Davide DB

If the latest rumors are correct, Panasonic is in more trouble than I thought An old S5 with improved evf? Unless they give it away inside Easter eggs, I don't understand who would buy it, and anyway marketing image-wise it does more damage than anything else. IMHO.

i would go for a GH5M2. i have both and M2 has the latest hw and fw.

Let's see what happens! https://www.l-rumors.com/confirmed-important-panasonic-announcement-on-october-8/

A new teaser from Panasonic https://x.com/ATRightMovies/status/1837582573045768333

A new teaser from Panasonic https://x.com/ATRightMovies/status/1837582573045768333

Better codec implementation?

Solid upgrade. Audio section it's very nice Best action camera underwater colors out there (the action 4 was the best already).

IDK, that link and the original Chinese source is the only reference i found.

Maybe it's a huge BS buy it fits perfectly in our discussion https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/i-missed-that-crazy-rumor-dji-and-huawei-partnership-withe-the-possibility-of-launching-a-new-mirrorless-camera-system/

You are asking a pastry chef to become a pizza maker. No it doesn't work. These companies will die like this. The market changes because someone else comes in from next door and routs everything. That's what happened with Apple in the world of telephony. None of Apple's current competitors in smartphones existed before the invention of the iphone. Look what happened to Nokia. A company has to come in and break the rules from the outside. Current camera manufacturers are only capable of reiterating themselves. It is in the nature of things.

Eric you are falling into the same mistake as many users in the comments quoted just above. Using a Snapdragon processor has nothing to do with the operating system used, which in the case of smartphones can be Android or IOS or other Chinese devilry. Canon is already using the same architecture for his camera processor. Just as it has nothing to do with discussing classic sharing apps or anything else. Those are two completely different topics. Then we all agree that all camera manufacturers are light years behind in integrating their devices with the outside world. Until recently we only had the memory card and nothing else. Perhaps the action camera manufacturers are a tad ahead. Gopro over all. I still can't get my head around how in 2024 with my GH5MII I can't view videos on my phone without pulling out the card while with an ancient GoPro 5 I can.

Upon a quick search, it seems that the question has been asked by just about everyone over the years. Although with answers that are not always in focus or even wrong. Many users confuse the processor with the operating system. The most comprehensive is in a PetaPixel editorial. https://petapixel.com/2022/11/16/nothing-is-stopping-camera-makers-from-using-a-snapdragon-chip/

Interesting. I didn't know that story. Getting into the heads of Japanese executives is a feat of its own. In theory Sony being in both markets would be the perfect candidate. I was looking at the specs of its latest flagship smartphone and it uses the Snapdragon 8 platform. Sony borrows the names of its “famous” technologies from other areas: “Bravia” display and S-Cinetone for video.

Yes you are right, I misread but still the data I posted confirms mine and also your thesis 😇 The idea seems straightforward, we should understand in detail how many of the features of a modern mirrorless camera would be implementable in a chip like the Snapdragon and which ones, again, in an external chip. I'm afraid if no one has done that yet, it's not so straightforward. It would take the opinion of a techie insider on this technology. I don't think it's a licensing issue but there must be some detail we're missing. The fact remains that the numbers in the mobile market allow for investments unthinkable for the photographic market. It is worth noting that Sony is present in both markets. Although on the mobile sector it is practically unheard of. Yet even its latest Experia has 4K@120p 😉

It all sounds beautiful but it is not. The devil is in the details. Making an 2 nm chip that allows you to do what an iPhone or an A7SIII, a Z9 or an R1 does costs bazillions of euros to design and build. And who pays for it? Us! And where are the profit margins? In the number of gadgets sold. And here perhaps we are missing something: Number of iPhones sold worldwide in 2023: 231 million units https://www.statista.com/statistics/276306/global-apple-iphone-sales-since-fiscal-year-2007/ Number of cameras sold worldwide in 2023: https://www.43rumors.com/nikkei-published-the-worldwide-market-share-2023-panasonic-and-om-digital-on-5th-and-6th-spot So the magic 2nm chip shipped in 231 million iPhones (€1500) must be divided between the 3 million lucky Canon camera owners and 800,000 poor Panasonic users.

Those camera are for a completely different segment. They are in same league of remote and ptz camera like Sony: https://pro.sony/en_BA/products/ptz-cameras

Note, and with this I swear this is the last conspiracy post I make, that immediately following the announcement the usual rumors about the specifications of the new S1HII came out immediately. Either they realized the mess and tried to fix it or the geniuses thought the rumors would be enough to appease the user base. I shut up

As I wrote here the problem is all in the marketing department that should be sent to Siberia immediately. It is clear that these two products are aimed at a professional niche audience (evidently filling some broadcast market gap) since even the web pages are on the Pana pro site and not Lumix. No event, no influencers... Even the technical features are listed almost mysteriously. A sign that it is not aimed at the classic Lumix audience. The problem is the timing. You almost sneak out such a product while your entire Lumix user base has been waiting over a year for the new iteration of S1 models. Suicide. Now half your Lumix customers think you're finished. I repeat: siberia, siberia!!!!

I'm lost. Did BGS1 and BGH1 have dual native ISO or it's a new implementation? is all of this a preview of what we will see on S2H? Dual Native ISO Both models come with Dual Native ISO for high-sensitivity video even in low-light environments, allowing shooting with compact lighting equipment or natural light without significantly compromising video quality. This also reduces the need for extensive post-production work, such as noise reduction. In ISO Auto mode, ISO sensitivity is displayed in real time to visualize noise levels while shooting.

Announcement given half-heartedly. Almost as if they were ashamed. Panasonic's marketing should be fired on the spot.

BGS1 and BGH1?

Yes you are right but it is difficult to get into the heads of managers, especially Japanese.

It all revolves around what Nikon acquisition of Red means. Everything and the opposite of everything has been said but so far no move by the two companies other than a few statements to keep investors and customers quiet. It all depends on whether we will have: A new Nikon iteration with Red technology A new Red iteration with Nikon technology. Then the money always ends up in the same pockets. IMO, the second option is more likely: DPs and directors are the most reactionary groups that exist.

I was watching one of Canon's promotional videos and related BTS, and I was reflecting that Canon has always been very good at choosing its advertising materials. Its promotional videos are never dull. In contrast, the Panasonic/Lumix promotional videos are on average terrible, and in general Lumix's marketing strategy is terrible. I remember a video of the GH7 and I wanted to shoot myself in the balls because of how clichéd it was. Of course I am talking about the artistic and communicative choices that are independent of the quality of the advertised product.