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Using a Micro HDMI port sucks though, they'll end up breaking sooner than later. I just read some stuff about the latency being really bad when using a Ninja V. Kind of kills it for manual focus use. Guess that's a big plus on the A7S3 actual useable auto focus.

Prores raw 2k would be line skipped but at least you’d still be getting the extra color information. The Xt3 and 4 can’t due Prores raw due to the xtrans sensor tho

I am guessing it also is trying to appeal to people obsessed with noise and clean images. Being good in "low light" is a selling point these days among the low budget/prosumer market. Otherwise you'll get a million people asking why their footage looks so noisy.

I don't know anyone who's had a problem with them and it seems like everyone and their brother has one around where I live. I've heard of faulty cameras with every manufacturer.

What type of work do you do? Not trying to question your legitimacy or anything just curious. It is pretty crazy how far compressed codecs have come but yeah won't cut it for every job. I wish 12 bit codecs would become a standard in cameras tho. Panasonic has always impressed me with the image they put out for the price.

What do Pocket to Alexa luts have to do with the cameras dynamic range? Those type of luts are pretty useful if you are trying to match the two cameras or if you just want better color without a lot of work. Juan Melara and GHAlex do great work with their color conversions. Honestly for the price it is like a Jesus camera. What else comes close to this anywhere near the $2500 price range, at least in terms of image quality.

Sounds like a lemon to me. Did I say handheld camera anywhere? I said you can do handheld with an OIS lens. If you look at most of the Pocket camera product photos they are shown using OIS lenses. My Fuji xt3 with an 18-55 kit lens was fantastic for handheld and had the benefit of a zoom range. It's not misleading to say you can easily do handheld with this camera. OIS lenses are relatively cheap and light weight and many already have them. There are drawbacks to it of course like anything else.

Depends if you need a two camera setup or not. Keep in mind the F3 really shines with an external recorder. Without you are only getting an 8 bit image. You can't really go wrong with any option these days. As long as you aren't insane like me and buy and sell your cameras every 6 months.

Handheld is very doable with a lens that has OIS tho.

A7S is quite good even in 2021. I'd say the F3 definitely has more pleasing color. A lot of people say the Sony F3 has more F35 like color than its successors the F55, FS5, and A7 cameras. It has the original Slog no SLOG2 or 3. It should be more similar than using a completely different brand camera though.

No the Pocket 6k. It has amazing highlight retention and shadows not far off from an Alexa.

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Have you compared the two side by side? I was speaking of the C300 mk2 not mk3. I would hope the C70 destroys both those older cameras.

The C70 is $3000 more with no RAW of any kind. The built in monitor on the Pocket 6k Pro is also a lot nicer. An optional view finder is quite nice too. I doubt you'll get more dynamic range out of a C70 than a P6K. I've heard C200/C300 owners say they don't think the C70 footage is any better. Not saying the C70 isn't great but its not the best by any means especially at its price point. 10 stop ND's, RF mount, and 3+ hr battery life is awesome tho.

Yeah an external recorder isn't really too big of a deal. Not much different than using an external monitor. I did a test the other day to see how fast the rolling shutter needs to be so that its not noticeable. I found 7.2ms, which is HD S35 crop on the Panasonic S1 is not noticeable even with whip pans, that's with a 35mm lens. So the A7S3 which is like 8ms or something should be quite good. 12ms which is 4k S35 crop on the Pana S1 was quite good but not quite there. 20ms which is full frame 4k was pretty bad. Thats of course doing pretty aggressive pans which isn't something I do much in the first place.

Yes that is why I began to think dynamic range and latitude were entirely different things. Because the testings by CineD didn't seem to translate to reality. The 11.8 stops of dynamic range doesn't add up from what I've seen from the Pocket. Yes the Arri has better dynamic range but the A7S3 or C300 MK3 or even C500, I am not so sure. I could upload the tests though I am lazy lol. The URSA just falls apart in the shadows due to fixed noise pattern which renders footage unusable even with neat video. It also clips highlights faster. Prores RAW is great though for most work I'd end up just using internal recording which is why its important for me to have that unprocessed image internally. I mean if RAW is not needed an image with NR and sharpening is probably fine but I am a stickler for that kind of thing for no good reason.

XT3 with 18-55mm will get you the best image at this price point. The 18-55mm gives great stabilization for handheld work. Shooting with fully manual lenses will be a jittery mess unless you are shooting pretty wide. If you are willing to go used you can probably get an XT3 for around $800, lens for $300 or so, and that gives you cash for some accessories. IBIS is nice on a G85 but the image isn't nearly as good. Depends what you want.

Different color science. Could replace the FS700 if you don't need 4k. An external recorder is really essential to get the best image out of this camera. Its probably not going to hold its value well but if it works for you an generates money that's all that matters. The view finder is often broken or faulty on used models so I assume it's a problematic part. Not essential to the function of the camera though. I like the ergonomics on the F3, though the menus suck hard but you already have an FS700 so you know that.

Yeah man, its not worth it unless those bodies are gonna generate more cash. I mean you could do a pretty nice vacation with 5k.

Thank you for the explanation. That was my previous understanding though less technically minded. What led to my confusion is dynamic range measurements. The Pocket 6k has considerably more shadow and highlight information than the URSA 4.6k even though the URSA is measured having more dynamic range by CineD and BM themselves. I know because I've tested both cameras and the difference not even debatable. The P6K killed the URSA. I've found the highlight recovery tool in Resolve to be very useful unless you are recovering skintones or really critical stuff. In regards to the FX3 I am definitely interested if they get rid of the nasty internal processing.

Forgive my ignorance on this subject. Dynamic range and latitude have always confused me. But my understanding is that Dynamic range is measuring the brightest and darkest regions that retain detail in an image. This doesn't take into account shadows and highlights that can be recovered in post. If the highlights/shadows can be recovered then what is the disadvantage, is it just because it requires more post work to get the image where you want it?

Ran out of time to edit my comment above. Rewatching the video the S1H has an edge in the highlights and a pretty noticeable edge in the shadows. Would be easier to see on a non compressed YouTube video of course, but it's noticeable. I think the rolling shutter benefit on the A7S3 can't be downplayed. The price of the S1 is hard to beat though. I was debating using it as my main camera with a Ninja V if the job calls for it. However a RED Scarlet recently fell into my lap so I've been toying with that. I'd probably get a Pocket 6k, despite my hate for the body. I really don't want to deal with 6k files though. I can shoot to the Ninja V in S35 4K which is something I can't do on the Pocket 6K. The S35 crop on the S1 is also a wider FOV than the Pockets.

HockeyFan12 linked it above. I am talking latitude demonstrated in over/under tests. I've seen the S1 against the A7S3 with internal 10 bit and the S1 or maybe it was the S1H holds highlights better along with less noisy shadows. Yes it was the S1H, though with the latest firmware update I don't think they'll be a difference. In even beats the A7S3 RAW. There is a difference between latitude and dynamic range of course. The Pocket 6k can recover highlights amazingly well. I'd get the P6k but I don't want 6k files. I'd rather shoot internal 4k 10bit on my S1 or record S35 4K raw to a Ninja, something I can't do on the P6K unless I want a small sensor FOV.

I kind of doubt the WDR will be of much use but that would be awesome if my hunch is wrong. More so just doubt Sony would allow their lower tier camera to have a big advantage over the FX9 or even the Venice. For me even the A73 has excellent dynamic range its just gimped by the 10 bit and awful processing. I know the Alexa is the bees knees but I've seen it pitted against the Pocket 6k and the 6k actually recovered more highlights with the highlight recovery tool in RAW. Yes the highlight recovery tool is cheating but the point is these new sensors aren't that far off. The The Panasonic S1 can recover more information in the highlights and shadows than the A7S3. I am really happy with it to the point where I no longer feel left out like I did with a GH5 or XT3 or whatever other camera. Worse case on the S1 is I need a little bit of fill light for crazy dynamic range scenes. Being able to shoot 4000 iso and get clean images is a huge luxury. I can light a scene with a 100 watt light bulb even after pushing it through diffusion. I mean yeah it would be nice if I could swing like Deacons and never use fill light, which he's mentioned that he never uses. Luxury of having an Alexa. For me having a 1 pound camera that can be powered for hours off a 50 gram battery is an almost unbeatable luxury. For me the two things missing are 12 bit internal, END's, and lower rolling shutter.

Hmm is it usable WDR or just the type where it only works on scenes with little motion. Honestly though the A7S3 and Panasonic S1 dynamic range are amazing. The Alexa is only really capturing a stop more though the latitude is better. Of course the Alexa is not using noise reduction so it’s probably more like two stops if you’re just looking at the highlights. The FX6 is my favorite camera on the market right now. END is more valuable than a little more dynamic range. Plus being able to get clean 6400 iso.