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Af or Manual focus doesn't matter if you get the shot you need. Do you ever look at footage someone filmed and say "that's AF and that sucks?" It's all a choice. AF is a useful tool and to dismiss it is more of an old school no-sense that has to do with old cine views that don't embrace technology.
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Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
Why is everything you don't understand, you come off and attack with insults? I said AF tracking should work and you can get great results if you use it. What issue do you have with that comment? If Mattias isn't confident about AF then he's not using It. Cameras have gotten better with AF and all these comments were based on the S1. You haven't seen my work brother so leave it alone. I never knocked anyones work and I don't do that. You on the other hand have made countless comments about my work, that you haven't seen, and others work. You seem to be on a high horse that think it's ok to put others down. Yes the A6400 AF is amazing. Sony is leading in AF tech right now and good for them. If people knew how good AF has gotten they wouldn't let Panasonic off with the S1 AF performance. No work around with the AF pulsing the S1 does. I knew what you were talking about but AF compared to focus pulling is another topic. You don't throw out AF technology based on that. -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
Yes I use manual focus when I need it. I started with film and manual focus lens back in the 80's so I'm very used to manual focus. I use the Z6 that has good IBIS and I use AF tracking when I hand hold the camera and need a little added moment or a lot of movement with the camera. I use the touch screen to lock on the subject and the use the back screen to compose and baby-sit the shot. Good AF tracking and IBIS is a must. -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
I gave 100% accurate reasons why AF tracking is better in certain situations that can't be duplicated by manual focus. Do us a favor and post 1 sample were AF tracking isn't laced on a working perfect ( not from a Lumix camera). Post one example that shows the AF system "thought" is had focus but didn't. You comments are not true. Don't use AF tracking if you have a camera were it works. AF tracking is like anything else on the camera and you have to watch it and make sure it's working and then adjust as you go. I shoot everything else in manual settings and you have to watch those settings the same way. You say you like manual better because it's like the transition in a car ( not) but you've never use AF tracking that works right. That's ok keep on commenting about a system you haven't use correctly. Sorry Walter H but this is a free board and bullies like you don't control it. I am trying to help and my comments reflect that. If Mattias Burling only used Lumix cameras for video AF tracking then I can see why he uses MANUAL FOCUS and defends it to the ends of the earth. AF tracking is a tool on the hybrid cameras that should works as advertised. That's it. From those comments we got comments that "manual focus is only what pros use, manual focus is used while hand held through the view finder and AF is not accurate." This wasn't a AF vs Manual focus but that AF tracking should works on a camera. The additional comments I made were in response to the excuses abut how manual focus is the best way to go even during handheld thru the viewfinder. Any videographer knows you're limited using the EVF only and are limited in the shots you can get going all manual. Sorry but that's the 100% truth. In the hybrid word this is 100% accurate. So you can take the "I'm trying to help" comment how you want. I was in the same boat as Mattias Burling when I had my Lumix camera and only used manual focus. -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
Those cameras are not in the same discussion. Mirrorless and the fact that Nikon, Canon and Sony have great AF tracking. The Red Gemini, Alexa Mini, Varicam LT, and Ursa Mini Pro are NOT hybrid stills / video cameras are they? Electronic in what way? Oh you mean once they lock on they lock on? You haven't used AF tracking have you? -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
Is your comment a deflection to take us away from poor AF tracking on the S1? Canon and Nikon are relevant because the 10 bit image quality stands up and they can record 10 bit external. Any pro will have an external monitor on set and using the Atomos Ninja IS A CINE monitor and recorder with all the bells and whistles that you need or could ask for. I would compare image quality on the S1 to Canon and Nikon before you throw out cine comments. -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
This is the same GH5 Lumix argument about AF tracking since the camera was released. Have the choice of AF tracking or using manual is just that. Use what works for you. But on the S1, GH5, GH5s and S1R the AF tracking is not very good. It's the NOT VERY GOOD part is the issues here. It should be as good as Canon, Sony or Nikon. Another Lumix AF excuse "many people will still enjoy using manual focus for the spontaneous creative control it provides." How is using AF tracking with the touch screen any less spontaneous then using manual focus? Next you will say "manual focus is more organic then AF". -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
If you're on a S1 or GH5 thread and making excuses for AF tracking for video then that is an excuse for the camera not working the way AF tracking works. Not caring is because YOU NEVER had or understood how AF tracking works. Some think AF is not used by pro's because manual is the only way to go. That's correct from a pro's stand point but they NEVER had AF tracking in a pro cine camera. AF tracking tracks the subject you lock onto. And if you're really shooting weddings or non locked down shots YOU will simple get beat by good AF tracking every time if you go manual. I 100% guarantee you don't try certain shots because you can't pull them off with handheld, manual focus thru the EVF. Don't like the messenger all you want but I'm speaking the truth and trying to help. -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
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Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
It's easy. With AF tracking for video on the Z6 you can touch the spot on the back of the screen on the subject or area you want it to focus. After that it stays focused and tracks a person or spot. This is exactly why you use and have AF tracking for video. This is why you need it to work and be reliable. How are you manually focusing with the gimble? That's not how gambles work. They need AF tracking. You should use the touch screen and touch to focus and track your subjects. It works better then manually focusing on a moving subject. -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
This makes no sense at all. You want great IBIS but can live with bad AF to do run n gun video. And only if your subject is moving slow and to / from camera. Really? Some one said it was AF compromise......?? What? AF just needs to work well. Sony, Nikon and Canon have very good AF and maybe the S1 does with the new firmware. Until then it's not good to make excuses for the S1. Hopefully it's not GH5 level bad were people make excuses for it. -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
Skip77 replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
Did you dump the Z6? How do you like the S1 compared to the Z6? -
But in this case the BMW is the Nikon and Sony is the Subaru. And I'm not LOL on this one. So how does "Card Slots, Better EVF, higher FPS burst, much higher resolution, along with more native lenses" make you a better photographer or help you take better photographs? None of those items I quoted from you do that. Nikon has F-mount lenses that work just as good as native Nikons. Image quality and color science should be priority. (Sony has two card slots so it's a better camera then the Nikon) That sounds ridiculous to me.
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The A7R IV video still has warp effect wobble and only 100mpbs is a let down. Sony must still have overheating issues. The video in Bloom's video looks good and the detail looks like the Z6 4k video detail that people said was to clear. Lol. So can the Sony fan boys tell me why this A7R IV is better then the Z6 in any way besides having ONE more card slot?
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Didn't Sony have 100% of full frame mirrorless market before July 2018? That chart shows the Z6 outselling the A7RIII and A9. I think Sony's mistake was not developing the A9 series to be it's base model to build off of. The A9 is awesome and for the price you have room to expand features and spec quality. Camera market price don't change much from the last 10-15 years once a price is set. Look at the JVC cine camcorder from 2004 and it was $8K for 720p to tape and the deck to play it back on was $5k. Sony will now always have a $1K, $2k, $3.5K and $4k comer model on the market. The A9SII could have been the answer to the S1H but Sony has missed that marketing / model chance. Think about it: Does Sony release the A7SIII or the A7S IV ? I would have developed the A8S or A9S model and crushed every other brand.
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I don't know where you get you data from or can back it up. The P4K and S1 and Z6 pushed Sony to better it's A7 series video specs. Why Nikon? Because Nikon was the first full frame 10 bit 4K mirrorless camera in the market. Sony still trails Nikon in market share for camera sales. Sony is playing catchup to Nikon, Canon and Panasonic and people have posted comments asking where the A7SIII is. Yeah Sony has to compete in this market. To many options in this market for Sony not to compete.
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Tony and Chelsea's latest review has a lot of issues with the A7R 4 and very minor detail gain. No Sony's market share has not grown but lost market share because of Canon, Nikon and Panasonic. You can't have 3 major brands enter your market and not lose market share. I'm not sure how long you've worked for Sony but in 2019 -20 customers will not settle for out of date new cameras. Sony won't match the S1 for all the wrong reason but the biggest one is they don't think they have to match the S1.
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I've never said anything but good things about the S's color science. Panasonic chases the $$ like they did with the GH5s so the S1H will not be lower then $4,000. How is this even your argument ? Is this all you have that in your mind you can tell other that price isn't an issues because the S1H will be lower then the announced price? AF tracking is useful and I used it today on a shoot with the Z6. These are small cameras and not built from the cine world so AF tracking is a real feature that people use. The whole purpose of the smaller cameras with AF is to put some of the work on the camera and get the shots you need. So you're going to hire someone to pull focus on the S1H ALL BECAUSE PANASONIC CAN"T GET AF RIGHT? This is the same as Sony not getting color science right. Why even have AF if you can't rely on it. You seem bent on taking digs at the Z6 for some reason. Have you used the Z6? I didn't think so. I have said since day 1 that the S1 and S1H seem like great cameras and are good for the market. You can say same about the Z6. Also the features you talk about now become part of the Z6 when it's paired with the Atomos Ninja.
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No if they are saying $4,000 for the S1H that's the price they are trying to hit but if they don't hit that price it's not coming down in price. The Z6 does compare to the S1 in every way. If I'm wrong then show how it doesn't. - Z6 has 10 bit 4:22 external, most pros have an external monitor - The Z6 will have 12 bit RAW Pro Res, so it get's even better - The Z6 has EYE AF and video AF tracking that works and doesn't pulse I don't care about 4K 60p for the Z6 right now so why do you keep bringing that up? You have many more things about a camera that need to be right before you jump on the 4k 60p train. Give me great color and image quality for my video any day of the week over 4K 60p.