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The 12K image did have alot appeal so we'll see.

That's not the point is it? The above info is from BM website landing page about the ND filters and what they claim to do. The issue is not can you correct it or not. But if you go down that route and ignore that BM says their ND filters eliminate IR contamination and don't, you are left with adjusting for IR contamination which can cause other problems depending how severe. I would say Black Magic is lacking in engineers and quality control. This includes whoever shot and approved that 12K footage that they display. Looks like they had the same issues that I had, right? Except BM claims to have a 100% solutions for IR contamination. This is clearly my issue with false advertising and lack of trust.

I would use him as a DP in a major film then some of the ones being championed on the EOS.

This isn't a case about working with IR pollution. The BM12K is said to have built in ND's that are perfectly balanced to eliminate IR contamination. Are you saying Black Magic ignored the IR issue or @John Brawley ignored the IR issue?

This is a quick photoshop fix on how that image should have looked without IR contamination. The question is what else is being puled out when magenta is puled down?

I know magenta cast or IR contamination can be removed. IR contamination shouldn't be in that 12K footage. I'm sure @John Brawley should have seen it. He wrote up that blog about it. I'm sure BM has a few great colorist that should have caught it. Heck, the built in ND's are supposed to eliminate IR contamination. This is the reason ARRI, Canon and RED have clean color. No company is perfect but these 3 companies seem to understand color science and working with the right sensor foundation. Black Magic seems to get the most out of sensors for lowest cost compared to any other camera company. Instead of cutting corners they should just make sensors and cameras that get the best results at any cost. I'm begging to wonder if they have the engineers to pull of great color science. Take a look at the picture from BM website, someone thought that IR contamination was acceptable to showcase.

I might end up getting the P6K before it's all said and done. I don't know. The technical issues of Gen3,4,5 color worries me. Maybe @John Brawley can tell me how bad P6K color is in certain areas and how to avoid color issues. With BM I'm not looking for Sony color or Nikon color or even Canon color. I want cine color because that's what's advertised. If not BM my next camera will be above $10K if the lower priced cine cameras are filled with issues and if they all play games with the cripple hammer. I have a feeling you can't get a good cine sensor under $10K.

You put a lot in your comments to unpack based on an official BM paid video release. @John Brawley is the most seasoned and decorated DP that BM has in it's stable. Never said I was unhappy. Magenta cast is something BM has an issue with. BM even addresses this with built in ND filters that they say solves this issue. Alexa footage is also not quite green. This is an official release video and you can download this footage from BM website. Why didn't they remove the magenta cast? It also depends on where the magenta cast is and how bad it is. What should worry people is this was the built in ND's that were suppose to correct this issue and magenta cast gets worse in direct sunlight. All this footage was controlled lighting and not in direct sunlight. Really? BM makes Davinci Resolve so how messed up is it that they're over colorist wouldn't see the magenta cast and correct it? What's with all the defending of Black Magic and their cameras? Canon got ripped a new one for it's overheating issues. Black Magic deserves the same inspection and feedback. This is why Black Magic quality control sucks and this is why they release cameras with known issues. "The P6K is only $2,000 what do you expect?" "It's 12K for $10,000, what do you expect?" I expect a great camera that lives up to what @John Brawley is pitching. If you're going to finally talk about color, finally talk about what the new 12K sensor can do and that they spent million and millions of dollars developing and at the same time say the 12k camera is ready for the biggest Hollywood productions then back it up with footage that proves it.

I don't understand your comment. In the US southeast it's 94 degrees today. In the US western states such as Las Vegas NV it was 108 degrees today. Most of the US has the dog days of summer so any camera if fair game to overheat and have to own that overheating.

I did say this: John does great wonderful work. I have no problem with saying that. His blog post about the BM12k was great and I said that. Magenta cut on his footage is not great. The "first thing a camera should do is make fantastic pictures".

I love that he keeps sweating. Lol I'm surprised the G7 overheated. I would love to see this test with the current 4K FF mirror less cameras other than the A7III. Sony A7III lasted 5 minutes at 4K. That's about what my A6500 would last after the first shut down.

This is from BM BMUM12K page. "The IR filters have been designed to filter both optical wavelengths and IR wavelengths evenly to eliminate IR contamination of the images from which many ND filters can suffer." Everyone is talking about the BMUM12K getting BM into big production theatricals and taking productions from RED. I'm pulling for them but you can't have magenta cast issues when you have specific built in ND's that are suppose to eliminate IR contamination. BM is basically saying "look we addressed this" and then it shows up in promoted test footage. Yes skin tones look the best every from a BM camera. From a BM camera is key. Color balance affects everything. This video does not have magenta cast in the black grey areas. It starts with GH5 footage and then shows shots from the P4K - Gen4 and Gen5 color. Great information about Gen4 / Gen5 and another color issues is discussed.

No one complained but you because you thought we were. The points made were all about improving BM place in the market for high end productions. Sorry but looks matter. Image also matters. It's is odd that BM always touted specs and not image. Now they are touting both. I dig it. It makes people ask what's under the hood.

I agree about the body of the BM12K. They need to stop messing around with the weird design looks and innovate the body so it appeals to RED users or anyone else. If you spend 10K on a camera body in 2020 it should at least look as good what RED produces.

At 01:24s his hair does not have a magenta color to it. In the video it has a light cast. The same with the first scene, girl with the black top and at 01:42s, her hair is a dark brown. The next scene at 01:44 you don't see magenta cast in her hair. It's there when you know black should not have a magenta tone at all.

How did I get a downvote for calling out magenta cast from the BM12K sensor?

Sorry about this post guys. I was a little harsh and came off as an asshole. I don't like the magenta cast on @John Brawley 12K footage. His technical break down about the sensor was awesome and @John Brawley does some incredible work.

Again, magenta cast in the black shirt, black hair areas. Look at 00:59sec. What is that secondary shadow in under her nose? At 01:06s I don't see any magenta cast. At 01:27s the shot is horrible. Good skin tone but at the cost of color balance.

So NO ONE is going to mention the magenta cast that's all over this footage? This is not acceptable.

Why is @John Brawley being pushed on us so much across the EOS and the net today? I thought real DP's don't hang out on the EOS? The proof will be in the footage not how technical someone talks about the NEW sensor. Let @John Brawley compare the BM12K to Alexa, RED and Venice and see if it falls apart. How much you wanna bet he never does that test? I really don't need a BM cheerleader to push their cameras.

RED color and footage holds up. RED blows away BM across the board. Black Magic footage is always graded away from natural color. Always. The same with the GH5. Give me one color grade that has a natural look and let's see how these cameras hold up.

And I've complained about BM skin tones for a long time. You also have BM defenders that say BM skin tones are great. It's all about what you don't know.

The 12K footage looks good but not better than Arri, RED or Canon. It still looks like BM color science. BM has a brand problem. No big studio has to move away from RED or Arri. The incentive to do so is not their unless the image quality is better. BM has also shown the flaws of it's lower line up.

IBIS and PDAF is not an option for Alexa users or other high end rigs. The blow back was IBIS is not needed and PDAF is not used by professionals.

Above is a link of @John Brawley talking about how useful IBIS or PDAF are on the E-M1 III, and how HE LOVED working with it. He said he "got shots with the E-M1 III that he couldn't get with a different style of camera" (cine rig)