TheBoogieKnight

Do you know if the next-gen NV cards coming out support it?

I didn't actually realise the even the latest RTX cards don't support 4:2:2:

At 4k/30 the R IV is reading more data (5.9k oversampled) from the sensor than the S III at 60p and the R IV has a limit of 170 minutes (three times longer). Sure a much bigger sensor area is being read so maybe it's thermal limitations of the sensor. If it is then cool-down times at least should be acceptable.

Well it might not even be real but even if it is it doesn't necessarily mean the limits are there because of thermals.

Surely not 200 Mb/sec for 4k/120?

To be fair the 85mm RF is absolutely remarkable.

Well this is just horrible. I was still interested even after everything I've read but the product just isn't fit for use.

I don't see how that peltier based solution can even work. I worked on them a long time ago and they were horrible inefficient, around 5% if you were lucky.

It's the recovery times that are the real kicker. Even if they'd added somewhere with metal attached to the heatsinks to get some cooling between takes (maybe where the LCD goes) it would have been better rather than just insulating plastic everywhere. I bet the internal cooling is sub-par too. You see it all the time with audio/computing gear. Cheap-ass thermal paste applied by a gorilla with a plastering trowel!

Why can't you blame YouTube compression? I've seen this exact effect in other clips from other cameras and it was the compression used. Non oversampling may cause moire etc, but I've also seen footage that's incredibly detailed so i really don't think this is to blame. I thought it was skipping pixels/lines, not binning in the 4k30 low-quality mode?

Just watched a YT vid. Even after two hours of cooling down (with battery out, screen flipped out and lens off), recording times were significantly reduced. That's crazy.

No IBIS means the sensor can be coupled directly to a cooling system. I fail to see how a tiny 74 pixels on each side (less than 2% off the full frame) crop (if it's using a 12MP sensor) is anywhere near enough for decent IBIS though.

From his comments looks like you can still use the 5k oversampled 4k mode whatever the thermal status. I'd be happy with that even with the crop.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2Fvrjf3TMxhw8%3Ft%3D45%26fbclid%3DIwAR1E_aOpXjMpjmfoALj_qPQSRsio_ooeNX4h-g3YESbeaHLY59fcFJkw4HQ&h=AT0qZ7tLmpTrgLHndIDD8QbnluWPHNNEz2JSg-G6jR3TkY_jjV4wQRJxU58aOAvuV1mI1HCYv3smV3bgG-rioGYgox2VyLgCtLrwoHMUCLIBMGSBVwpB6382bq1vq81lXZ0W2w This is crazy.

I don't really have an issue with limited times as long as I have another body. It's the cooling down time and limited recording time afterwards that's the real kicker. A ten minute cool down to get 3 minutes recording isn't great.

It has to be improved by definition in 60p surely? The maximum possible is under 17ms.

The 50 is great but that's pretty much it if you want native. No portrait lens (the 85mm RF is absolutely remarkable), no OIS on the zooms (other than the 70-200s), no F2.8 at the wide end etc. etc. I've got no problem with the Panasonic glass but the RF range is on another level. Then there's the eye AF that just doesn't work a lot of the time and I say this from [painful] personal experience across a range of shoots. I recently tried an Eos R and the AF for stills was on another level to my S1. Let's not discuss for video... I'm delighted with the still that come out of my S1 but the Eos R (and RF glass) has many, many advantages.

Same I'm a hybrid shooter and I'm still interested. I was going to get an S1H to partner my S1 but I think I might go with the R5 and use the S1 for longer recordings. That ND adaptor is fantastic, the RF glass is great (that 85mm....) and I think I could probably work around the limitations when I've also got the S1.

Other than Canon's specs, I don't think we really know if it's got better IBIS in video or not.

This crap is common in so many industries. Music production is just the same; synths etc. are just rehashing silicon sometimes over a decade old. Smartphones have changed the market and I full agree; other areas should be exploiting the technology.

Do we know how how much of the sensor is used in the 60/120? Someone on here mentioned they were binning 4 pixels into 1 for better light gathering, has this been confirmed?

What happened to the incredible new glass that was going to arrive, revolutionary, never-before-seen lenses that could only be done with the Z mount? We got the Noct of course and the others are (very) sharp but I was expecting something a bit different (a 24-105 F2.8 perhaps or at least something). It's been nearly 2 years.

When will they enable electronic focus from a gimbal while using an external monitor on the S1 (as soon as you enable tethering the external monitor stops working). It stopped working with a bug in a GH5 update which was then carried over to the S1. Many have been asking about it for over a year(s?) and while they fixed it on the S1H, nothing for the S1.

Have you tried a camera with IBIS? You can get away with quite a awful lot!

This! I'd love mini XLRs and not need adaptors hanging off the camera. I guess it's always the compromise between hybrids and dedicated video cams. Personally I love having a good EVF although that's probably partly down to becoming long-sighted as I get older and it being a pain to use an LCD!