MrSMW

OK and he is more photo than video…

Which is pretty much what every LUMIX user wanted, not 8k. Even if it’s 8k capable, IMO they should have launched it with up to 6k spec and left everything 8k for the future firmware upgrade. Except they botched yet another release. With the S9, it was that stupid f8 lens. I think 8k at this time is a similar scenario because you want folks talking about what it CAN do. LUMIX has a problem with the number 8.

And one of those people is me. I have struggled with the stills side of L Mount ever since I moved to it from Fuji X. The OG S1R was the closest, but never had the lenses until recently and now it would be a big move for me to go back to that having a smaller, lighter, MUCH faster and generally more capable Sony A7RV. The image out of the SL2 would do it for me, but the S1R is a better camera to actually use in real life. The SL3 is the only Leica that actually ticks all my boxes for stills, but is ridiculous in price. Sigma design I think is fanfuckingtastic, but otherwise their cameras are far too compromised for my use case. The S1Rii could have been the one and but for the sensor, would have gone for it as it does just about enough everywhere else. The body size & weight and ergos gets a tick. The rear screen is better than the S5ii, but the res is not as good as I would have liked. Shutter feel and sound still unknown. But it’s the sensor for me not being the 61mp of the FP-L/SL-3/A7RV that was the ultimate deciding factor for me. And the benchmark for me, but not watched his review. In fact I have only watched 2.5 reviews of this camera and seen enough. The S1Rii had to at least equal, if not beat the A7RV and IMO, it does not. Final nail in the coffin = €3600 preorder price vs €2300 trade in on my A7RV? Err, no.

Well that’s not very good is it! And somewhat surprising as I have had my S5ii’s rolling for over an hour @35+ direct sunlight in 6k 30p. Never even had a warning. Very odd.

I think so but as a LUMIX, it has to have a gazillion video options. I get why most manufacturers believe they need to appeal to the broadest base possible, but at the same time, they miss the mark as a result. Personally, if I was Mr LUMIX, I’d offer 2 cameras at the same time and say, this one is the photo one and this one is the video one and both would be able to tread on each others toes a little, but would otherwise be clearly defined. Here though we have folks running 8k 1 hour plus tests and calling something a failure because it overheats. FFS, who needs to record continuously in 8k?

Not expecting anything really and actually, out in sunlight (most of my work) a lighter or more reflective colour is actually going to absorb less direct sunlight such as all black camera bodies do. Yes, this time next year, it might be a bit better for me as I think it's €3600 pre-order in the EU but 12 months time, they are going to be circa €2500 probably on MPB and I'd rather buy used for major purchases such as bodies and lenses. Something I did not say in any of my above ramblings was/is if I was shopping from scratch today, I think I'd go for one over even my A7RV...as a 4th/stills camera to my other 3x LUMIX cameras. Just not going to switch at over €1k more for the LUMIX. At parity, cost-wise, OK, I could make a case. From a video perspective, I don't think I'd trade an S5ii for one. Not unless you absolutely had to have 8k or 6k full frame. I wouldn't anyway. I do think down the line though, it could be on the cards for me as my principal stills unit, but we'll see...

Alphagvrd wrap!

I think they are sisters?

Ditto. In a moment of incredible self control, I have decided to pass. I think it's an upgrade over the OG S1R, probably... For video, yes, for stills, probably not much if anything in it. I was looking for and hoping for a 1/2 price Leica SL-3. This is close, but not close enough and the benchmark is my A7RV and the new LUMIX does not beat it. I'm not sure for stills it even equals it, but real world, there would not be so much in that. I've run the financials and it would cost me approx €1200 to go sideways with less focal range, albeit with less kit and be within one system, but there just isn't enough for me to make it happen. At least not at this time, but I will look at it again after this next season and before the new one at the same time next year. In fact, other than flipping my 3rd S5ii for an S9 and possibly getting a few primes for that within the next few months, I'm sticking with what I have and focusing on the craft this year as the tools are already good enough for my needs. I really hoped between LUMIX and Sigma, they would produce something for me to give up my A7RV, but nope, nothing yet. And I am far from being a Sony fanboi !! I am however going to do this 😜

Agreed. I think the most likely route will be to combine the S1H with the EVA1 with that other unit that is rarely mentioned, the BS1H, ie, a modular box type unit. Based on what know about the S1Rii, which is most of it, the 44mp sensor is an obvious choice? Whether it then has internal ND that the market is crying out for or not remains to be seen but that would be big. I'd be happy with an adapter between lens and body that exists for a few others (Canon?) if it cannot happen in body or at the expense of some other feature but I really think that the ommission of IBIS would be a mistake as it limits so many potential users. Anyway, today is S1Rii reveal day so I am looking forward to seeing exactly what it is so I can make a decision and as of right now, I'm still on the fence... For my video needs, I am covered with 1x S9 and 2x S5ii. This is set in stone and will not change. It. Just. Works. For my stills needs, the options are: A. No change ie, A7RV + 3x zoom lenses; Tamron 20-40, 28-75, 70-180 f2.8's. B. Flip the above for S1Rii + 2x zoom lenses; Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 (indoor/low light), 28-105mm f2.8 (outdoor). C. Stick with the A7RV, but flip the Tamron lenses for the Sigma lenses. The first pro of the Sony/Tamron set up are; greater range at both the wide and long ends, though my need for either is marginal, especially with the Sony's ability to crop harder. The second pro of the Sony is the 61mp sensor, the greater detail and ability to crop harder. Third, I have it, so no fucking about changing system. The only real 'cons' with the Sony are the lack of in camera crop markers and the more limited lower light capability of that sensor, especially combined with the f2.8 lenses. A flip to the Sigma f1.8 short zoom will resolve a lot of that. The pros of the S1Rii are: 1. It brings everything in house. I still don't know about the batteries, but I'm guessing they are the same? 2. Has crop markers and I can also shoot stills that match my video LUTS SOOC. 3. It will have the new and shiny factor for at least the first job of the season. The 'cons' of the new LUMIX are I wish they had used the 61mp sensor from the A7RV/SL-3 as expected. My current thoughts are right now that the A7RV will make better use of those Sigma lenses and the S1Rii would be a better option for me if I could use it with those Tamron lenses! The A7RV with the flip to the Sigma lenses is probably the best of the 3 options for me, both on paper and in the real world. Final decision later today...

I was thinking about this last night (bored until my season starts so a lot of time for thinking...) and decided I prefer the FP body. If only they had used that and offered a silver version. And added IBIS plus a tilt screen and optional grip, I'd have been all over it. I don't mind the internal storage though I get the arguments against. My biggest concern with this new BF is I think it's too minimalist. Sigma for me make some of my favourite lenses but their cameras continue to frustrate. I applaud the innovation, but just wish they'd add at least some of the features that would allow a huge number of us to actually buy the things! Just taking the S9 as an example. Is it lacking in any areas? Yes, a few, but when comparing these two, it's a better platform for most with its two big advantages being a flip out tilt screen and IBIS. And then there is the loss of DNG raw. I never had the chance to use it, but that was one of the big appeals of the FP line, - at least the ability to use it. Yes, 6k open gate probably has more practical real world use for influencers and TikTokkers, but... But ultimately for me, where it fails, is it's too small and minimalist. I still like it though!

They could easily use the same body and offer 3 models; FF, APSC and M4/3 though obviously the latter would require a different mount. Nothing stopping use of existing L-APSC lenses on this though!

Yes and as a stills camera, I would 100% choose the Sigma (subject to it receiving a grip) over the Lumix no question. But for me, not for video, simply because I’m a burn my LUT into my footage kind of guy and that is what I can do across all 3 Lumix cameras. But again 🦾 Sigma. Despite the stupid name 🙈

Really nice work!

OK, for my stills work, I’d be very tempted for a pair of them, provided some kind of grip appears which I assume it will, paired with their; 20mm, 35mm, 65mm f2’s and the 90mm f2.8. But that is where I hit a snag; 90mm being my longest option as 24mp does not allow for the kind of cropping I’d need to achieve consistent quality 150-200mm shots. And no, having a prime of that length would not work for me as it’s too rigid a focal length and nor would any zoom work because it would be too big, too heavy, too awkward or too slow. Umm. Like it, but I was hoping for at least a 40mp sensor and a bit more real world, my use case, use ability. I otherwise like it as I do all Sigma cameras. But not to actually use. Ah well, it makes my decision making progress more simple being able to remove this new body from any equation.

But seriously? I can't tell with any certainty these days what is fake and what isn't until there is an official announcement, but this is not looking good...

Never mind no; grip, IBIS, second card slots, 4k 60p and all that, this one doesn't even allow for any kind of video or photo capture but simply has a voice recording device so you can describe the scene or quote poetry.

The pic on the left is the after, not the pic on the right.

That ^ is Dave, well known camera reviewer and influencer. Normally ends his reviews by smashing the kit to pieces. And here is a pic below after he went on the Matt Granger diet.

This along with 2 other factors, might swing it: 2. In camera crop markers which my current Sony does not have. 3. High quality matching super slow mo. Otherwise, I agree with several others in this thread and that is I don't think this one is intended as 'The Video' one but like most cameras these days, has to have at least decent video spec. The pure photographists will moan about that all over the interwebs, but they are just being unrealistic about the market `and what manufacturers have to do these days.

It works perfectly and if I decide to sell it, I will let you know and with pictures! I got a filter adapter ring stuck and had to use a pair of pliers to remove it causing some damage to the thread which then meant in order to use a filter again, I had to use some of that black weld stuff to adapt a new filter adapter.. I don't even really notice it as it's all black on black on black, but it meant I kept the thing rather than sell it. I still might keep it as a 'walkabout lens' though as currently the S9 with it is my best answer to having a compact EDC...

Which in an about flip from everything I posted above, is something else I am also considering because there are a couple of ‘niche’ things I am thinking about bringing into my capture and edit that I cannot currently do, but this new boy would allow and all within one single system which has great appeal. I would not flip one of my S5ii’s or my S9 for that ‘need’, but the S1Rii might just cover that off despite being a primary stills option for me…

Not all about, but quite important. The OG S5 was/is awful. The S5ii better. A7RV better still. The S1H best I have had to date. But no, along with the crop markers, not a sufficient reason to change! If I stick with Sony for my stills, I might just switch my lenses though from; 20-40, 28-75 and 70-180 f2.8 Tamron’s for the Sigma pairing of; 28-105 f2.8 for all things outdoors plus 28-45 f1.8 for everything in. I do need something faster indoors and have been eyeing the latter lens for some time and that pairing on the 61mp offers some decent cropping which just about allows for the loss of the 70-180. If I flip my lenses… I think I’d have to chuck my Zf into the equation to make it work financially as that was going to be my lower light lens with ‘something’ f1.8 or faster. I do have the E-Z adapter so could otherwise keep the Zf and all 3 Tamron lenses and not flip them for the 28-105. Decisions decisions decisions… But not until or just after the 25th because Sigma might just be about to throw a grenade into the mix.

And for stills over the A7RV that I already have…?? In camera crop markers. Err, struggling. It’s not looking like being any kind of upgrade for me and possibly not even a sideways one…but still waiting to see the official announcement. And what Sigma might have cooking…

He’s a well known camera reviewer who wears oversized trousers (pants to the US brethren but trousers in the more civilised world who can also spell words like civilised properly) with his pockets stuffed full of camera gear like flashes and tripods and snacks. Who the hell are Jane’s Addiction?