MrSMW

I think an intern using ChatGPT writes this shit.

Ha, I don’t think you are a conspiracy theorist but simply stating what a lot of us Lumix users are thinking. At EOSHD and even on YouTube in general, we might only make up a small percentage of actual purchasers and because of that, maybe the marketing dept. at Lumix (mistakenly) think we don’t matter, but I agree, they consistently don’t seem to really understand marketing. Or maybe I/we don’t and they are correct with their approach… But I think not. It’s almost like some obstinate “we would rather cut our own noses off than change” mentality that holds them back. It’s not like they are the only one’s… How hard for instance does your insurance company try to retain your custom every year? I bet not very. How much would it cost to retain you? Less than they spend on attracting and discounting new customers. They get away with it because enough people just can’t be bothered to shop around each year so just renew. The issue here though is that folks are a little more interested and invested in the product and brand than they are with insurance. Folks WILL and do go elsewhere. Not that it makes much real world difference to me, I just don’t like stupidity in any form 🤪

But that doesn’t make sense either… Since the S5ii, other than the GH7, they have been slightly controversial releases to say the least. I kind of get the G9ii using the S5 body and I understand there is a market for box cameras but no one was really asking for the S9 and I gave that one a go myself, but nah. What brand loyal folks are actually ASKING for is a next gen S1 line. It makes me question my loyalty to this brand which I have been using in recent years as what they offer has suited me but only up to a point. It still suits me, for my video needs anyway and I am pretty sure will for several years at least because other than one new lens purchase next year (the new 28-105 f2.8), I am actually 100% content with the kit I have. But they lost me for stills at the end of last year and continue to do so without any ‘S2’. If there is no successor to the S1 line, I suppose it doesn’t even matter because at some point in Year X, I’d need to update my kit because it won’t last the rest of my career being realistic. I just think though that in principle, companies need to do 2 things: A. Look after and retain the customers you have plus B. Release new stuff on a reasonably regular basis because that is the lifeblood of most business whether they be a camera company, a car manufacturer or a business selling fragrance. Lumix are one of the best with firmware and their products are somewhere between solid and the best, but they just seem to fall short of their potential as a whole when it comes to brand loyalty. Having said all that, I do think an S1 line successor is coming and I reckon it will be a 2 model approach rather than a 3 because I think the S5 line has replaced the S1 line, so going forward, a video-orientated unit plus a stills one. Possibly any delay…if it is a delay is because one of the models was not ready and rather than drip launch 3 different models as they did previously, they wish to launch the pair together? And that is what I would want to do if I was Lumix because the power of 1+1=3. Get some pre-launch excitement going in this last quarter with an official announcement it’s coming start of 2nd quarter next year and start of next year, ie, 1st quarter, drop some very big hints as to what.

And the box camera came after the S1H last time? Maybe there is a market for the box camera, I don't know, but YouTube isn't exactly asking for it, but what do I or they know... I doubt it as it's 4k only and there's no way they will release any S2H as 'only' 4k as they will be laughed out of business. Reads to me like an update of the BS1H but with PDAF and lower dual native ISO's of 400 and 2000 vs 640 and 4000 of the B/S1H. It's all a bit odd...unless I am missing something?

Now serious, - where is the S2H and the S2R eh Lumix?

‘Multi-Purpose’ camera. What purposes are those then other than shooting video? Does it shoot stills? Does it make coffee? “For emotional and cinematic video”. First I cried. Then I laughed. Then I got all serious and finally kicked the dog. Who writes this shit? 🤡

Square pegs for round holes IMO. Sure these things take increasingly good photo and video and can you get ‘professional’ results from them? Of course, but should you? For business use, for me, can’t ever see it, but mainly because of the ergos. Using a phone without rigging it out, isn’t great and of course for any pro work, whipping out your phone out of your back pocket and holding at arms length? 😭x1000 On holiday or at a festival etc, why not, but beyond that, nah.

I’d be fine with a higher base also if it meant a bit more DR. Could always do with a little more if it’s available!

20 I think would be a very acceptable figure.

Are they? My perception and experience of Sony lenses is that like their cameras, they are more on the compact size? Not actually ‘compact’ as such, but generally slightly smaller than other brand counterparts? Although I own a Sony camera, I don’t own any actual Sony lenses, only Tamron and I specifically bought into the whole system because they offered the lightest and most compact full frame combinations for my needs.

First Ukraine, then EOSHD. Slightly different tactics this time round starting with slipping in a few responses in Cyrillic and see if anyone notices. But nothing gets past The Beard. Israel has ‘Iron Dome’. We have @IronFilm Agree, they won’t, it’s far too bold and anyway, people will point and laugh at a tiny 10/12mp sensor and quote ‘2010 you losers’. Plus whilst a dedicated video unit might suit some users, the hybrid market surely is much bigger? S1H vs BS1H, - how did that work out? Case in point…though I am just one user, I used my S1H as much or even more for stills than I did video. I do think though the same body with 2 units is the way to go, basically identical in ergos and operation etc, but one being more video focused and one more stills. I like what Fuji did with the XH2 and XH2S. Bigger sensor for the stills unit but skip some of the fancier video spec such as 100/120fps and a few ‘pro’ codecs and have all that shizzle in a smaller sensor video unit. They could probably get away with something around 20mp, but any lower and as above, people will snigger behind their hands and bitch openly in YouTube comments.

Maybe it’s time they began to think in a more ‘Western’ manner? But then again, maybe the Asian market is bigger? I have no idea… I’m a strategic planner by nature. I want to know what I am doing next year and the year after and 5 years down the line with my business. If I had a company, brand loyalty would be my number one priority, not leaving any and every next model to pure speculation what it will be, never mind if it will even exist. And I get they want to keep their secrets to themselves as much as they can, but I think they are too secretive about it. Does it hurt sales for instance if there is a timeline for the next model? I doubt it and we can assume and speculate it will be ‘better’ than the last, but give us an idea at least. I don’t know if they still are, but Fuji at least used to have a lens road map. I think Lumix kind of had/has one, but one they more add to as stuff appears which is less map and more product list. Ultimately it’s their business not mine, but I think it hurts them more than it helps them.

I'd rather companies made a few statements that got customers talking, positively and remaining onboard! IMO, what is the lesser of two evils? Over-promise and fail to deliver but at least have kept the ship afloat a while longer, or, Keep quiet, cause potentially a lot of negative speculation leading to customers jumping ship from fear? As the saying goes, better to ask for forgiveness!

Basically what killed it.

Which was the deal-breaker for me with the C70 and would be with this C70 and towards the end of last year, I was seriously looking at switching to Canon for the; 28-70 f2, 28-105 f2.8 and 70-200 f4, plus an R3 for stills/hybrid. Having said that, the C70 was probably a bit overkill for my needs anyway and I would probably have been better with a pair of R3's and an R6ii, but it didn't happen anyway so... C80 looks a bit of kit though! But nah, I'm quite happy with what I have.

Because neither of their own bodies have it, possibly a bit of an omission to not have it in the majority of their lenses? Many of the slightly older now Tamron primes had VC, their nomenclature for ‘OIS’ but fewer lenses these days, prime or zoom, seem to have anything, I presume because of the rise of IBIS? I was shooting an outdoor mehndi ahead of a Bengali Muslim wedding today and once again, it highlighted the gap in my lens arsenal… The 28-70 is great indoors. Light, compact, fast enough at 2.8, but outdoors, I don’t want to be in people’s faces, it’s not how I work and the Lumix S 70-200 f4 (underrated sleeper lens IMO, due to being relatively compact, under 1kg, constant aperture and internal zoom) is perfect for the longer stuff…but sometimes…most of the time even, I want to be able to shoot wide’ish and a second later, long’ish. I am still considering the option of the Samyang 35-150 because with that, I could possibly do away with both the 28-70 and the 70-200 and would have no need for the 28-105. But it’s big. It’s heavy. It’s not internal zoom. Well neither are (internal zoom) the 28-70 or the 28-105 and with the former it’s neither here nor there, but less keen on how far the 28-105 appears to extend. Hmmm…choices, choices, choices, which is actually a good thing to have, but maybe I do need to go for the true ‘one and done’, the 35-150, albeit at the expense of size, weight and external zoom… The curveball in all of this is not actually not so much the lenses, but whether an S2H and/or an S2R appear because then having an all L Mount lineup of 4 bodies rather than my current 3 Lumix for video and 1 Sony for stills, because my stills unit can then double up for hybrid duty… Anyway, it’s not a big deal or a ‘need’, just a potential option. I won’t make any moves until early Spring 2025 so still plenty of time to see what happens in the L Mount camera and lens space.

I probably won’t though for stills for a couple of reasons. First one is it can’t really replace my current line up of; 20-40, 28-75, 70-180. It’s a near perfect line up for me with the 28-75 being my all day workhorse, the 70-180 being my ceremony, speeches and couple lens, with the 20-40 being my after dark dance floor lens, so it’s not like I am continually lens swapping all day long, just at a certain points. Could I swap all 3 for the 28-105? Maybe, but with compromises at both ends plus having a lens which yes, does weigh less than all 3 combined, but individually makes for a relatively heavy unit with the Sony A7RV compounded further because I’d want to swap my baseplate for a battery grip. I think the system I have is a better one. For video though, yes. The compact and lightweight 28-70 has been my sole workhorse now for 2 seasons, but with a criticism. Shooting 4k 50p last year, it was perfectly long enough at 105 equiv but too tight at 42 equiv. This year shooting 6k 30p, it’s plenty wide enough at 28, but 70 is a bit short for my outdoor needs, which is about 70% of any job. 28-105 constant aperture f2.8 is both of the above use cases solved immediately so this lens is a no-brainer really for next year. I had the Leica 24-90 last year but too big, too heavy and not constant aperture. It was a great photo lens but less so for video. The weight of the 28-105 is just within my self-imposed limits and the only thing I do not like is the external zoom, but hey ho. The next thing I’d like to see is Sigma make a sibling to the 28-45 f1.8. That WOULD change the game for me, for stills at least. The 28-45 for indoor work paired with something around 50-100 f1.8, also with internal zoom, on a 60+mp sensor body and that’s it, I’m done for the remainder of my career, whether that be on my current A7RV, or on a potential future Lumix S2R. Ideally, an S2R so it’s all within one single system, but either way I would not be too fussy as both options would be unbelievably good.

I’m sure he was a character from Viz back in the day? Fnarr.

If only there was a member of this forum who uses L Mount for video and Sony for stills who has been praying for a ‘one & done’ constant aperture f2.8 lens ranging from 28 to about 100mm whilst weighing max 1kg. If only there was a member of this forum this lens was designed for…

That’s what I think. Did Nikon just buy it so a competitor did not, or do they actually have a plan? Because if they do have a plan and don’t get the fuck on with it, that ship won’t just have sailed, but most likely be sinking fast. Time will tell, but I suspect the former owners of RED who cashed in are breathing great sighs of relief when Nikon signed and then actually gave them money.

At the end of last year, I almost…almost, went to Canon and the R3 for a number of reasons, body and glass, but what stopped me from pulling that trigger was their used ‘like new’ prices, so I temporarily went Nikon with adapted Sony E Mount glass. The latter is another story and in the end, I went fully E Mount for all my stills needs, but the ‘funny’ thing was, MPB dropped the price by around 1k shortly after. It was almost as if someone had got the pricing wrong and then realised or it was dropped in anticipation of the R1…but then they put it back up again! Not all the way up, but IMO still over-priced. I think sometimes it’s just a timing thing with them because I have had some great deals from them on kit, both cameras and lenses and sometimes if you are not desperate, it’s worth having a stock list email set up with them so when new stuff comes in, you get pinged. Wish I’d held on to my Leica 24-90 now as those things are selling at around 200% of what I sold mine for last year 😏

Yep, it's a big issue for me also. I still like to read stuff over being talked at, but some sites just do not help themselves, sometimes with multiple ad pop up shit all happening at the same time. It just repels anyone with half a brain...

MPB used prices for 'like new' are often like that for some stuff I find...

It’s a tricky one for sure because sometimes it’s just his wife burning the toast again.