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I for one am not complaining about that because I don't live there, but could there be other reasons for the discrepancy? Maybe the taxes are higher, maybe it simply costs more to ship there, maybe the currency fluctuates more so they added some padding to the pricing; people get charged differently all over the world, at the end of the day you either decide it is worth what the vendor is asking or you decide to go with another product. Honestly I would gladly pay 10% more in USD than what Canon is currently charging for the R5 and R6 if they did not overheat. Here in the US vendors even charge differently based on zip code. I have seen instances where Dell asked a price for a laptop from my home PC because they detected my location, then I pull up the same laptop on my cell phone which made it look like I was somewhere else a few hundred miles away and there was more than a 10% difference in price. There's even studies showing that if you use an iPhone on certain vendor websites they will show you a higher price than if you use an Android because they think if you can afford an iPhone you will pay more. My bank really pissed me off once because I saw a great credit card offer on my cell phone but when I called to sign up they said it was not applicable to my state and I must have seen the ad by mistake. It's very annoying but it is just the reality we live in; targeted pricing is real, vendors will charge whatever they think the local population is willing to pay.

Is anyone using the Letus Helix Jr for their main gimbal? The Letux Helix is so confusing to me, it looks like a great gimbal for solo shooters with heavier rigs yet most of YouTube has completely ignored it, and I can't find many videos with anyone using it. The design looks a lot more logical than trying to stuff my C200 onto my Ronin S. I am typically a one man show shooting weddings, music videos, promo videos, etc. so I don't have the time or space for bigger gimbals like the Ronin or Steadicam setups. I really want a practical smaller gimbal setup for my C200 and the Letus looks great so if anyone is using one I'd love to hear your real world feedback; not some YouTube reviewer.

I agree with you there, it's just a forum and just a camera, I put out my opinions like everyone else but don't believe in the bashing or flaming that some users choose to involve themselves in, it is not constructive nor a desirable character trait.

That's pretty crazy but makes perfect sense like I said previously.....no way it being that close to overheating would it not overheat taking images as well. That wasn't even 95F it was just 86F. This camera is truly not fit for purpose....any purpose, period. I shoot runway fashion shows, they are indoors, and air conditioned, but I would lose all credibility in the local fashion community if I missed half a show waiting for the camera to cool down. Also, it has already been proven that ambient temps don't matter that much...heat builds up no matter what you are doing with the camera.

I have to wonder if the pandemic did not disrupt or short circuit their normal testing process. Also, I believe there have been some recent leadership turnovers at Canon, maybe the new leadership just wasn't receptive to the feedback they were getting. Nothing about a problem this severe resembles the Canon that I thought I knew. Reliability above all else seemed to be etched into every camera they produced all the way down to the Rebel line.

I am just spoiled in the thermal department when it comes to compromises. My C200, 5DIV, and GH5 have performed flawlessly in the hot Florida heat and humidity no matter what I throw at them. I can say the same for my GoPro, DJI drones, and even my timelapse camera (T6 Rebel). They have all sat in 120 degree cars between shoots or before the shoot, shot all day in the heat, and not had a single problem. They all have their limitations but they are predictable, well known, and can be easily worked around. Thermal unpredictability on the other hand is something I want no parts of no matter how good the image may be; a cell phone camera can produce a better image than a bricked one.

I think the Tilta thing is a joke, the R5 is so weather sealed it will be like wearing a space suit and strapping a fan to the outside of your space helmet. Without thermal paste and cooling fins, all that will do is blow hot ambient air onto the outside of a weather sealed body; lets not forget women (and men) with long hair....good luck bringing something like that close to your face or trying to show a client the back of your camera with that thing spinning. BTW, where is the power for that coming from? How loud will it be when recording audio? I don't understand the adapter either....so you will basically be pulling dust directly from outside of the camera and blowing it directly on the sensor, that sounds like a horrible idea. The S1H seems to be the only camera that truly gets the cooling situation and even it didn't try to do 8K, 4K120, or full sensor readout 4K60.

I agree...not to mention the thing no one is talking about.....how much will overheating that much shorten the overall life of the camera? I feel like these bodies will start dropping like flies about 2 months after the warranty runs out if the owner has been using much video.

I love the idea of the S1H and I have the GH5, below are the reasons that I did not get the S1H: Color Science - Canon still wins here no question about it Stills - Canon still wins here as well, if I'm going to spend upwards of $6K (body and lens) it's either going to be a cinema camera or it better be able to replace my 5DIV...I don't feel the S1H can replace my 5DIV, and I already own a C200 Lenses - The L mount lenses has got to be smallest selection from any system....even if I thought the S1H could replace the 5DIV what about the lenses? While we are on the topic, the L mount lenses are ridiculously expensive AF - A gimbal camera needs AF, I'm already using MF with my GH5, I am not going to spend $6K and still have the same problem I love everything else Panasonic did with the S1H and don't mind the size, but I'm not going to spend what it takes to move up to it just to have the same problems I have with my GH5. I think those same reasons are why a lot of people waited patiently and thought Canon finally had their act together with the R5 and R6 until reality hit all of us.

It could be the firmware causing the issue. If the firmware reading the internal temp is faulty or buggy then it would yield similar results...similar to battery meters that never seem accurate. After seeing the R5 circuit board I think there is no way to actually fix this problem until the R5 Mark 2, but I do think it was the firmware preventing the camera from working properly 5hrs later.

I had the R6 in my shopping cart....but Peter McKinnon's review where he hinted that their were overheating problems then quickly glossed over them made me pause just long enough to find out just how bad it really is, I planned on replacing my GH5 with the R6 and if that went well eventually replacing my 5D with the R5. I would then be all in on Canon C200, R5, and R6....instead now I'm wondering what the GH6 will look like and will hang on to my 5DIV for a few more years.

Just FYI...according to Gerald Undone you can now change the file names in the A7SIII....of course for images 12MP may not be enough for cropping and recomposing.

Over at News Shooter they are still in denial: https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/07/31/canon-eos-r5-r6-recall-rumors-are-not-true/ of course no Canon rep will admit they are working on a recall or a fix until the proper communication channels in Japan put out a proper press release.

I saw the YouTube on the issue as well. I do hope it is just a driver update vs. an actual HW architecture shortcoming. I just upgraded to an RTX 2080 TI thinking I would be future proof for the next 5yrs or so. My 980TI lasted me 4 years. I also updated to the latest version of DR that came out yesterday and the CPU dropped to 50% while the GPU stayed at 15% playing the R5 footage. Still not great but better. After applying two layers of color grades though the timeline was unusable.

I love a good conspiracy theory but even I don't believe any company would deliberately do this. Overheating is a horrible problem to have and a marketing nightmare, Canon could have easily crippled it in the more traditional ways like severe 8K and 4K120 recording limits (i.e. 60s or 120s max) and made the other modes work flawlessly which is pretty much what was expected by the market. What I think happened is a combination of the pandemic disrupting their normal feedback process, fewer bodies in fewer hands around the world possibly meant less feedback to begin with, a spec war with Sony making them too aggressive in their technology push, the retirement of several more traditionally minded executives within Canon leadership, and the addition of IBIS into such a small body which moves the sensor away from a place where it can more easily be cooled. And maybe it is just me, but if this camera is so close to overheating at all times, I have a hard time believing that it will never overheat just taking pictures. I know there haven't been any reports of this yet, but if 20-30 pictures pushed this camera to report 0min for video....that sounds like it may not make it through a 12hr wedding in Florida on a 95F day with 100% humidity.

The reasons you listed and then some (plasticky feel, color science, proprietary lens mount, proprietary accessories, etc) is why I am still not considering the A7SIII. So yes I agree that the A7SIII is far from perfect. When it comes to IBIS....IMO my GoPro has better software stabilization than all of these $4K bodies put together. Hypersmooth 2.0 is nothing short of incredible and it really makes me wonder why the camera makers do not invest more in software stabilization; maybe due to sensor size it is more complex.

My CPU stayed at 70% and the GPU was only around 15% so I think its like they are saying, H.265 out of the R5 is only decoded in the CPU so my video card is useless for this footage. Canon botched this one in every way imaginable. The funny thing is, right when I start questioning my sanity for still hoping they find a fix for the R5 and R6 I color graded the sample footage and it looked incredible. Obviously it was only a tiny sample in simple outdoor well lit lighting conditions but the skin tones looked incredible and it took me two seconds to grade it; my GH5 with the exact same shot would never have looked that good.

I think this is really good news and agree with others that if Canon really does fix the overheating my faith in them would be restored. Who knows, they may even make a few firmware updates and add some new features during the overhaul in response to the A7SIII. If I could get 4K120 in the R6, backup recording, and no overheating by December I'll be a happy Canon user again. In all fairness I do wonder if maybe the pandemic disrupted their normal product review process and feedback chain, but I am in no way letting them off the hook that easy. Even if neither one overheated, the A7SIII still puts both the R5 and R6 to shame with features like dual card slot recording, dual media compatibility (genius), no recording limit (it's not 1990), better editing codec options, and what suspiciously looks like dual gain ISO. As it stands now IMO the best thing Canon can do is fix this unmitigated disaster as soon as possible and hope people forget about it by releasing something more useable and reliable.

I just tested the Sony footage, way easier on my system, 10% CPU, 15% GPU playback was effortless. Even after grading it, the GPU was around 22%. So not only does the Canon R5 overheat, it uses codecs that throw away all of the GPU HW acceleration progress over the past 10yrs and pushes your CPU to its max or makes you create proxies.

I was able to smoothly play the Canon R5 4K120FPS footage within DR using both a 1080P timeline and a 4K timeline. The caveat there is that it stuttered at the very beginning then it played smoothly, I'm not sure if behind the scenes DR was cheating a bit and doing some sort of caching; but my system actually surprised me, it played smoother than some of my GoPro and Drone footage. I tested the footage on both a 1080P timeline and a 4K timeline and playback was still smooth. My system is an HP Z4 with Windows 10, Core i9 14 core CPU, a RTX 2080TI video card, Davinci Resolve Studio, 64GB of memory, and NVME RAID array for the project drive. I haven't tested the Sony footage yet because it is still downloading, I wish they had broken it up into individual files so that I could download just one. One thing that I couldn't tell from the YouTube videos is if they were using DR Studio or the free version, you don't get HW acceleration in the free version. My build is probably around $6K so well below the $15K MAC system in the video. So I went a step further and color graded the clip and DR was still smooth. I do feel like it was at the edge of what it could handle, and would probably require proxies for any kind of real work with this footage. Another annoying thing is you will definitely need proxies if you want to do any kind of speed ramping with the footage, when I tried to bring it up to normal playback speed it was unusable.

I really want to like Sony but I'll admit it...I dislike everything Sony; the display models that I picked up in retail stores and played with felt like toys, the menu system was terrible, the buttons plasticky and way too small not to mention their dismal XLR support and proprietary flash and mic systems. The A7SIII actually looks pretty good except the menu system and IBIS, but I just can't bring myself to buy a Sony and I'm definitely not buying another camera that cannot take photoshoot quality images (except the GH6 since I already have MFT lenses). I agree with you, the spec war is ridiculous, I do think 4K has a very important place today; not for viewing but for recomposing and delivering in 1080P. Unless the customer specifically requires it I don't deliver anything in 4K. I've also actually gone full circle with gimbals, I used to gimbal everything but now I shoot a lot handheld, the GH5 IBIS is that good, its so much faster and easier to just pull out and start filming and you don't always need to walk to get great clips. Shooting handheld also lets you shoot with bigger rigs because you can bring it closer to your body and into a more natural position which is how I shoot my C200 sometimes vs. a tripod; it actually feels really good handheld so I don't mind bigger rigs, they just have to be reliable.

Incredible addition....I really wish they had a better lens ecosystem, a better photography story, and better AF. In every other way though Panasonic keeps proving they really should be the market leaders in the semi-pro/pro video world. The S1H has every feature I have ever asked for....yet for some reason I am still sitting here waiting for Canon to get their act together.

I hate adapters, if that's the only way to use a camera I don't buy it. I use all manual MFT Voigtlander F0.95 lenses...amazing M4/3 lenses for 95% of my GH5 work. But back to overheating, I think Canon will not be able to live with this much bad press, the only ones who will spend $4K on their R5 will be stills shooters and if a stills only camera sold that well they would have created one, and for still only shooters the EOS R which is significantly cheaper would probably do perfectly fine. I think either Canon will release an H version like the S1H with a bigger body and cooling system, or they will go the typical Canon route and release an XC form factor with the R5 sensor and specs yet it will be useless for photography. All they needed to do was release the R5 or R6 with the A7SIII's video specs and no overheating and I would have pre-ordered for the first time ever. The part that Canon seems to have completely forgotten is that their largest fan base is a group of shooters who have been using big 5D bodies for years, we don't care if the R5 is a bigger body as long as it is reliable.

I have a GH5 and my biggest problems with the idea of the S1 is: 30 Min recording limit - the GH5 has none L Mount - expensive lenses with limited selection Battery Problems - multiple reports of battery problems with the S series batteries AF - You pay significantly more for the S system yet still no useable AF Crop - I shoot almost exclusively 4K60 when using a gimbal, the S1 has an APS-C crop at this frame rate which means you will need a wider lens to overcome it, it would be very annoying to have to switch lenses just to switch frame rates. Cost - For me the cost of buying into the L Mount just to get better color and DR were not worth the downsides and the marginal quality increase over my GH5

I think you made a wise decision, I've decided to just sit this round out. I'm sticking with my 5DIV, C200, GH5 combo with no expectations of there being a truly good hybrid camera this time around. My last hope is for Panasonic to release a GH6 so that I can upgrade my GH5 but that will be for video only, so still not a hybrid. Maybe in 2yrs or so Canon will release a Mark II, I can't imagine them letting a disaster like this hang around for 4yrs, and hopefully by that time the world will have returned to normal as well.