MrSMW

They really need to do the 70-180 G2 because it has stab but is such a lightweight, compact, minimal extending lens that is tack sharp throughout it’s range. OK the build and finish of something like Sigma’s 70-200 is better, but it costs a lot more and is waaaaay bigger and heftier. It’s really only an issue if you are like me and hate curvature in what should be straight lines. As mentioned before, really only noticeable with interiors and possibly more a photo than video thing? Yes, I think if video had been my priority for this unit, I would have gone Z8 at the time and especially more recently since the Red luts became available as there is one that really tickles my fancy.

Zach Mayfield on his channel just did a piece comparing the BF with the S9. Approx conclusion = the Sigma is perhaps the better option for stills and the S9 for video, which is what I would expect and the primary uses I would have for them. If the S9 just had a mechanical shutter and all else with both remained the same, I think we’d be having a whole other conversation. It’s almost like it was in 4/3rds with Oly being your slightly better choice for stills and Panny having better video capability.

I have the 40mm f2 on my Zf and it’s a perfect match. Toyed with all kinds of options but nothing so far beats it for me. But re. the Z8, it was a VERY close call for me choosing the A7RV over it and what won it for Sony was: Cheaper ‘like new’ used Smaller & lighter Bigger sensor Mech shutter Best rear LCD on any camera Native relatively compact Tamron lenses…because there is some distortion adapted with the Megadap. But I do like the chunk and the build of the Z8 and am so glad I did not buy your Z9 in the end Andrew because I think the size & weight would have become an issue quite quickly. And I work out 🦾 Not a lot between the Z8, S1Rii, R5ii or A7RV and I’d be happy with any of them…except RF glass is still somewhat limited and pricey so the least fave option. A pair of Z8’s with adapted Sigma f2 primes could be a very nice option though…

Mr Sigma looks exactly like a Japanese version of my father in law. My father in law however does not make cameras but writes historic books. I’m still eyeing this BoyFriend camera but waiting to see what this next PB (Panny Boy) will be and if it will be a fixed lens. I know the BF is not a fixed lens but it’s kind of how I’d use it with strictly small primes only. Alternatively I might just trade my Zf for another A7RV and then flip all my zooms for primes. I’m very much favouring 2 small cameras right now with a set of small primes…

I would be very pleased if it was Tamron for their mid range compact & lightweight fast zooms, but I suspect Sigma would veto that.

Emanuel = part Confucious, part early AI bot. I literally have no idea what you are talking about...but at the same time, appreciate your efforts!

If my budget is just 1k the per body, I'm going to pair an S9 for my video needs with an S1R for photo. I don't think S1H's are sub 1k yet, not unless they are very high mileage, but S1R's definitely are. For stills, sub 1k, I don't think you can really beat it. For video, it's surprisingly good in 5k flat or HLG, but the S9 has 6k open gate so is a win for my needs. Sub 1k from any other brand, it would need top be Fuji for for me, but I could be tempted for stills with an OM-1 badged OLYMPUS.

28mm f2 with 44mp sensor min for me. If it’s anything like 24mp it’s an instant no for me. It HAS to have good crop ability. To be honest, I don’t think even 61mp works for me based on what the Q3 can do with it’s crop modes. Fujis imminent fixed lens might be 100mp and then we are talking. ’Walk with your feet” is the line folks trot out, but that is not always possible. As has been said various times, cameras will continue to leapfrog each other and LUMIX cannot afford to bring out something that is not going to beat the X100 and Q3 it would inevitably be compared to. And they need to get their naming strategy right this time. Ladies & gentlemen, I present to you the LUMIX S Warship 1

I suspect it will be a fixed lens. That will have to be a new body and surely a new lens and I assume a prime? If it’s FF, I would hope for the latest 44mp sensor. The body could be a modified version of the S9? It could be a successor to the LX100 series though. Who knows and let the speculation begin!

If I was a betting man… But again, seriously, it never ceases to amaze me how totally thick even some multi-billion businesses appear to be. I said ‘appear to be’ as in maybe they are not, but if they appear to be, to most people, most of the time, that cannot be a good thing. Any press releases, any statements or even comments, should always be vetted and considered. If you are a big Japanese company and let’s say 75% of your market is not Japan, but ‘Western as in North America and Europe’, then have someone ‘Western’ at least read your translated statements so it doesn’t include mention of warships because if it contains mentions of warships, it makes you realise that the vast majority of the text has also probably been badly translated and could be interpreted the complete opposite of what you intended. Some companies just seem to be better at this kind of thing than others…

Yep, warships in cameras is a bit overkill. But being serious, this sounds very much to me like S1H not coming any time soon and this next supposed camera announcement in April is more likely to be for a fixed lens unit?

They just don't get it. The jealous cows. There they are coveting their bags and shoes and then they get all huffy over your new BF, even if just window shopping. It's not exactly as if you've gone all the way. At least not yet. But still...

Will these wives of ours be so understanding when they read over our shoulders about how in love with our new BF's we are?

Part of the fun of this place is deciphering Emanuel's posts 😉

Indeed. Do they actually have an international working photography/videographer/filmmaker 'team' behind the scenes, or simply rely on AFTER each product launch, banging the things out to a 90% shill YouTube group? Because it seems like the latter. I think LUMIX have more cred though than Tesla as Panasonic have not mentioned the last world war at any point.

I’m one of those and keep circling round the one body with ‘one & done’ fast(ish) zoom lens vs 2 smaller bodies with a pair of primes each, one set for indoors where my needs are wider and another for outdoors where my needs are longer. So something like Sigma 28-105mm f2.8 vs Sigma 20/35/65 f2’s + 90mm f2.8 The primes in my above scenario are optically sharper and slightly faster for lower light stuff except for the 90mm. The zoom is not as wide but is longer. But in terms of handling, the twin body set up has more appeal to me. I nearly did it with Sony and their A7CR but it’s not nearly as good a camera as the A7RV. But a pair of these Sigmas could work and the only real issue to me is then not having anything longer than 90mm and by longer, I mean something in the 150-200mm range and if I did also have that, it would be ridiculous on one of the bodies! The ‘answer’ is of course high megapixel and cropping. Now if they made a 61mp sensor version such as the FP-L… ding ding ding, winner winner, chicken dinner!

One other thought is that they (LUMIX) have not helped themselves with the naming strategy. S1Rii sets certain expectations. Why not simply name it something new such as S6? It’s a modified S5ii more than anything and sits above, so S6 makes most sense to me.

I think they all are and you can make a case for or against any of them in this ballpark class whether it be an offering from Sony, Nikon, Canon or Lumix. They each have strengths. They each have weaknesses. It is the system as a whole that counts for your specific needs, plus how invested (or not) you may be in any system already. A clean sheet choice and purchase is MASSIVELY different to someone with multiple bodies and even more glass in a single system. For most, it’s therefore not as simple as Camera Body A vs Camera Body B vs Camera Body C vs Camera Body D, because it’s a MUCH bigger picture than that. In isolation, is the S1Rii a ‘perfect’ camera? For some folks, it might just be. Is it a ‘great’ camera? Again for some it will be and with time, may be considered better than it seemed at launch (S9). Or not as good. Is it better or worse than the competion? It’s better in some areas and not as good in some others but no camera is going to be for everyone. Is it a worthy successor to what came before? Possibly… It’s an upgrade over the S5ii pretty much everywhere, but not by a huge amount, but by calling it an S1Rii, it is designated as a successor to the S1R. Is it a worthy upgrade to the S1R? I think that’s trickier to call… On the whole, I think you’d have to say yes, but perhaps not as much as might be expected after 7 years and this point is one that I think is not helping it’s cause in Feb/March 2025. I still think Panny’s fundamental mistake is not having a road map in principal as in one that we, the great unwashed, are privy to plus we were all expect the S1R mk2 to be a more photo-centric successor to the OG with the 61mp sensor, but it seems to be mostly being judged on it’s video spec. My summary is I think it’s a decent thing as an isolated bit of kit, even better if you are already within the system, but overall the company continues to annoy.

They can. They just need to be a little more vocal about their product line such as: “In early 2025 we will be releasing a successor to the S1R and then in the late Spring, a successor to the S1H”. Press release. Bosh. Job done. Shuts the speculation down with a single sentence. People respect integrity. At least the folks that count do. I’m not saying Panasonic LUMIX lack integrity, but a lot of these companies could kill a lot of the stupid shit that goes on by being a bit more informative and less Secret Fucking Squirrel. In my humble opinion.

The former is good to know but define 'easy' because if it's eBay, I hate selling stuff there ad have had so many issues, I'd rather not. Not that `I am currently selling! But MPB are offering well under €1k now! Let me know because if the price is right, I 'might' be interested...

I personally would not trade an S5ii for an S1Rii for any of those things. I would however because I wanted or needed 8k. I personally don’t but it could be a reason to someone else. The trade in on an S5ii is now less than 1k so the price to trade on a new S1Rii is around 2.5k. You’d have to REALLY want one to do that! But for photographers, trading up from 24mp to 44mp might be a more valid reason. Buying either from scratch, brand new, is a slightly different proposition but when you can get a ‘like new’ S5ii for approx 1.5k, 3.5k for the new boy makes zero sense to me. Unless someone can convince themselves the upgraded bits and bobs are worth +2k to them. 2k is a whole chunk of glass options!

Possibly, I don’t really know even coming to S5ii from S5 and S1H. And S1R. I honestly haven’t noticed any real difference but then I haven’t especially been looking and changed my workflow/editing. What I do know is that I am more than happy with what the S5ii produces. Specifically in 6k 30p open gate with my LUT burnt into vlog and using a 1/8th mist VND on my lenses. I have had the very occasional weird lighting effects when shooting outdoor weddings in the evening when there are strings of lights, but otherwise not a single issue that I have ever noticed. Moire, nope. Fringing, nope. RS, nope. Other than perhaps 8k (which I personally do not want or need), I doubt if there is much if any real world difference shooting an S5ii or the new S5iiR…sorry, S1Rii. Oh I am sure there are many pedantic types out there that can prove at the nano-microscopic level there is, but the fact that they don’t have a life is not my concern.

Because you are already heavily invested in whatever system that new camera is in, otherwise agree. I think for my specific needs though, if I had to start from scratch again today, I'm pretty sure I'd still go for the same 3 video units I have and probably go for the S5iiR (for stills), even over the A7RV and Z8 and certainly over the Canon's because of their ridiculous priced lenses. Camera purchase in isolation is a different equation to part of 'as a whole'. I'm still pondering whether I might just flip my A7RV + Zf and 4 lenses for the new S5iiR and 1-2 lenses despite there being compromises, because there are certain benefits. Indeed it's not exactly light for what is a fairly limited zoom range, but for my indoor needs, it's the best single lens in existence and is 2 fast primes with a rotation of the wrist. If they can make a longer sibling such as a 45-90 and keep it f1.8, that is it, I will have my lens pairing for life and would choose my camera system to fit around that pairing. It's partly why I am with both Sony & LUMIX at this time as in they are the only two that natively can use these lenses and you can send them in to have the mounts replaced if you need to. But NOT having (or ay sign I am aware of) of that longer focal length sibling, the 28-45 currently doesn't have a place in my line up.

Oh and why not S1R's? Could be an option but whereas MPB have 10x S1H units, they have 0x S1R's. They do as of today have 4x S1's, but I don't think I'd choose an S1 over an S1H...

It's actually quite tempting... A pair of used 'like new' S1H's can be had on MPB for basically €3000. Add an 18, 35, 50 and 85 f1.8's from LUMIX or 20, 35, 65 and 90 f2's from Sigma, and I'd be good to go. I'd still need something longer, 70-200 equivalent, but could probably pick up a used older lens for that need. Hmmm... I'm talking primarily stills here, albeit with an option to go hybrid or even pure video if needed and this pair of S1H's in addition to the S9 and pair of S5ii's I already have. All within budget trading what I already have from Sony, Tamron and Nikon.