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Nice trolling on your part. You don't know the price of the S1H right now. The Z7 was never built as a cine level camera. The S1H is roughly $4,000 and could be higher. The S1R is $3,700 so do the math. The full frame readout Z6 with 12 bit RAW video at $1,700 or the S1H at $4,000. Again do the math and compare the two in cine money. I'm not building my camera rig based on the S1H and 4K 60fps ( most likely having a crop). Did you say the EOS R is vastly superior?

Correct - Te Z7 is in the S1R range not the S1H range. How could that be a possibility? The Z7 body goes for $2,996 and the S1H is $4,000 and $5,600 when you smack a lens on it.

The S1H looks like a beast of a camera. It is also $4,000 and the Nikon Z6 is not $4,000. This video mentions the A7III as a camera on the market but we all know that is not a camera that's leading the market for video in any way, at all. The Nikon Z6 could get 4K/60p with an update like the S1 so you never know. Again for $4,000 you're in cine camera money and cine cameras don't over heat like the S1H is said to do from Panasonic. Not sure why you're taking digs at Nikon.

Color science

Which Sony model do you have? And how do you find the CS?

The difference is the things a praise about the Z6 can be backed up in picture quality. These improvements over the A7III include: - Better IBIS - Better color science - Higher data rate for video which gives you more information - Better 10 bit video that you can see with you eyes. No banding - 12 Bit RAW is coming so check this on the list - Better media card - More future proof Again this is 2019. You want invest in Sony A7III or the GH5 m 4/3 go ahead. I'm not. No way. Most others are on the fence also. Also - bad color is bad color no matter if it's stills or video. Why are you bringing up smartphone sensor size compared to m 4/3 ? That's my point that m 4/3 is not full frame. M 4/3 can't do what full frame can do just like smartphone sensor can't do what m 4/3 can.

It's not that at all except this is 2019 and if I'm putting $2 - 3 -4K on a camera I want to do my homework. If I had the money I would buy a pure cine camera because of the S1, S1H and Z6 RAW market. It's unsettled right now. My Z6 has worked well and paid for itself already but I'm not one to invest in glass if I'm not sure of a system. I never ever thought I would own a Nikon camera for stills or video. Andrew proved Canon color science destroys Sony color science and if I has a Canon I would shout it out loud also. It really is a beautiful thing. Canon color science is also better then Nikon but Nikon holds the second spot in my opinion. Update: My views on the P4K has changed for the better because of this message board and so has being open to other camera brands that I don't own.

That's a spec. Smartphones do 4K @ 60p. Full frame 4K 30fps ful sensor @ 10 bit - what m4/3 can do this? None because they aren't full frame.

Here's the info about the Z6 that you must not know or acknowledge: - The Z6 has better CS then the GH5 - The Z6 has full frame sensor readout at 4K - 10 bit - The Z6 will do RAW Pro Res soon - The Z6 had AF that actually works unlike the GH5 - The Z6 has EYE AF - The Z6 has a ton of Nikon glass you can use and the same with cine glass you can rent. I never said I bought the Z6 for photography. The Z6 actually destroys the GH5 for photography all the way around. What m4/3 camera can touch the Z6 for video or photography? I am open to the P4K and S1 as other options for video and will wait and see. That means I'm not tied to Nikon unless I want to be. I do have the Z6 so I am in the game. Do you own a Sony A7 series camera? It's helps if you do because then we would understand why you defend bad CS from Sony. Sony hit a home-run with the A7III because it was the right time behind the GH5 and before the P4K. The same Nikon that you claim is dying is the ONE company that put out a full frame mirror-less camera with 4K full sensor read out with 10 bit. Not Sony, not Canon but Nikon. "That is a reason the Panny GH5, EM1 mk II is so popular." <<< These cameras aren't that popular in 2019. The market has changed and people are waiting and using what they have.

You seem to push Sony for photography but you called that out as the shits and that no one does that. That the EOSHD was for videographers. It's ok I'm just trying to remember your comments about photography and say the Nikon Z6. CS in photography is mega important in everyones book. Sony is good or great at PR and you seem to have jump in all the way. PR is great and other companies are lacking at it but Sony PR has become paying YouTube influencers to promote half truths while flat out lying about Nikon and Canon so Joe public sways his opinion just based on a talking Sony You Tube review. Sony pushed it's gamma and curves way up past the point of colors being unbalanced all for the purpose of controlling low light and de-noising it's image. Doesn't silent shutter introduce rolling shutter for photography? Video AF tracking works great on Canon and Nikon and EYE AF for video is another gimmick. Are you telling me your focus when using video is so locked on that we need EYE AF for video? C'mon. AF video tracking has been solid for a while except for the GH5. This. If the new stuff is a joke CS wise then why are you tying your horse to Sony?

Geoff - you posted two of the crappiest YouTubers of all time. Red is that Red. The 1DC images might be oversaturated but nothing plastic about how those faces look. You could defiantly grade them to your liking but good accurate color is just that. Take is talk and posting images that show Sony color is up to par with Nikon and Canon is another thing. We can do the all day long and Sony would come in third place out of Canon, Nikon and Sony. And I like Canon color over Nikon from what I've seen.

Sony A7's color sucks ass all day long. You can't argue with the picture Andrew posted and if you've used a Sony you know this is true. Nikon CS and Canon CS are the top companies right now and Sony doesn't have a clue or they would have fixed it. Sonly pushes it's color curves around and they disrupt the color balance in a picture. With Sony you have a small window to get color correct if at all. This is why you have colors that are just off in Sony images. If you get good skin tones with Sony something else will be off. The blue sky, brown woodwork or blue jeans will be off. And the EOS-R doesn't speak for Canon because that camera is falling in line to what Canon is not the other way around.

Canon or Nikon shooters are not switching to the A7RIV - they will all wait and see what their brand is doing.

That camera you describe does not exist even at $6k in a smaller form factor like the Z6 or S1, S1H. I like the Atomos / Nikon combination if the team up helps us get RAW 4K.

Do you think we Nikon Z6 owner jumped to soon to Nikon? I haven't looked up the S1 limitations but Nikon RAW could be great when it comes out. Is it worth jumping over to the S1 ? It would be great to get your opinion on this. Audio would be picked up just like you would for the Z6. Like most you have a separate audio set up. No need for the $1500 Shogun 7

Well then FF cine lens with E mount then. Wire crappy thing solved.

This was meant for the wire comments and to show cine lens on the Z. Why do we have to use crop mode for the Fujinon MK18-55mm T2.9 Lens?

Can't we use Fujinon MK18-55mm T2.9 Lens (Sony E Mount) lens on the Z6 with the E mount adaptor?

I also think it will be like the S1H. Based on today's announced A7RIV I think Sony is the new Canon on holding back specs. The A7S IV will be like the S1H and 8K but it will not be 10 bit or RAW. This is what Sony does these days. Not that it couldn't have 10 bit or RAW but Sony wound give us that.

I have to rewatch this again to see if they are any clearer about a date. This is a great video about Nikon RAW if you haven't seen it. https://livestream.com/accounts/22293757/events/8598177/videos/189750242 This is an interesting thread. Have you reached out to Atomos or Nikon with your connections?

This was from an interview: At the 2:43 mark.

No one from Nikon owes anyone anything at all. People don't own a Nikon Z camera but still comment and ask for cine specs in the Z series for under $2K. Blackmagic is great but with the P4K announcement we still have to wait weeks or months for delivery. Nikon has always said summer / later this year for the 12 bit RAW video update. The Eye AF was the improvement they promised and this next one will be the same. It's tough to wait but it will happen. I specific firmware release date would help.

Still 100Mbps ? Wow. Talking about holding back. Here's Sony's problem. By making the S and R series, what happens when the A7SIII or A7SIV has to be so great at video (market specs) that the stills photography functions now become better then the A7RIII series? This is why the A7R IV was announced first.

I've seen great results. What's the sucks ass part.............please explain.

Yeah it is but output at 6K is an issue with heat and data. We can't get 4K 30fps full sensor readout on a A7 series Sony. If they can't get this right then 8K will have the same flaws as their 4K does.