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PDAF isn’t owned by Sony. Dual gain sensors are on some canon cameras and some Blackmagic sensors too. https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/dgo-sensor-explained/

At least all the armchair camera engineers go quiet for a while

Yes you can by doing a minor tweak and then applying for a new patent. Pharma companies do this all the time just changing the delivery method for the same drug. I don’t agree with the practice, but it’s naive to think this patent runs out when the new one RED just posted sounds awfully similar. “A 2018 study by Robin Feldman, a professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco, found that 78 percent of new drug patents between 2005 and 2015 were for existing drugs.” https://undark.org/2021/06/16/how-patent-extensions-keep-some-drug-costs-high/

RED extended the patent. This is a common technique used by pharma companies to extend the IP protection. https://ymcinema.com/2022/12/01/red-digital-cinema-filed-another-patent-related-to-compressed-raw/

Ooohhhh remember when RED did this?? https://www.engadget.com/2018-02-13-foxconn-red-8k-cameras.html and it turned out to be…nothing? This whole synergy making things better cheaper is just corporate BS

No way is Nikon making a Burano type camera. Nothing will change at either company. A few years from now RED fold from stagnation or gets bought back by the owners and re-launches.

No it’s not well respected by post. Thats myth. I’m going to guess you aren’t in post at a high end facility. Nobody I’ve met likes or prefers REDCODE over other raw codecs. Owner operators who own red cameras are the only ones who talk like this. It’s a high bit depth raw codec and that’s all it has going for it. It’s actually not that efficient. ProRes plays back faster. ProRes RAW plays back faster. BRAW plays back faster. Why do you think they sold stupid things like RedRocket? Most high end post output of RED didn’t use REDs own cards for final render because the debayer looked better with the internal decodes of the native app. It was the first conceptually raw codec(maybe depends what you think of Cineform) but it’s not efficient at all in playback. Thats why they moved to DCT. As the resolution went up, playback gets harder and harder with Wavelet.

There is nothing special about REDCODE. It was sold for a long time as some special mojo. It not even wavelet anymore. It’s been DCT based since Komodo. Like ProRes and BRAW. They will keep N-RAW because it’s their own “brand” and now they own the IP. It’s not like REDCODE is better. It’s all the same. They don’t need REDCODE and they don’t need to licence it either.

That’s what I’m saying. Nikon bought RED so they can do N-RAW and stop their competitors from using internal RAW. win win

I doubt we see REDCODE on a Nikon. But I bet this is why we have N-RAW. And that’s all this is.

@Jedi Master https://ymcinema.com/2022/12/01/red-digital-cinema-filed-another-patent-related-to-compressed-raw/ Probably helped seal the deal. This is a common technique to extend patent IP

@Jedi Master RED already re-upped their patent. This is about Nikon owning the IP that locks out their main competitors, which is not RED. But now Nikon control who gets to license it.

News today https://www.nikon.com/company/news/2024/0307_01.html

8 bit 420 can be just fine as long as you don’t want to do anything to it later grade wise. As long as you’re happy with what comes out of the camera then you won’t SEE much of a difference. you will definitely SEE the difference between 8bit and 10bit if you try to match two cameras that look different of if the WB is off or has some lighting hue you don’t like. Basically anytime you want to grade or manipulate the image it is very brittle and won’t handle much correction. 10 bit will.

Perverse. AI images over deliver in this situation. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/willy-wonka-event-uk-chocolate-experience-meth-lab-1235837133/?fbclid=IwAR1S4lRs2eTLuenEEGro-pOVC1BNUteDcNJ_AQYMinJmgFe1GCRU49eNALI_aem_ASDqmkSsZecQEbJvnJb6b7eJ9ftjr6U3ZFS23kqlN2eNEXUKvv9sfDvgFIOAkrHGi74

The second one. They are barely keeping the doors open. Thats in LA, Atlanta has been a busier town for a few years but it’s a pretty interesting data point.

Having worked in Atlanta and for Perry, I’d suggest the “reason” is a convenient excuse. Production was already heading towards a slump BEFORE the recent strike and is staring down the barrel of another strike. All of the streamers are struggling to make money. They are green lighting less content. I was talking to an LA based Panavision sales rep a couple of days ago and they they said for them production was about 15-20% of what it was 18 months ago. Production has slumped. Strikes have and continue to menace. Not a good time to throw down on a studio. AI was more like the icing on the cake. Perry is just blaming this on a decision he would have made anyway.

Agree. Similar level of change. Different.

Gamechanging? We’re not there yet. But it’s the same KIND of technological change media has been through many times. It’s not a whole new game. I don’t see it. AI has so far for me failed miserably at making a compelling emotionally engaging image let alone STORY. And that’s WITH humans inputting the prompts. It’s not “intelligent”. It’s good at finding patterns and guessing what YOU might type next. But the data set is still FED by humans, both in prompts and in its training data. So far the models training on themselves ends in a spiral of death. How is this not a fancy version of auto correct? Why do you think it’s a simple leap to go to no human driving this at all? It’s a new animation tool, capable of achieving things never before possible. But it’s a tool. Its biggest appeal is to those who don’t favor creativity, but COST of production. So far it’s been a fancy demonstration of a technology that will affect some aspects of storytelling. It’s a total long shot that this somehow replaces humans telling stories.

I get that part. The real question is…will it work creatively well enough for the audience to like it, or even actually prefer it to the real thing? Narrative drama. As opposed to not having a choice (advertising or training content) Right now I see cheap ass producers licking their lips at the idea they can do get more for less. It’s a way to get animation done cheaper and better maybe with famous actors you can skin or liscence for cheap. Doesn’t mean an audience will like it. I don’t like most of the billboards I see on the freeway, but it doesn’t stop people making them. Is someone going to do genuinely compelling emotionally engaging story with it that transcends its computational origins? Im not so sure it’s capable of doing that. Unless it’s DIRECTED by a human. In which case… It really is just another tool for storytelling. Like you know..animation.

I’m sure that a version of this is true. but I think what ends up happening is authenticity will suddenly become a premium. Something that is real or authentic will have a different perception to the thing that anyone could do in the basement.

I have been around. Yeah it is condescending to ask. WTF have you done? I actually dont really want to know because we’re talking on a forum. Who cares. I started when call sheets were faxed. There have been many revolutions in my career where every one thought the world was going to change significantly and they either fizzled out, or things did indeed change but more that things got incorporated. I can list a few that I have personally been a part of. Many of them were a really big upending when they first appeared. Like OMG we have to learn this new skill because all the business is going that way!!! To list them now seems laughable. But at the beginning all these were a big deal. I say this to say, this too shall pass. VR/360 immersive / augmented media. Digital video recorded with a raw codec 3D using a DSLR to make content. shooting ProRes and commercials on a phone HFR 16x9 shaped television high definition 4k television multimedia DVD for home DVD authoring digital terrestrial transmission Single sensor digital cameras digital video the internet Cell phones Cell phones with Internet non linear editing. Film prints being on film. Im probably missing a few things. I started in the late 80s. This looks to not be be so far off these changes. I mean we still listen to radio. It didn’t go away with the arrival of television. It’s a tool, just like other tools. It’s not magic. It’s not original. Some jobs will go away. Some new jobs will be created. So far it’s a DJ. A DJ makes new music by mixing or remixing exisiting music. Is a DJ even a musician? Does it count if you can’t play an instrument? It’s the same kinds of argument and logic. The biggest leap is that you don’t have to pay labor costs. That’s not a creative driver for new work. That’s a way to make work cheaper. I don’t think it helps much in Hollywood other than for previs and decks where it’s already making an impact. YouTube and TikTok is where all this new content is going to be showing up. And it’s just content. Choose your own adventure sounds great. They are sort of popular but they aren’t what anyone wants to actually read. We want to be told a story. Not have a custom story built for us by an algorithm. We have to trust the audience more.

Here’s Sora’s own post. At first glance maybe it passes. The more you look the worse it gets. Just look at the hands for one. They are truly shitty. The scale is wrong. The number of fingers is wrong. What they are doing is wrong. Then look at the reactions on the face. Look at the performance from these actors. The woman who seems to also be missing a piece of her blouse on one arm can’t work out if she’s clapping or sneezing? Watch it and genuinely look at the performance. If they were going for Cronenberg horror then they succeeded. But they weren’t. This is their best foot forward. So yeah. Still shitty, even if photorealistic shitty… The landscape stuff is better.

How is this different to the introduction of Mini DV? it allowed filmmakers to make a digital movie where it used to cost many tens of thousands of dollars. This feels like the same leap but with animation. What it does is impressive. But it’s still a tool operated by a human. The I stands for intelligence, but it’s not independently thinking or creating. While reality tv is contrived it’s still the work of independently performing humans (actors?) with their own flaws and traits. Even if they followed a script what they bring and how they perform it is unique in that moment. I’m not sure AI will replicate that human agency any time soon. It may be able to fake it and maybe that will be good enough but I suspect that the audience won’t see it that way.

Documentary. Observational documentary. Reality TV.