MrSMW

Yep, always said a slightly smaller, slightly lighter, but otherwise S1H body/shutter mech/rear screen etc, would be PERFECT. If we can have something like that, I'm halfway in. Then I am the other half, ie, all in. I think Andrew is referring to the body/build/physical stuff rather than it's capabilities? It's not 'trash' as such, far from it, but it's not built like the S1H and I'm not just talking size/weight/heft, but stuff like that rear screen, that top display, shutter mech feel and sound etc... Are LUMIX going to actually release something a bit special...??!! Also, from that other thread, have you got a particular hat in mind if it turns out to be the case, ie, not the same sensor as the SL3? 😋

Well maybe, just maybe, they are going to replace what was a 3 model system with a 2 model and that will be a more photo-centric option that was previously the S1R and then a more video-centric one which was the S1H, but use the same sensor? They would need to differentiate these in some way or folks would just say, why did they not just make the one camera. Maybe, the S1R replacement will be your more trad DSLR type body and for the S1H 'replacement' will be more box/modular? The 'S2R' would maybe have mech shutter but the 'S2H' would do away with it? As I have said multiple times, I'm not really in the market for an 'S2H'. Interested, but it's not on my need list. Any 'S2R', is going to have to compete and be at least equal my A7RV and a smaller sensor is a mark against it already. If this rumour is true... If anything, I would rather it was larger than 60mp! If it's anything based on the S5II body it's game over for LUMIX for stills for me. It's a decent enough body, but in terms of build from screen type and res, through shutter mech and feel, to overall feel, it's not the pro level body I want for my stills work. We shall find out son enough I guess...

Well maybe, just maybe, they are going to replace what was a 3 model system with a 2 model and that will be a more photo-centric option that was previously the S1R and then a more video-centric one which was the S1H, but use the same sensor? They would need to differentiate these in some way or folks would just say, why did they not just make the one camera. Maybe, the S1R replacement will be your more trad DSLR type body and for the S1H 'replacement' will be more box/modular? The 'S2R' would maybe have mech shutter but the 'S2H' would do away with it? As I have said multiple times, I'm not really in the market for an 'S2H'. Interested, but it's not on my need list. Any 'S2R', is going to have to compete and be at least equal my A7RV and a smaller sensor is a mark against it already. If this rumour is true... If anything, I would rather it was larger than 60mp! If it's anything based on the S5II body it's game over for LUMIX for stills for me. It's a decent enough body, but in terms of build from screen type and res, through shutter mech and feel, to overall feel, it's not the pro level body I want for my stills work. We shall find out son enough I guess...

Car camping! I partially built out my Skoda Octavia estate for this with one back seat down, raised boot area with slide out cooking facility under the raised rear door. Inflatable air mattress taking up 50% of the boot and the folded rear seat. Portable plug in cooler went in the front passenger footwell. Then it was going to be Porta Potti with one of those pop up toilet tents you can get off Amazon for about 100 quid, but Covid hit and I never finished the full build out and bought a caravan in the second year of that era. Which had aircon! Power on the go is always a problem, even in my MH and I have a portable battery unit that can be either charged by solar or plugged into the dashboard when the engine is running, ie, when driving is best. But my MacBook can chew through that in around 2 hours max but if I had an inverter (I think it is), I could plug in to my vans electrics and massive lithium leisure battery. On site, plugged into electric, no issues. The entire car camping set up though (without the cost of the vehicle) was less than 1000 quid, so; cooking kit, coffee maker, flask, 10 litre water tank, air mattress, 4 season sleeping bag, travel cooler, power bank battery, timber, clip on privacy screens for all the rear windows and a curtain on a stretch cord to close of the front seats. Plenty of jacked up 4WD estates such as Skoda Octavia Scout (which is what I have and on all season tires, can munch through up to nearly a foot of snow. Uphill), Audi, Subaru etc, without going full SUV, though something like a Landcruiser of course is going to have more interior room, specifically head height and can go further of road. But as you say, start modestly and go from there... Good luck with it but take a look at pickup truck campers because with that option, you could start with a camping/tent option and then later upgrade to the actual truck top camper unit if and when budget/requirement allows.

How much budget are we talking here because it’s looking like 100k+ at this stage?! Each to their own, but I personally would want a proven business in place with at least 12 months of real turnover to justify any real expense. When I bought my MH, It was end of year 22 / start of year 23, so I had proven numbers of several decades. The MH cost me approx 65k. Previously, a typical 70 nights away per annum was costing me in dinner, B&B, approx €100 per night so €7k PA. Over 10 years, that’s €70k of dead money or +€5k over what I paid for the MH. OK, it costs me about double to fuel it over my Skoda Octavia and there is annual insurance and servicing and that all adds up to an additional expense over the car of approx €1.5k PA, so €15k over 10 years. €65k purchase + €15k additional running costs = €80k over car & hotels etc, but… Resale of MH after 10 years approx will be around €25-30k so net saving will be around €20-25k over that 10 year period. Plus as a family, we have a ‘free’ MH for every day I am not working! But unless your pockets are very deep and your turnover/margins are going to be very high… Camper + tent + trailer + quad is where I would be starting! One other option, truck top camper on flatbed pickup because you can dump it any time to go properly off road.

Actually The Oracle Of The Dolomites has just posted to say the S2R will now have a sub 60mp sensor 🤨

I would not expect to see any real world difference at all between a 45mp FF sensor and a 61mp other than in the most extreme of crops and pixel-peeping in direct side by side tests, ie, 'fuck all'. When I went from Fuji XT3 to OG LUMIX S5, I noticed a marginal difference. I could not have told you in words what that difference was except other than the raw files were a bit 'cleaner' and had a little more latitude? Then going from OG S5 to S1R, I noticed immediately another 'jump', but this time it was more to do with detail as should be expected. Then I went back to 24mp FF for the best part of a year before going to Sony A7RV and I would not call it night and day, but the clarity and latitude in the Sony files is on another level to LUMIX/Nikon 24mp files. After shooting most of last year with the A7RV (and I am talking purely stills here, not shot a single second of video with it) I went back to dabbling with some 24mp FF and they were definitely lacking compared with the 61mp sensor files from the A7RV. So I would expect any 'S2R' to be as equally 'ahead' of any 24mp previous or current gen LUMIX camera and that is one of my 'deal-breakers' for me to chop my A7RV in to get one. And ideally, multiple crop markers as per the current FF LUMIX cameras because I want to shoot in 3:2 aspect ratio with a 2.4:1 and a 9:16 overlay with every single frame. And 61mp, allows me an APSC crop with a 26mp file, with marginal more detail than a FF 24mp file. A 45 or as in the old S1R, 47mp, is about 18mp which was and is OK, but I'd rather have more so I can get the Sigma 28-105mm f2.8 as a genuine 'one & done' lens.

OK, sorry to hear about the health issues but that then leads me to think a motorhome with a quad bike on trailer is perhaps a better option? First, you have all the proper facilities in one single vehicle, ie, proper bathroom, kitchen, bedroom, office etc. Second, you have an off road vehicle to go off the beaten track with. Motorhomes/campers are a bit of an investment, but quad bikes and trailers are not so much and cheaper than a specialised travel trailer? If it's something VW'ish like a T5/T6, you can get away with it as a main 'family' transport also. Our MH is based on a Citroen Jumper van and though it's an 'off the shelf' pro factory build rather than a custom or self build and it could be used as every day transport, but it's not ideal for that. A 5-5.5m camper could be but 6m (mine) is pushing it a bit. The only thing with campers over motorhomes is you don't get a dedicated bathroom which is fine for short trips, but anything running into weeks, could become an issue very quickly. I used to watch a lot of those van life videos on YouTube and it was hilarious (and ridiculous) just how many of these kids think they can live in a van with no bathroom. Van conversions can and should be built around a bathroom as a very high priority IMO!! Most camper users stay on sites with facilities or the occasional overnight at the coast or similar, but I can park up in a venue car park and be self-contained for up to a week. Of course expeditions can be done on nothing more than a motorbike and tent, but as with all things, where and what is your compromise? My MH is my office, my home and my sanctuary on the road.

My money is on the same 61mp as in the SL3 and the Sony A7RV. There is a second rumoured LUMIX camera supposedly going to be announced in April if the information coming out of a certain mountain shed in the Dolomites is accurate and maybe that will have this 45mp sensor?

Curious as to why as I thought you lived in the UK? "Trip up to Scotland". I used to do a lot of field sports photography and went EVERYWHERE the Landies, Rangies, Shoguns, Landcruisers went in nothing more than my first gen and then a second gen, Nissan X Trail(s). OK, they had Yokohama Geolander tires on them, but that was it and they aren't that serious an off road tire... https://www.grip500.fr/pneu/255-60-18/yokohama-geolandar-x-at-g016-gp1552854?utm_source=compare&utm_medium=google-shopping&utm_campaign=tyre&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAC7HhBsoc7IWXQh_OvrqL4FevXYJL&gclid=CjwKCAiAqrG9BhAVEiwAaPu5zoxmhHdIXxEk067WnVZ0Ygsd_1i7eqZ1N4iS_HbLgri0YKg97Dgw1RoChx8QAvD_BwE Both very reliable as in never had a single issue with either. But off-road travel trailers, maybe... There's a company I looked at who if I remember correctly, were in Poland who made a really great one, but in the end, I gave up the field sports stuff (couldn't make any money from it) and focused on my wedding work. I had a caravan for 2 years, from 4/5 years ago and will be going into my 3rd season (out of 25 in total) with a compact motorhome this year. The advantage of the motorhome is the second part of that word, - it really is a home away from home (permanent; living/dining/work area, kitchen, bathroom and bedroom) and I spend up to 6 weeks in it on certain trips. It is not suitable for off-road stuff however. It's got some all season mud & snow tires on it, but the reality is they are shit. Or at least combined with the crappy traction control. A dry dirt track is about the limit, though there was this time I got lost in the dark on a rutted woodland track and had to press on as there was zero chance to turn and if I had taken my foot off the gas... There's always a compromise somewhere and various options including a roof top tent. I considered one once and they look fancy, but the reality is, they are stupidly overpriced because you can have a tent on the ground for a fraction of the cost which you can actually stand up, have furniture in, ie, actually 'live' in. I think they are a gimmick other than if you are afraid of scorpions. A 4WD compact motorhome makes most sense but they cost a bomb. On a tight budget, something like a well maintained ex-school run, used 4WD with some decent tires and pretty much any kind of fold out camping trailer makes next most sense because as long as that also has some decent tires, at the end of the day, it's just a fairly lightweight towed trailer and a lot of the articulation happens off the tow hitch so as long as you are not going flat out down endless off road tracks...

I also would not be and am not jumping off the good ship L Mount until we at least know what is coming. Or not coming. I guess it depends how invested you are in the system though and how well it is working for you… For me, for video, boxes ticked. For stills, not quite as things stand. On this video centric forum, an S2H will be of more interest and I am interested, but at this time, think it an unlikely purchase for myself. 1/2 price Leica SL3 however, almost certainly ticks the photo need box.

Z6iii does seem the obvious choice. Z6ii and OG Z6 have a very nice image but the AF is a bit clunky. Zf is also very good photo and video, especially low light.

Yep. It is not that the camera type does not matter, but there are literally dozens and dozens of options. I would simply A. set a budget and B. set out a list of 'must haves' and see what matches up. As a LUMIX user, I could just say go and get a used S5II off MPB and a couple of different focal length f1.8 primes and you are done, but other options exist. For between 2500-3000 you'd be golden. I don't shoot travel docs, 'just' weddings and for me it's just unbeatable all factors considered; cost, size, weight, performance, near gimbal like IBIS settings, higher end AF. Pretty much all some folks complain about is not having full-frame 4k 60p but how many really NEED that? I've considered Canon several times but would want to go down the RF lens route and it then falls apart for me. I've considered Sony and it just doesn't have some of the features I like that LUMIX does. I've considered Nikon and other than pushing the budget up to Z8 levels, doesn't work for me. M4/3? Could work but I've never really been able to go back to that after tasting full-frame. But as above, A + B and go from there.

I am equally as confident that my camera is capable of burning in my LUT saving me hours and hours of grading per job and no client ever has, or ever will ask for me to do anything further with the end result. But then I am the opposite end of making movies and just a hack wedding vidiot. It will not stop them asking me however if I have any footage of random Aunt Jane who flew in from Canada chatting with uni friend Sandeep with Uncle Herbert in the background chatting with my mum. Nor is there any more footage of your empty dance floor. I once had a bride list 3 things I had not captured: 1. Blossom on a particular tree outside. 2. A chandelier that was in the entrance hall. 3. A brown leather sofa. But I digress…

Just because you can doesn't mean you should and I understand why the big production houses do what they do, but if the camera type was undisclosed, no one other than the folks who worked on the production would ever know! 99.9999999999999% of the consumer population do not peak behind the curtain because they have zero interest what is behind the curtain. (It's a little old man in a green jacket playing an ARRI organ. Or could be an S5II/FX3/iPhone 17 organ).

Is about the sum of it. The camera is possibly…probably even the least most important part of the equation. So why is Hollywood not shooting all their features on the S5II? Because apart from the occasional ‘we did this with the FX3’, or, ‘shot on the iPhone X’, the entire industry is built around big & expensive cameras. Pretty rare I expect.

100% agree 100% hope not! But then as per my many previous ramblings, I am 100% covered for the rest of my career with what is available for now from LUMIX for video and for photo, if there does turn out to be nothing more, also already covered with Sony. There is not a single body or lens not currently made that I need or would ever wish for if it doesn’t happen. I’m good. Any future purchase now are just choice things to either make (work) life things a little easier or more fun. Need no longer exists.

Maybe, but... Is for me anyway, my gripes against the S5, the S1H and S1R. To be fair, they were and are OK in most situations, more photo than video, but it was the forward tracking on video where I struggled. And the size/weight was a bit more than most wanted but actually not a deal breaker for me. With the S5II, they solved all of that...except according to some, at the expense of outright image quality. I am not seeing that myself, but probably more because when I switched from OG S5 to S5II, I also switched lenses, filters, from editing with a LUT in post to shooting with a LUT baked in, in camera and from 4k 50p to 6k 30p. The S1H is still my favourite video camera of all time except for 2 factors: 1. The AF tracking. 2. Cannot bake in a LUT and so does not fit with my workflow so was replaced with another S5II. For stills, I switched from S1R to Sony A7RV and it's night and day better IMO. Marginal in IQ if we are talking web and social media, but when I am editing stills images, a positive difference. Could also be the lenses...and my heaviest combo in that regard is a whopping 1kg lighter in hand!! But principally, it's the entire experience from the size & weight, through speed and accuracy and then the actual editing and IQ. I'm still on the fence whether I will go for the S2R/S1RII or whatever it may be called but the rumour mills are adamant it is going to be announced in a few weeks and if we get wind of more than a few being in Norway around this time, that might have been the likely place for the influencers to have gathered as a couple I have noticed of LUMInati have just been there for 'something'... My fence sitting is purely down to the A7RV and the 3 lenses I have for it. Combined, they are the near perfect solution for my stills needs and the only thing missing from the lineup, is a dedicated fast aperture low light AF lens and I have held off on that until I know whether I am going all in on L Mount (subject to that S2R), or sticking with Sony. Head says Sony. Heart says LUMIX. Wallet says either.

The next one will be the RX100 VIII: FFS Gen A That series peaked for me with the V and then they went all super zoom which wasn't for me.

I always wanted the 'next gen' one, but of course it never appeared and the OG's were so over-priced until recently 😏

€1500 🙈

MUCH better value if you don't want or need the software which 100% turns every shot into a 50mm f1.0 Noct.

Ouch, but you get a free red dot with it so... Still, at 260 plus a years sub plus several more years of subs, still cheaper than a new compact. And the main point being, I would actually use it.

I think I'd go for that over any compact today. It's a 'one and done' solution isn't it. I might pick one up as the main thing that stops me having an 'edc' compact is I can't be bothered plus when it comes to actually using my phone, the ergos are shite. I would actually use this. The only down side is, I'd then convince myself I needed something more up to date than my iPhone 13...

I'm floating around the idea in my noggin of going for the 16 + 30 + 56 all f1.4 instead of the FF 18 + 50 f1.8s + 100 f2.8 Not as wide, not as much reach, but used, I can pick up the APSC trio for well under €1k. Having said that, for me, it's not all about lowest price but rather a consideration as part of the whole. And those FF primes from Lumix are not much bigger and heavier than those Sigma cropped lenses and I can keep on shooting 6k 30p open gate... The/any S2R is going to be my trigger on this, but then having said that, part of me doesn't want there to be one so I can keep my A7RV 😜