MrSMW

Ah, a little further elaboration... I use the 16-80 on one body with tripod, ie, static for ceremony & speeches only. The Sigma 18-35 is on another body and freestanding monopod for more considered work indoors. The Tamron 45 takes over outdoors and with both of the latter lenses, mostly shooting wide open ie f1.8. No client has ever mentioned blur, bokeh or any other technical/visual aspect. If they are ever going to want to talk about something, it will be music choices and can they have their Ed Sheeran first dance inserting somewhere 🤯

For me (as I wrote) 😉 because the screen is in alignment with the lens and not sticking out the side. Otherwise (as I wrote) 🤠 I think the XT4 is better in every way!

Oh and from what I have seen and unless I have said this before, the OIS on the 16-80 seems as good as the IBIS in the XT4. I’d go with the XT4 if I could for all the other benefits but can’t get past the screen. Still planning on getting one though, but it will be purely for stills as for video for me, the XT3 is a better option.

I can’t find a better combo. I would rather the 16-80 was f2.8 but it isn’t. I would rather the 16-55 had OIS, but it doesn’t. I wish the Sigma 18-35 had OIS, but that doesn’t either. I wish the Tamron 45 was a bit smaller and lighter... Compromise everywhere as there is with all kit, but for my wedding video needs, paired with XT3 (not 4) these I feel are my best options. I am going to (when work starts back up in 2025) replace my current cheap Gobe variable ND with the Polar Pro, but otherwise the only interesting bit of kit on the radar is Fuji’s own 50mm f1.0. I hope it’s not too big or heavy compared with the Tamron 45, but even if it is, still might consider it if it’s the dogs wotsits for video. Generally though, I think other than the MK’s (too unwieldy and no AF so not for me) Fuji’s lens options for video is not the best but other stuff with the Fringer works really well.

Nope, it's a crop!

The 16-80mm f4 is even better. Not much bigger or heavier, but IMO more clarity and a bigger range plus constant aperture whereas the 18-55 is really only f2.8 at the widest and quickly goes f4. It's currently my workhorse do it all lens alongside the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 and Tamron 45 f1.8.

Ha, just answered this same question you asked over on the Fuji forum!

Not that I could afford one and as above, I'd go some variant of S1 for video (almost certainly the base model) but that is pretty shocking customer service from Leica. Or even pretty shocking customer non-service.

I’m not French but I live here also! YouTube: Vu Nguyen and Denae & Andrew who have bothered reviewed as had Mr Angry above. Tokina are supposed to be bringing out their own versions later this year and I am waiting to see what they are like myself.

Not quite... The difference between f2 and f1.4 is one stop and it's got nothing to do with how close a lens can focus and one may focus closer than the other. In this instance, no idea. Plus you might find a used Fuji 35mm f2 the same price as the Viltrox new, but otherwise (euro prices anyway), the Viltrox is ball park 260 euros and the cheapest Hong Kong importer for the f2 Fuji is ball park 320, but 400+ is the more typical European price. From the tests I've seen, the Viltrox looks sharper. I have the XF 35mm f2 and it's OK, but just that, OK. It's a bit of a meh lens, ie, does nothing special apart from being small and light. Unless having the smallest lens is your thing, I'd give the Viltrox a punt!

Having slept on it, this morning the Fuji options edged back into the lead

I dismissed or rather overlooked the S1 when it first came out and since as too big and AF not up to spec, but... Just been looking at 2 potential options for hybrid in 2021 and on the fence now between the two... They are: Panny S1 with the 'kit' 24-70mm f4 with the advantage of fantastic IBIS, full frame light gathering and dynamic range etc vs Fuji XT4 with battery grip and 16-55mm f2.8 with the advantage of what after a firmware tweak will probably be equally as good IBIS and around double the battery life, slightly bigger (top to bottom anyway, less width and depth) but I much prefer the Panasonic screen. I shoot 4k 50p for my video work so not a lot in that after all the various conversions, - Panny's native f4 with full frame equalling the light gathering capability of Fuji's cropped sensor, but f2.8 lens and focal lengths not much difference, ball park 30-100mm (as with the Panasonic, it's an APSC crop for 4k 50/60p). The Fuji system costs a few hundred more, but will come down a bit soon enough for around parity in 6 months or so. I'm split pretty much 50:50 at the moment between the two options, but fortunately, with no work on the current horizon, don't need to make any decisions right now. In absence of an XH2, my strongest two contenders right now. If any of my booked jobs actually do miraculously go ahead later this year, I might just give that Panasonic combo a punt alongside my current XT3 set up...and then I can flip either way in 2021. Too much time on my hands right now like so many!

I like the S1 and still considering one but has 2 negatives for me and those are it’s size and the AF. Really I would need to test one, with a lens, (obviously) but that’s not a very easy thing to do in rural South West France...

The Z6 keeps calling me also. Love everything about it except back up card slot (could live with that) and lack of 4K 60p, but otherwise just about perfect for my needs. And the ‘lack’ of lenses some talk about. Eh? Perfect line up for me personally. With it looking increasingly likely like zero weddings in France this season, it could be a contender for 2021...

Indeed. For me, Fuji native lenses are it’s weakest area for video, especially in regard to AF. The older f1.4 and 1.2 have a great look, but are otherwise terrible to use. The newer f2 primes pulse. The 18-55 and 16-55 zooms are possibly still the best, but I have found that adapting Tamron or Sigma (primes and zoom) with the Fringer adapter are nicer. Sigma 18-35 f1.8 made for me a pretty nifty twin prime set up equivalent to approx 30-60mm lens using 4K 50p and the Tamron 45mm f1.8 around 80mm equiv. I also have and quite like Fuji’s own 16-80, but it’s f4 and a bit slow for me and is not great in low light being almost 3 stops slower than those 1.8’s. The new Viltrox’s look interesting, but very sloppy aperture rings so for me, just no. Tokina however are launching their own versions later this year which hopefully will address that issue and have even better build and finish. I hate a sloppy aperture ring. Sigma’s 16, 30 and 56mm f1.4’s look pretty decent but I am going to wait and see if the wedding industry revives itself first! High hopes for the Fuji 50mm f1. With apsc crop and 4K 50p crop applied, it’s a tad long for indoor use for me, but if it’s good for video...

Telefunken-Ikonoskop-Kamera vs Nikon Z6 as a run n' gun camera? Asking for a friend.

Well, the coffin is nailed shut for me in regard to the XT4 now and as much as the Samsung is tempting, I think I'll just stick with the XT3! I am always slightly sceptical about some of the reviews and criticisms of any new kit unless I know and trust the reviewer. I don't necessarily mean 'know' as in know them personally, though I know a few folks in the (photography world mainly), but rather they deliver consistently unbiased reviews. I had someone I know (in Australia) do an IBIS test yesterday at various focal lengths, both with and without DIS on and not very impressed... The slightest movement with the DIS on, then it bakes in some weird compensation, so may as well go without it and use warp stabiliser instead. But that's a bit of a faff if it's a lot of material and I'm more about keeping my workload as low as possible, so based on this issue (I'd want it bullet-proof and rock solid and expect in time, knowing Fuji it will be), combined with price (plus extra batteries, charger et al) plus the screen I absolutely bl🥵🥵dy hate (but could have lived with it if there were enough compelling reasons...but there aren't) so I'm out. I don't hate it, - there's just not 'enough' there for me and too many other issues/compromises personal to how I like to and want to work so I'll wait and see what an XH2 may bring...

Looks like Fuji have some firmware homework to catch up on... Maybe employ a Samsung professor!

Nicest in hand, XH1 with grip. Perfect size/weight/spec, but ruined by a stupid screen, XT4. Beauty contest: X100V, Pen F or Contax G2. Most want to like, Sigma FP or Hassie X1Dii. Most lusted, the pairing of a Q2 with an SL2.

My post was/is slightly tongue in cheek... There's always a lot of criticism of any new kit and it's easy to miss the wood for the trees if it's not qualified. Initially, most of the chatter comes from folks who either don't have the kit they are talking about or don't know how to use it, - especially the shiny kit collectors who then either send it back whence it came, or sell it on after they discover it didn't make them better photographers/videographers. I had a pair on order but then cancelled them due to the current C word. I've watched quite a few reviews and tests, some from people whose opinion I trust and others who are from the cast of The Muppet Show and for MY use which is static, handheld, every single bit of stabilisation switched it on, additional crops and all, it looks good. But as I say, for me. I do think though that some folks think it's going to replace a gimbal and it's not, but it should be able to do slow steady pans I agree. But I've gone against the thing now in favour of carrying on with XT3's because of the flippy flappy out the side annoys the tits off me screen. So if the wedding industry ever gets going this year, I will soldier on with XT3's until an XH2 comes along and hope they don't fook that with a silly screen 🤪

Without reading back this entire thread, when folks are reporting wobbliness and artifacts and any other issues, can you please confirm at the same time whether this is based on having an actual production version in your own hands or whether you are simply parroting back what you've read on-line. Cheers 🧐

XH1 style body XT4 internal spec XT4 battery Err...struggling now. I don’t need or want any more than the above. Maybe a full-frame sensor that is a lowlight monster topping out at 20-24 mp max, but otherwise I’d by happy with that!

Ha, only yesterday morning out of lockdown boredom, I started to develop the germ of an idea to look at adapting old glass to a modern XT3. I know it’s not a new concept, other than to me personally. I have taken a good look at various modern manual focus adapted lenses, but they lack something for me. But by the close of play yesterday, I’d ordered a Fotodiox adapter and discovered a Pentacon 50mm f1.8 which will be my starting point. Point? Get back some of that less digital feel in camera without having to resort to LUTS and all that tweakery. XT3 apsc crop losing some of that corner rubbish + Eterna profile. I’m hoping for some good things to at least keep me amused whilst we are where we are. Intrigued by the FP though and would love to have a play, but no chance right now. @Andrew Reid I know it’s a ´big question’ but how does the FP compare with the XT3? Obviously one is ff and the other apsc and one does not have mechanical shutter, but would be interested (as I am sure many others would be) how these 2 stack up.

Wow, wish there was something like this for my OSMO Action as I’d like to use it more, but for my needs, these things never have enough reach...

Yes, this has been my problem with my own Air. Sometimes it will fly miles and other times hardly any distance. On other days, I will update the software etc the day before a job (weddings) but then on the day, can suck up an entire battery just doing some new latest essential software update it now has to do and then calibrate the fucker 37,000 times before it will fly. As a result, I don't really trust it, have 3 batteries and use it in a very limited way. I'm not buying another any time soon though as zero income right now anyway!