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My wishlist for the next Panny upper tier S-camera
TomTheDP replied to Amazeballs's topic in Cameras
Just curious what you have found difficult about it? I have never edited the FX6. When using the Panasonic S1 with a C70, C100, and ARRI Alexa, I will say the S1 was my least favorite. It was super noise free compared to the rest but I know the FX6 has that going for it as well. -
My wishlist for the next Panny upper tier S-camera
TomTheDP replied to Amazeballs's topic in Cameras
END is really amazing and underrated. I think every camera should have it. The other nice thing about the FX6 is the fast sensor readout making for very little rolling shutter. But for me an EVA1 style camera, with a full frame sensor shooting up to 60fps at full sensor and 120fps widowed in prores would be perfect. Honestly full sensor 4k 120fps would be great as it would mean the sensor has a very fast readout making for less rolling shutter. But I could settle with a standard S1H speed rolling shutter. Something like that for like $3500 would be compelling. It would just be good enough and cheaper than competition to make it a compelling option. -
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It crops in on the sensor in 4k 120fps, which makes noise larger and less fine. You just have to expose more carefully or over expose a bit. The good thing is that it's still high bitrate, 10 bit so you have that dynamic range and color information to play with.
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Yeah the 1080p is hit or miss. It can look very good but sometimes it is just noticeably soft. If it had 4k 60p then it would be a perfect camera for me. It's too bad they can't have like 2:1 compression or 3:1 that would probably open up the possibility of higher frame rates in 4k.
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I think the cable does matter. I have had no issues with my T5 setup, which I used on the last feature I did. I just did a little vacation and used the Dark Power option as it is just more compact. Internal recording was part of the reason I went with the FP, but using a cable kind of kills that. I do have the cable clamped on both ends when I use it. The drive I have in the Dark Power setup is an NVMe PM991a 512gb ssd. No issues so far with it in 4k 12bit. I might get more drives for it if I hold onto it long enough.
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I know its off topic but are you saying the internal CDNG 3200 iso isn't useful in HD or both HD and 4K? I have personally found 3200 iso to be incredibly useful, really one of the highlights of the camera for me. I just expose for the subject and it handles highlights really well, even though they appear to be blown in the camera monitor. I haven't heard of the Sandisk Pro Blade but it looks like a good solution. I have been using a 3rd Party SSD solution from Dark Power Lab, which I really like due to it being cordless.
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@kyedoes a lot of travel so I can definitely see how a GH5 with vari ND and a small lens is a better setup for that usage. You could probably pocket that if you have the right Jacket where as you'll never be able to pocket a C100. Also for situations where you want to film and not be noticed a GH5 or other camera just looks more like you are doing casual photography. C100 not as much. But if you rig out a DSLR it stops looking like a stills camera and you stop looking like a hobbyist. I did a video using the ARRI Alexa, C100, and GH5. The C100 was my favorite out of the box look. It was a lower dynamic range scene but the colors were just really pretty.
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You'll find the shadows do not hold up as well in 8 bit or 10 bit. But if you expose reasonably you'll be fine.
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It isn't a bad option if you can get one cheap with some accessories. Its a larger sensor than the P6K and the ergonomics are nicer. The option for Prores 444 is awesome. At 5 pounds its not a super heavy package and you don't need to do much to be ready to shoot besides throw on a Vmount battery. Resolution wise 4.6k is really nice at frame rates up to 60p. It's got some weight to it but at 5 pounds it isn't bad. Gives for a great natural looking handheld and it's light enough where you could get it on a Ronin with a smaller lens.
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Using color space transform and the ARRI lut gets them to match contrast wise. The color still looks vastly different. I feel they look quite close after adjusting WB/tint around, but my color blind eyes aren't a great judge. I use 100 iso to see my highlights and then push from there between 400-800 to see what I have in the shadows. I used this method on the last feature I did and was happy with the results. 640 iso does looks underexposed after changing the color space. However after boosting the exposure to match both cameras it actually seems similar to the Alexa in terms of noise performance. So in that sense it actually works out. I could have lit it bright and got a cleaner image but I wanted to see both cameras in a dim situation. The Sigma FP could have been cleaner if I bumped it up to 3200 iso but I wanted to see them at the same ISO.
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I think the MK II would be a good way to go. I see one on eBay right now for $800. You get HD 60fps and dual pixel AF. It is center focus only but still reliable and useful. The C100 body is bulky but it is actually a great form factor. Pretty easy to mount on a gimbal without the top handle. It is really just a pick up and use camera. If you only need HD capture its a good option. Dynamic range isn't there but if you can get around that you'll be fine.
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I got one of these. It is a neat way to keep it super small and compact. Good for a very low key shoot. I wish it didn't block the HDMI port though.
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No go right ahead The white balance was set the same on both cameras but yes they are a lot different in how they interpret it. The exposure looks a lot the same in REC709 but when switched to a log profile it looks a lot darker on the FP. Feel free to share stills of your grades!!
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Resolution and dynamic range are lacking compared to the Nikon Z6 as well as low light performance. They give a nice image if the lighting is decent. Canon colors rock.
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I believe both were at 640 iso
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I am excited to hear your guys thoughts. The white balance and tint was quite different on the two cameras. The Alexa has a bit more texture I would say, the sigma a little cleaner.
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@kye @OleB Here are some comparisons. One with pure tungsten, one with a 5600k and RED light, one daylight shadows, and one daylight sun. Hopefully these are helpful. Worst part of this is uploading to the drive takes like 12 hours lol. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qxyxV-fFrBnyAh66joyRlgc2J6Xwbn7J?usp=share_link I actually did expose both cameras exactly the same as they looked similar at the same ISO. Outside shots were at F11-F16 and further adjusted with the shutter. Lenses were Meike 35mm on Alexa and Meike 50mm on the Sigma.
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Yeah I know some shooters who still prefer the 5D over the likes of the Panasonic S1 or Pocket 4k. I am super happy with the performance of the Sigma FP which is only 12 bits. Maybe color depth beyond that isn't that important. Who knows
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Honestly 12 bit RAW isn't a RED or ARRI competitor. To me that is the difference between a lot of lower end cameras compared to Venice, ARRI or RED. RED and Venice are doing 16 bit and the ARRI is 14 bit readout into a 12 bit log Prores or RAW. These other cameras are doing a 12 bit readout into 12 bit linear RAW. It isn't the same. Maybe I am being too spec obsessive though. If the image looks good you can't argue with it.
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I'd probably do one exposing to what looks normal per camera, one exposing for highlights, and one where both are the exact same aperture/ND. I can say having used them together on jobs the Sigma is amazing in terms of image quality. The workflow is just a pain to where I wouldn't use it on most projects as a main camera. But it punches way above its price tag.
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I could possibly borrow one. Would expose them at the same aperture?
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I could do those tests for you next week and send you the files. The Sigma FP is really nice. Great color reproduction. It certainly doesn't have the dynamic range of an Alexa but that is ok. My biggest gripe with it is the micro HDMI which makes it scary for professional use.
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I mean it is clearly just a marketing push. They need a reason to market new cameras to people. This is especially true in the market that these lower end cameras are being sold to. Companies continue to gimp features and push new features that don't even function properly.
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$2500 for micro HDMI. RAW recording but we are gimped with Micro hdmi. I think I would rather go with the FX30 if I was to shoot RAW or use a monitor.