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No one was talking about m4/3 glass and what the next camera they should purchase. If all the GH5 owners are waiting on the Gh6 then that makes sense and I would do the same except if I had a GH5, like my G7, I would have already figured out that the 4/3 sensor is not even super35 size and I would have already done my research that told me Hollywood cinematographers are moving toward full frame sensors and glass. I think most Gh5 owners know the faults of the camera and what the S1 and Z6 do better already so no need for me to call it out. The GH5 is just not the camera I would recommend for anyone looking to upgrade. Yes we do the release date is in July.

It's still under the S1 when you add the Atomos and you get 12 bit Raw. I mentioned color and the GH5 brother and you should visit the Z6 thread and see how many GH5 comments get tossed around. So I figure the rules are the same for each thread. What are you talking about with full frame? You adjust your aperture and depth of field. The rig picture was that of a BMP4K that has been mentioned and as the Z6 with Atomos was called out I posted that rig picture to show how insane the comments were getting about having to rig up the Z6 with an external monitor for 10 -12 Raw. The GH5 is a good camera and if you follow comments about the S1 compared to the GH5 you'll which one has better image quality, and better color. The GH5 is relevant today but to a person investing into the m4/3 system and the GH5 over the S1, Z6 or P4K, it seems like that person has better option that produce better result and is a little more future proof.

When did I personally attack @kye? Here's a P4k lightly rigged out. How is using the Atomos with the Z6 is any different then the rigged out P4K? If shooting photo's with the Z6 you DON"T USE THE ATOMOS. What part of two companies announcing 12 bit Raw will be coming in July makes you doubt that it will happen? It's not irrelevant it's just irrelevant to closed minded argumentative people. Again - I tried to give fed back to people who asked about the Z6 or were curious and to debunk the claims that it crushed black or that it doesn't have better color then Sony and the GH5. You must have missed goober claiming his opinion as fact about the Z6 was bad and the my video still was not from video but a photo taken from the camera. And what video camera can you get for 2k that shoots 10 bit full frame 4k 30fps with no crop? (and will be able to shoot 12 bit Raw this summer.) Show me that full frame dedicated video camera with those spec and I'll take it. Good color is not subjective. Were not talking about who has the best tan. Were talking about how the camera reproduces color. The only times it's subjective is when someone is defending the camera they purchased. If I had the money I would have bought the C200 over the Z6 or maybe the P4K if it was available.

Give your take on the last video I posted, the one that you thought was a photo and not from video? Again, if the Gh5s can go head to head with the P4K then based on my comparison of the Z6 to the FS7, and C200, I know it will stack up well against the P4K. You said the Z6 can't come close to the P4k in video? Why not? Give us you great take based on my footage and your knowledge. I also said Z6 12 bit Raw against the P4K. I've hired old school guys like you that think the 10 year old cam corder is still relevant and that you can't bridge the gap between cine cameras and mirrorless cameras. I know for a fact that the Z6 compares well next to the C200 because we shot with both at the same location.

How do you know how the Z6 12 bit Raw compares to the P4k ? You don't. You're talking with no research or test at all. I'll break it down for you: The GH5s compared well against the P4K in early test because they share the same sensor or almost identical one. The Z6 has better color, video image quality and low light then the GH5s and based on footage presented to you you know for a fact the Z6 will compare well. So you my friend the Z6 can come close and then some compared to the P4K. If you don't believe my comments then look at the video you thought was high quality photo taken from a Nikon camera. Trust your eyes not what you want to be true.

Video or not is actually "A Video" - Why is this so hard to admit? Could it be the quality looked better then you thought the Z6 was able to produce? Got ya on this one. Fair enough on the other comments. I will probably test the P4K myself and see how the usability is and image quality. The price it too good to pass up on that one. I'm not sold on m4/3 glass and having to invest but will probably rent high end glass for the P4K. The P4K has to be just as rigged up as the Z6 and the video above was handheld, natural light and that was it. Me and the camera. On productions that you rig any camera out the footprint will be the same no matter what. The only add on would be the Atomos if need 10 bit or 12 bit raw. Hybrids aren't a compromise if you pick the right one. Nikon, Canon and Sony just limit feat that you have to work around. No big deal. With the Z6 I can shoot green screen in the studio during the day and shot stills at a concert the same night. You can't do that with the P4K

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People have discussions in these forums that's what they are for. I could care less if you think the S1 and Z6 are junk. But when people are looking for advice about investing in gear then the EOSHD should be great place to get information. I happen to like the S1 and Z6 based on research I've done and by owning the Z6. Both these cameras have the best video from a mirrorless camera to date outside of the BMP4K. Both the S1 and Z6 will be able to shoot 12 bit Raw and everyone knows or should know the advantage of 12 bit Raw. No one is forcing anyone to shoot Raw but it's there if you need it. If 12 bit Raw is not what you want both cameras can do 10 bit 4K 30fps with no crop. Both have great color science. Wha's not to like? Except the price. You should know you need a camera that can capture good color and you have to have a good quality base to start with. Do you think the Matrix was shot the way we see it? You argument destroys the concept that Arri color is preferred over the RED or that Canon has great color or that good color matters at all. Since when did good or great color become something to disagree with? Good color is the goal of every camera maker and cinematographer. The last video I posted was straight out of the Z6 and as flat as I wanted to shot. My "best representation of reality" argument" is based on any footage out of the BMP4K, C200, RED, Arri, etc - if you want to bake in a look then go ahead and go for it. No one on professional gigs work that way and all the examples are color graded choice anyone can chose to apply. I have said very little about my views on film making and actually I have said nothing about my views. I posted samples to show that the Z6 does not crush black levels like one guy claimed they did or that the Z6 gave everything a dark look. And this guy is very quite about crushed black levels and the Z6 isn't he? I don't need to shed any assumption on how any camera should perform for professional work. Cameras should have good color and dynamic range to start with. That's the best way to capture reality. Capturing reality is what film, photography, videos have done since they were invented. I also never said I have issue with graded looks or when they should be applied or used. Let everyone create the vision they want. And you make it sound like color balance is not that critical or needed. The very point of EOSHD pro color for Sony that he created was to improve color performance on those cameras. Your argument goes against the very foundation of EOSHD.

Anyone else shooting with the Z6? Since at least one guy said my video still was a photo, here's the video footage.

The whole point of shooting with a RED or C200 or any cine camera is the best representation of reality as we can. Doesn't matter if you're shooting Log or not. The idea is for the important stuff you need good cine gear. Lots of misinformation being spread around about the new S1 and Z6 that were rumors started before the cameras were released that they would be better still cameras but not so good for video. Since we are in the "video forum" you see post daily were someone is asking how good this camera is vs another. For some reason telling someone that the GH5 is great for the money and the newer full frame cameras aren't any better is flat out not true. And that kind of comment will lead to someone buying the Gh5 in 2019, investing in m4/3 glass and making a mistake in the process. The BMP4K is better then the GH5 but that's not discussed either. Be a GH5 fan boy but don't point people in the wrong direction.

The Nikon Z6 is scheduled to get 12 bit Raw ProRes output to Atomos Ninja recorder. Where did you get your information? You have Nikon with this info and Atomos saying the same-thing. Where do you get that the Z6 might never get Raw? Here's the video that you claim is a photo. You must have more to say then that since you thought a video still was actually a photo. I will check out the 3 hour 1 minute Film Challenge - I didn't know it existed.

You need to get up to date brother or your eyes checked. I said the S1 has a better image, color and quality then the GH5. Every GH5 owner that's tested the S1 has said this and videos online prove it. You say the same thing about every camera except eh GH5 and that is "that cameras not better then the GH5, hell I can get a used.........." - who cares what used piece of crap camera you can pick up. You haven't tested the S1 or the Z6 and both cameras will have 12 bit raw and both have better color and low light then the GH5. You can keep the scopes and meter and other feature because image quality wins at the end of the day. And here's SOC video still from 4K 30fps that has perfect color from the Z6. And it's clear you based your opinion pre-release rumor from haters. Why? I have no idea since it seem like you have tons of knowledge. I'm going to go post in the Raw Shooting Cameras section about the Z6. Do you wanna come along with your GH5? On man the GH5 doesn't shoot Raw. Never mind!

I'm not sure your argument makes sense because the GH5 is still on the market sold as new and 2 years old. The GH5 is the current flagship model in the m4/3 line up. The S1 is the entry level full frame and $2,495 for the body only. The GH5 is also touted as a great camera will great color and all the features you need. It's also claimed to be better then the Nikon Z6 by miles. My point is the S1 is like the Z6 and is better in image quality and color then the GH5. People don't like to hear the S1 is better then the Gh5 because they bought the GH5 or they bought into the hype of the GH5. Simple as that. Panasonic actually talked about how much better the S1 would be then any mirrorless camera they've made before and that claim included the GH5.

Anyone else shooting with the Z6?

People had no issue comparing the GH5 to the A6500 when it came out and sayin the GH5 was better which it is. So price points are the same each year and have been sine camera / cine gear hit the market. Prices won't go down except we will get more for the money now. You're still paying $2,000 for the GH6 and the S1 is comparable. To say the price is the reason the S1 is better is GH5 owners looking for an out.

Here's a still SOC no adjustments made in post. This is also 99% accurate organic color reproduction. My friend Tom skin tone, CS is 99% accurate to how it is in real life. We shot with the C200 at this same location and the Z6 matches the C200 in image quality. This was shot in portrait mode with center metering. Do anyone think this camera isn't accurate and awesome? I personally want an accurate base image to work with.

The S1 is not far off from the original GH5 price.

GH5 owners have said that GH5 colors were good and nothing wrong with them. The S1 does have great color and no amount of features in a camera will make up for bad color. The GH5 has better color then the A7III and A7RIII. And while were on Sony the A9 has better color then the A7 line up. What's a 20 stop organic sensor? The Z6 has that same "organic sensor". Organic a seems to be the flavor of the month. Does the S1 have the very sought after "light meter" for video and other GH5 video controls? Asking for a friend. A side note: If the S1 proves to be better at video then my Z6 then I will gladly sell my Z6 to purchase the S1.

What could Sony do that's beyond the S1 and Z6 right now? They could try 10 bit 4K internally with no crop but at the end of the day unless they do a global shutter nothing else will have an impact. Rumor has the A7SIII will come out after the A6500 and A9 new models. That puts it a year out for the A7SIII. What's tough for Sony is the A7SII had great low light abilities and that's why people bought it. A lot has changed since then. I think Sony was caught of guard by Panasonic and Nikon with the models they came out with. The real question is how far is the gap in quality between the A7III / A9 video and Sony's cine video line up? Quality wise that's were the A7SIII has to land. And if we are honest about it You Tube - Joe doesn't know the difference. If I was Sony I would make the A7SIII a true hybrid cine mirrorless camera. I would put GH5 features in it and push the quality up to Sony's cine line up. Promote it as the A7SIII cine camera. That's the only way the A7SIII will be taken seriously. Maybe it's me but the S1 and Z6 look the same image quality wise. How is the AF bad on the S1? In video tracking or stills? The Z6 has very good AF-F video tracking and for stills you have to find out what setting work for you. Sony color and video look so bad it's not funny anymore. Sony doesn't know what white balance is.

Hey the FS700 does stills so it's cool in my book.

I changed my mind about the GH5 by revisiting footage again. In the right hands it does very well. My main issues are: - It adds sharpness to the image - Color is still off most of the time and this also has to do with how it handles mid shadow skin areas. It tends to get dirty in these areas and this can be a problem - The m4/3 field of view or what it presents to us is always wide open wide shots, and this creates the same as same as framing for GH5 owners. It must be impossible to get a mid cowboys shot with that camera. - The GH5 shares technology came from the GH4 and G7 and some of the same issues carried over. I used the own the G7 and it was great camera for the price. - Again color is off on this camera and it's almost a color shift that happens. - Shadow and low light areas. It's know that the Gh5 is not great in low light and don't mention the speed booster and toaster that can fix this issue. The tech guys and guys that try and break this down scientifically miss the point. If you have the darkest value before crushed blacks that show noise and unresolved detail (detail that the camera doesn't show or can't show but these areas are not just one value) then that's an issue you can't just blame on low light. Almost every clip will have areas like this and it depends if it's on the wall in the shadows or the shadow side of a persons long hair. Most of the time the Gh5 almost fills in these areas with darker shadow then what we see. It almost or does have less range in the mid to darker values. Instead of 7 the GH5 gives us 4 values on the grey scale. - Hybrid cameras should have good video and photo abilities because they share the same sensor and processor. We all know the GH5 doesn't do photo's well and there's a reason for that. The Lumix S1 and S1R seems to have pushed photo and video to the next level. So in the same family you have the Gh5 and S1 it's clear from the S1 how far back the GH5 is in image quality. The C100 has atone of cine feature and controls but no one is replacing the GH5 with the C200. Why not? He seemed to bring a lot to the discussion.

Color looks good if that's what you're skin looks like. Most older guys don't have that much pink going on. Did you sharpen the footage or is that the GH5 magic?

Here's an updated Z6 - 8 bit footage. Created a LUT'' in Resolve and tweaked again in FCP.

Thanks! What settings did you use or recommend on the Z6?

Can you share the LUT's for the Z6 based on Alexa?