z6.

Yep, I'm one of those 99.5% and one of the principal reasons I moved to the Fuji X cameras when they first came out...along with liking a challenge as it was back then. It's the principle reason that put me off the Panny S1. With the lenses I'd use, it's too much chunk. Nikon's Z's are barely bigger than Fuji XT3/4 or Sony A7iii other than grip. Those S lenses are also a pretty decent size & weight. @Nikkor I wouldn't rather shoot with a cellphone over a 35mm camera, I just do because it's more convenient. I ALWAYS have my phone but have to choose to carry a camera. I've bought and sold too many compacts these last few years because I always end up using the phone. Maybe that's the answer for Nikon, - make a pro camera phone?!

Before I became a Fuji user, I was a Nikon guy. When the Z6/7 was announced, I wobbled...but then righted myself after I read about the single card slot and no 4k 60p which I was already shooting in the XT3. I nearly had another wobble this last Winter after handling one because though it is a bit plasticky, I do like the ergos and the looks. But came to my senses again as it simply did not have the spec for me. I am a fan of the lenses though and would have gone for the 20mm, the 35mm and 85mm f1.8's and never wanted for anything more. I could have lived without the twin card slot safety net and if it had had 4k 60p, would have jumped on it. I hope they do get back on track and produce something special soon.

I like Sigma. A lot. I liked the concept of the FP and I think it bodes well for an FP2 . The FP tempted me so much but the reality I knew was not going to meet my needs. I like their lenses. I personally find their fast primes a bit big but think the 18-35mm f1.8 is one of the greatest lenses ever made. It's just a superb thing for the price. I wish wish wish those APSC primes were available in Fuji X Mount however and came close to going with them recently but the adaptors required decided me against in the end. But I like them in principle and mainly hope they can bring a camera to market with few or no compromises. Looking forward to hearing what they have to say.

Has the employee responsible for their most recent release been fired yet?

@MurtlandPhoto this is going to sound slightly disingenuous and I don't mean it to be, but YouTube compression etc and without 'before and after' it's impossible to judge. Despite this being a visual media, I'm more going on typed, "I tried the 1/8th and it was a bit weak but the 1/4 was perfect" x37 forum members/video channels. But as has been mentioned above, usually you just have to try these things yourself and see what floats yer boat!

@heart0less considered, watched comparison and other types of review and based on all factors, went with the Freewell twin pack at £200. As long as I don't have any lenses above 72mm filter thread, I'm good for the rest of my career! (I have a feeling that when Fuji do bring out the 50mm f1.0, I am going to want it to replace the Tamron 45mm f1.8 and it's going to have probably an 82mm filter thread...)

OK, maybe I'll do that some time soon...

I'd like to see Olympus cameras and lenses continue to exist and be developed but think it's an utter fantasy that this will be the case. I hope I am proved wrong. But suspect not.