TomTheDP
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I’ve had good luck with mine. It’s one of the reasons I love the camera.
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The 5DIII with magic lantern is definitely one of the best image around to this day. That's pitting it against current cameras too IMO. It also gives you a great and still very relevant EF lens eco system. If you are a Panasonic guy though I highly recommend the Pana S1. The GH5S is nice but the S1 is better in almost everyway. The GH5S has better HD and of course if you have a lot of M43 glass you wanna use it makes sense.
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Nice work man! I'm not huge on the blue light in the night shots but that's just me. How do you like the anamorphic adapter? Worth it?
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The issue with Vlog viewing LUTs is they look shitty on the S1. Due to lack of processing power the luts look weird and show a lot of artifacts that aren't actually there. Not a good representation of what you'll actually be getting. I think an external monitor can solve this issue as it takes care of the processing. I always rely on the cameras light meter. I usually expose highlights to +3 if I am trying to retain them as the S1 can recover highlights slightly past 3 stops over exposed. Like 709 doesn't hold highlights well but does good with shadows. I prefer Vlog as I prefer the look I can get with certain LUTs in post. I do get you on using REC709 profiles rather than log. It's really satisfying to see that nice contrasty image on the monitor. I just don't like the Pana color profiles enough to use them. When I had a Fuji I would shoot in all the color profiles a lot for video.
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Not on mine lol, I literally have it here in my hands. In HEVC MP4 you can only shoot HLG, no other color profiles. In regular 10 bit 422 H264 you can shoot HLG or VLOG or any color profile.
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You can shoot in HLG at 10 bit H264 as well.
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Any company can make a 12 bit codec like Blackmagic or Apple. What they can’t do is feature a compressed RAW like DNG. This is why Blackmagic and kinefinity removed CDNG from their cameras. Zcam developed a debayered “RAW” 12 bit codec rather than using DNG. Sigma uses DNG without compression. Zraw , BRAW, and PRR aren’t actually RAW tho
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Blackmagic RAW has artificial sharpening going on and NR as does the GH5/S. I had heard some people preferred the CDNG image on the P4k that was present before the firmware update. Would be interesting to see a comparison between the two. I think the Zcam image is more organic with recent firmware that allows for noise reduction to be turned off as well as sharpening. Originally there was only a low setting on both.
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I feel like the more clever fan rigs are professional looking enough. I’d probably replace the heatsink but I’m a little too comfortable with opening up expensive equipment.
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Cine-D's testing can be useful but at the same time they often aren't accounting for noise reduction. Although in recent tests I've found they are a lot more detailed when it comes to accounting for things like noise reduction or lack thereof. Testing RAW is more consistent as there is no noise reduction with RAW. I wish they would have dynamic range readings for RED cameras. Would be interesting to see how they stack up. I am really surprised, if it's the case, that the RAW images don't have more dynamic range than the 10 bit video. I think 14 bit raw just has a lot of color and texture that 10 bit video doesn't. The ease of grading with raw controls probably makes a big difference too. Maybe the dynamic range seems higher as noise is less noticeable with stills. I think I need to get the Atomos Ninja V now. Yeah I'd probably need to do more comprehensive testing although my conclusion for now is the difference between stills and 10 bit video is not as much as I had thought. My second conclusion is a lot of my camera spec desires are just consumerism getting the best of me. It makes sense as well with Arri having a background in film cameras. The Alexa was meant to be something that would replicate and replace film. Germans are also great and everything haha. RED didn't have a background in film and neither does Sony. Canon and Fujifilm both have a background with film photography and are also both pretty well regarded for their color science.
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Native ISO on the RED scarlet I own is 400 or 800 depends on who you ask. On the S1 for video its 640 and 4000 in vlog. I actually shot in 640 for the stills as well. I wasn't aware the native ISO for stills was 50. I would have needed a lot more light to shoot at 50 iso.
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I think just depends on how you measure dynamic range. According to a more strict measurement that Arri uses the S1 gets more around 12-12.5 stops, while the Arri has 14. Which makes sense. With more liberal measurements that don't take into account how noisy certain stops are you get much higher numbers.
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Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
TomTheDP replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
1.5 crop unfortunately. The sensor cannot do full frame at 4k 60p, though it may be possible line skipped ? -
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
TomTheDP replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
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Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
TomTheDP replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
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I'd assume the Venice doesn't have the dynamic range of an Alexa. Though it seems to be accepted on higher end productions/work. The price of it is certainly high end haha. I am really really close to getting a Ninja V. Seems like it would solve the texture issue with 4K 60p on the Panasonic. Though less noise isn't always the worst thing tbh.
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Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
TomTheDP replied to Andrew Reid's topic in Cameras
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Arri does tend to have a green push.
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DXOmark rates the Panasonic S1 dynamic range as 14.5 stops. It rates the RED helium at 15.2 stops and the RED Epic at 14.8 stops. If the stills and video dynamic range are the same on the S1 it would mean the Panasonic S1 is only .3 stops behind the RED Epic Dragon and .7 stops behind the Helium. Thats pretty wild. I am guessing the Alexa is around 16 stops in comparison.
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I'm not 100% sure. I was always much more impressed by the RAW stills than video out of any camera I've used. Maybe its just the 14 bit depth that makes the difference rather than Dynamic range. FLOG on my Fuji defiantly doesn't compare to its RAW photos but maybe that's not the case with Prores RAW. I just tested my S1's stills against its internal VLOG 10 bit and you are right its really close. Not a super scientific test but I shot exposing for the skin at 0ev and then exposing for the sky in both RAW and 10 bit VLOG. 10bit 10 bit RAW RAW The RAW does look better but dynamic range seems similar. The rolloff in 10 bit was better as I was using Emotive color's Alexa lut.
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As basic as its sounds Premiere's color match tool works pretty well. I get best results by matching log to log than applying the same LUT to both to get very similar highlight and shadow roll off, than adjust contrast and white balance to match. If you have the color chart you could crop the image to just the chart and use the color match tool, probably would get even better results.
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I hope Panasonics next release has internal RAW. Panasonic has always been one to push boundaries.
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Yeah the dynamic range for photos on the R6 is really good. Seems more on par with Sony and Nikon vs the EOS R or older Canon DSLRs which were always behind in shadow and highlight retention. It's weird on the R5 even in RAW dynamic range is not great. The A7S3 and Panasonic S1 are quite a bit better. The shadows do hold more detail in RAW than CLOG1 and CLOG3 which basically cut off the shadows to reduce noise, but the highlights just aren't there.
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I picked B and D with the Tom Antos test. Which was the FX3 and RED Komodo. The FX3 and FX6 shouldn't look different color wise, weird. These test are fun although I don't find them that useful. Maybe I should go buy an FX3 or A7S3 now lol.
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I think Sensors are there, but the video modes are not. Once the Sensors can do the same readout in video mode as they can with photos it will be game over. The Fuji APSC line up as well as Sonys or any of the current full frame cameras give within a half stop to the same dynamic range as the Arri Alexa when taking RAW stills.