MrSMW

The funny thing about all of this for me is that until now, I always thought and said that Lumix didn’t do enough marketing of this nature. This time they seem to have invited every CC out there…and it’s all got a bit controversial. Upon reflection, the S9 although perhaps a little overpriced, looks a decent enough thing…for it’s market. Whether this current shitstorm will make any difference in regard to YouTube marketeers remains to be seen, but probably not so more storm in a teacup probably.

I’ve heard that MrSMW would have preferred the Tamron version because it’s a bit more compact, lighter, less ugly and doesn’t suffer so much from lens creep…but that ship has sailed anyway. What MrSMW would prefer to exist is something like a 40-120mm f2.8 that does not extend and weighs sub 1kg/2lbs. And an S1R mk II and then he would happily hop over back to L Mount for his stills needs, but at this point in time, Nikon bodies with flawless adapted Tamron E Mount lenses is doing a sterling job 👊

Sounds about right…also being a resident 🤪

There’s quite a few ‘R Us YT’ers Full of Shit’ videos already uploaded, I guess in response and there will be others. Gate opened.

Interesting… I think at least within our community here, if not the wider one, we have been anticipating for some time, a sequel to the S1 line. With the launch of the Leica SL3 a few months back, now would have been the time? But who was asking for this S9? Possibly there is a demand for this kind of thing, but not in the circles within which I move (which are admittedly very limited under this rock) but it something about this whole launch does seem a bit ‘off’? Or maybe I have been watching too many conspiracy shows…

Which real world for those that don’t get too hung up about spec sheets, is not really any kind of issue once there is; a grip or cage, lens, mic etc attached and ergos are FAR more important. For instance, my Nikon Zf vs my Z6ii. The Zf is a more capable camera, but the Z6ii kills it for ergos hence why I am very much looking forward to a Z6iii that will hopefully not only combine the best of both, but add to it and allow me to switch out 2 bodies for a single one. There’s a compromise with that (there generally is) but one I can live with and the benefit for my needs outweighs the slight negative. And then there is the price… I think the S9 is a tad ambitious. To me it’s more like a 1k camera and will be within a few months on the used market. That’s when I think it might be worth picking one up, back end of this year. But only if it’s going to serve a purpose. I don’t know what is going on with Sigma, but I would have thought they were perfect to fill this niche. An FP’3’ would tick a huge amount of boxes for filmmakers, photographers and Cuntent Creators…

I’m in the maybe not camp. If his piece had been about YouTube, then yes, possibly, but it was about Panasonic and a certain culture that exists within YouTube, bit is not YouTube itself.

Ha, like the opposite of what they did with the G9?! I was giving this camera a little further consideration and came to the conclusion that it actually does everything my S5ii does THAT I USE, but in a more compact and lighter body. I use my S5ii as a purely handheld, run & gun, 4k 50p, unit along with Smallrig cage, side handle, Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 and Rode Micro. I could see a use case of a more compact version of that using the S9 as a base. I would then ideally move the S5ii over to being a stills unit but have already established I don’t much care for it in this role, so I’d need to sell it. So used trade in price vs new S9 price. What would I gain and what would I lose? Gain = smaller & lighter Lose = stuff such as; recording length, potential overheating, twin card slots…stuff you might call ‘pro’ needs. So on balance, would the S9 make a great small run & gun video unit? I think without question yes, but I’d need to test it in worst case real world scenarios to know I could fully trust it whereas my S5ii has seen and passed a full year of that and sailed through. I could also see it as a compact stills unit with a set of small Sigma f2.8 primes such as the 24, 35, 45, 90, but for my kind of work/needs, despite being a prime guy at heart, zooms are what I need.

Back in the day, I used to attend a lot of workshops and made quite a few friends from within the community as a result. Very quickly, this is what workshops became about. Not the subject or learning, but a ‘legit’ excuse to spend time with friends who live too far away otherwise to socialize with. Without question, a lot of the hype of being flown to Japan, accommodated, wined & dined with your chums, is going to have a big impact and make everything seem brighter and shinier than it might otherwise have been. I’d just feel more than a bit grubby though if I felt compelled to only report the good stuff…but then I don’t have a YT channel, am not a Cuntent Creator, nor ever will be because it just does not interest me.

I have been steadily unsubscribing from so many YouTube channels in recent months because I have become tired with all the BS. New camera reviews (which tend to be previews) that are based on an all expenses paid trip, have seen the biggest cull. Sorry, but I just do not believe for one second that you cannot be anything but biased if you know you are unlikely to be invited on another if you don’t say only, or at least mostly, positive things. Zero issue with folks chasing free trips, sponsorship or making a living however you wish, but I don’t have to support it and I don’t by clicking the unsubscribe button. If I’m going to delve into reviews, it’s going to be from folks who bought the thing with their own hard earned and happens months after the launch and after extensive real world testing, ie, almost certainly working pros rather than content creators who by the very nature of their chosen path, need to flit from bush to bush like butterflies. This does not mean I cannot be interested in the launch of a new product or have hopes and desires for Future Product X, but simply a case of not being sucked into the hype.

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Yes. I shoot all my longer form static stuff 4k 25p and all the handheld elements, ie, ‘clips’ 4k 50p so am in S35 mode for most of it really and for that, the S9 could work. I would not trade an S5ii for one, (ha no!) but as something small & discrete, I guess it would work, especially with either/both of those small zooms or any one of the 3 compact primes. And as a fan of; smaller, lighter, faster, it’s something I might have considered if I did not already have the S1H in the static role and the S5ii as that handheld option, but for me otherwise, nah. To be honest, I’m not even sure how any S1 line replacement would even be an option… What could an S2H do that my S1H cannot do? For my needs. Nothing I want or could think of. What would something new give me above what the S5ii gives me? Ditto, nada. The only real thing the S5ii lacks for me is a better shutter mech for stills and I wish it had a higher res rear screen, plus was a tilt and not a flip out, but for my video needs, ‘Peak Camera’. Not ‘PC’ if we’re talking pulling stills from video, but that is another topic and I am resigned right now and this late on my career to probably see that out with separate tools for stills and video. Which is why I fooked off to Nikon for stills where my needs are better served. But that is also another subject and not pertinent to this discussion!

I think right now, if I was going to get/use one, I’d treat it as an APSC camera and go with the Sigma 10-18 and 18-50, both f2.8, for an equivalent pairing of 15-27mm and 27-25mm and be done with it.

Yup, that's what I want to know. Fingers crossed it is the camera I hoped the S5ii would be, but isn't quite... Not by much, but 'enough'. I suspect it might have something to do with the RED acquisition as maybe...just maybe, they have delayed it in order to at least roll out 'something' with it. I thought April as did many, but it's June next week and still no actual sign. I've got the tools right now I need, so for me it's more a streamlining want. Sorry; ZE V1. (I can never remember what order the letters and numbers come in) Bit of an issue I agree. The Sigma 28-70 f2.8 even is a bit much for a so called 'compact' camera and the 18-50 f2.8 is a much better fit, but takes everything down to APSC crop mode. Which is not necessarily a bad thing for the intended market of this camera. But the f8 lens, come on. Not necessarily the lack of any shallow DOF which is more an 'artistic' thing, but it's a killer for anything remotely low light without cranking up the ISO to stupid levels. Concert/gig photography for instance at f8? Err, no thanks. And also having to potentially fight that e:shutter and banding. I don't want to hate on the thing and could even make a case as a back up/personal camera...but actually even that would be a very weak case and I just would not. Not for me but maybe is for some others.

Initial reaction, Panasonic dropped a dud with this release. Quite a few folks were interested in an L Mount rangefinderesque PannaLeica along the lines of Nikon’s Zf and Leica’s Q3, a true ‘vintage inspired’ but ultra capable hybrid. This is not it. Without the grip, this thing for any extended use is going to get frustrating fast. Not that you would want to use it for any extended time because for video you are capped to prevent it from having a meltdown and for photo, it’s pretty limited. So that leaves the ‘Content Creators’ (but seriously who would pick this over say a Sony EV Z1?) and willful photographers or videographers who enjoy trying to wrestle with less than appropriate bits of kit when better options exist. An ‘updated’ Sigma FP for 2024 this is not. Disappointing, especially with no sign yet of a replacement S1 line…

Two issues right there for me, not that this camera is really anything that is designed for my needs, but always worth at least a look. As a Nikon Zf user, even with the aftermarket grip by Smallrig, it’s in no way as ergonomically good to use as my Z6ii and when any Z6iii appears, I will move over to those for sure. Unless old Panny Boy throws me a curveball with either a S1R or S1H replacement. But it still leaves me with a lens dilemma that I won’t bore anyone with again, so I will leave it there! This ‘S9’ sounds like the Panasonic love child of the Sony ZVE1 and the Leica Q2?

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Well that is pretty decent. In that case, I might look even harder at the system next year… The R3 is for my needs the best body currently on the market. A Nikon Z6iii with additional battery grip is probably going to beat it…maybe…for me and as someone now 50% invested in Nikon, almost certainly where I will be going. But at the end of every season, I review my needs and Canon could be an option, especially now that Sigma have joined the party, but would need to have brought out a pretty extensive FF line by next Spring. I think Canon really do need to lighten up on their lens stance though or it will bite them in the arse. If it is not already nibbling…

Actually, what am I blathering about?! The only time I need the EIS is for tracking the couple, outdoors, once, maybe twice. Doh. Absolute none issue. I'll simply put it on a function button! I'd normally be tracking at '42mm' and it will be '58mm'. I'll just increase the distance between myself and the subject by a couple of feet et voila. Move on, nothing to see here 🤪

Well if that is the case, it’s maybe a little too extreme even for me…but maybe not… My 28-70 will become a 58- (classic focal length!) 145mm (a focal length that has probably never existed, but who cares). Outdoors, no problem. Indoors, hmm… The 18-50 crop lens is going to become more like a 37-104mm which might be better. Or there’s always 6k 30p open gate with just the EIS crop but max 80% slow mo which might work… I’ll have to play…

I have mine set up really simply using C1, C2, C3...but then I am a simple guy 😜 C1 = 4k 50p, Log, WB 5500, auto ISO (+ 2-5 or 6-9 VND inc. 1/8th mist) IBIS + EIS (my 'outdoor daytime setting) C2 = 4k 50p, Log, WB 4500, auto ISO (+ 2-5 VND inc. 1/8th mist) IBIS + EIS (my 'indoor daytime setting) C3 = 4k 50p, Flat, WB 3500, auto ISO (+ 1/8th mist) IBIS + EIS (my 'near to or after dark setting) For the couple of occasions I briefly stick my S5ii on a tripod which is a couple of times at every job, I do not bother switching off the stabilisation as I'd probably only forget to turn it on again. The above just works for my run & gun workflow with this unit (Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 glued to it and in S35 mode, equiv to 42-105mm which is a perfect focal length to me) as I do not move in an out of these scenarios, but typically transition from one to another. The only thing I am not sure of is if enabling the EIS adds a further crop to the 4k 50p 1.5x? If it does, I might switch to the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 for my 'C3' setting as the '42mm'+ of the bigger (but still compact) zoom might be a but tight for some of my needs. Unless anyone knows, I guess I will have to download the firmware and find out for myself...

My personal preference is the Contemporary line from Sigma. I think these are great for photo and video users with manual aperture rings and a convenient AF on/off switch. Mostly f2 primes plus compact f2.8 28-70mm. All that is missing for me is something like a 70-180/200 under 1000g. If this line was available in Canon RF and they made that compact sub 1kg longer zoom that I need, I’d buy up some used R3’s (which are finally coming down in price) and happy days would follow.

Long since killed 4/3 for me. Well compared with the G9 and OM-1 anyway. S5ii vs G9 in the same body? Other than the longest of lenses, or unless you were heavily invested in a huge range of 4/3 glass, why would you? And the OM-1, I love it for its build and handling and even how it looks, but if I had to pick just one to work with, photo, video or hybrid, again, for me at least, it’s a no-brainer, S5ii. The teeny tiny bodies and lenses, for discrete use, fair enough but for work, nah. I still don’t much care for it for stills though which is why I have moved to Nikon for that. Same sensor in the Zf and Z6ii and I prefer both, in different ways, for stills and the result I am getting out of them is near identical (as in as good or better but not quantifiably) but the Nikon user experience is better. The Zf is the snappier but less ergonomically good than the S5ii but the Z6ii with or without battery grip is nicer to use than the Lumix. What I want is the guts of the Zf in the Z6ii body and that will probably be the Z6iii within the next couple of months. If so, I am done and will have the perfect pair for my work; the S5ii for video and Z6iii for stills because I will trade the Zf and Z6ii for a single Z6iii. If I had to rate them for use case, I’d say that the S5ii is more like a 65% video focused MILC and the Z6iii the opposite and around 35% video. The Zf somewhere more like 50% because it’s highly capable for both video and stills but it’s issue is always going to be it is not a great lens platform and is really only suitable for small primes. I currently have the Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 on it and the results are great and it’s not an ergonomic nightmare, but a DSLR style body is much better to work with. But back on the S5ii, it was already my first choice for video (alongside the S1H which I prefer actually in EVERY regard except AF and that is why I had to make the S5ii my primary and not the S1H) and there were only two things I held against it: 1. The shutter button sound and feel. Tinny and not great next to the S1H and that killed it for me for stills use. Moving to Nikon solved that. 2. I use it with a Smallrig cage, side handle and Rode Micro. Try that on a gimbal 🤪 The latest firmware upgrade takes it from being ‘OK’ without a gimbal to ‘absolutely perfect for my needs without a gimbal’. What else is there in this class right now? Sony A7iv? Arguably better for stills but not as good for video. Nikon Z6ii? Equal for stills but not as good for video. Canon R6ii? Some will prefer its full frame 4k 60p but otherwise I don’t think it’s quite as complete a camera as the S5ii. And if you were already in the system, no reason to change. The Z6iii will be the next interesting one I am sure, at least equalling the S5ii for video and stills but taking the overall experience to the next level. I think…

It’s also an ‘updated’ film noire approach for the 2020’s. There’s also a nod I think to Wes Anderson, but not in a comedic way and almost every single frame is a like a work of art. The locations, the lighting, the framing, how one frame leads in to another… My kind of filmmaking.

Yep, every time I invest in one, it ends up being too much for my use case. Too much cost, battery charging, transport, set up, storage etc. Just a PITA. No longer and never again!