Ninpo33

Nah, he was right. The phrase “3 singe most…” is really dumb. Plus to say the S5iix is “almost unusable” is also really dumb. That camera is obviously used by thousands of people on a daily basis with very good results. Do you constantly whip pan around while shooting video? RS can be an issue but in real life pro work it’s rarely a problem. For those types of shots you can drop down to S35 or just use a different camera for that shot. That’s one of the reasons we own a Fuji X-H2s but it rarely ends up getting used TBH. Same with moiré, not an issue 90% of the time but if you do shoot a lot of subjects where it’s an issue you can always have an OLP put in by Kolari and you’re good to go.

Yeah, I agree. however you don’t use the video aspects like I would need to for my third body so if they bring some solid video aspects to the 2nd gen model I would bite. The first S1R had the mojo in 5k mode but at S35 only. Ideally they could pull off 61mp and good low light video but we’re not there yet technologically. If the rumor is true that they are using a different sensor than the Leica SL3 I guess there is hope for better video. The minimum they can put out in my opinion would be something above 50p stills but a faster sensor or double stacked sensor that can do down sampled 8k and open gate 6k along with full frame 60p. (120p even better) LUMIX is so far behind that we’re basically hoping they catch up to the Nikon Z6iii and A7RV finally. And it has to be below $3,000 or so otherwise it’s just the same as everyone else and showing up 2 years late to the party.

I hate to admit it but it’s true. The current S5 line up are all solid and super inexpensive workhorses but starting to loose whatever edge they had. I’m reinvesting in older LUMIX stuff now that things are dirt cheap but mostly looking towards Fuji and Sony for the future. I have 0 native L mount glass so it’s easy to adapt to whatever. if something cool happens next week I’ll reconsider. For now I’m shopping for Soviet Medium Format glass to finish my GFX friendly set.

So LUMIX version of A7CR instead of A7RV type thing? I’m all for low cost and the market is trending towards cheaper cameras that’s for sure. I still would hope for a nicer A1 mk1 killer. just saw a clean A1 mk1 sell for $2,800 US last week so that’s going to be tough to beat. You’ve said it before, LUMIX really has to come up with something special to stand out in this current market. A cheaper 50mp $2,000 A7CR equiv might do that.

I’m not the only one to suggest this and I’m not saying it based on the sensors. There are quite a few reasons why the relationship might have changed. One, Notice how the brand new Leica SL-3 is the same internal specs as the much older Lumix S5Iix. There was a long gap between the two cameras coming out from each company. And now the 2 new Panasonic versions that will drop next week are going to be different than the Leica counterparts. The S1Rii will have a different sensor and hopefully a faster readout speed and then who knows about the second one? People who are at the LUMIX event however have mentioned that it’s an exciting new camera so maybe the video focused box camera or…???

Personally I hope they use the sensor from the A1 and give us 50mp stills and down sampled 8k with amazing IBIS and all the other LUMIX goodies for anamorphic, X-Pan crops and the like…

That’s not confirmed, just because people snagged a low res pic from his video it’s totally guessing. He had black tape over the logo but doesn’t mean he was shooting on the new camera. The S5 line was not flagship and cheaper feeling so the two new cameras will probably both be fairly robust and pro flagship quality. (I hope). I would love to see a LUMIX version of the 50mp A1 and a high end box style cinema/video camera.

There’s a rumor that the S1Rii that might be announced next week and will have a different sensor that’s in the SL-3. Will be interesting to see where things fall with LUMIX moving forward in 2025. Maybe this is the shift away from the previous partnership? I would love to see Sony give up the 50mp sensor that’s in the original A1. Get a $3,500 version of the A1 from LUMIX here soon? Yes please.

Don’t you already have that though with pixel to pixel and S35 modes? Also, Leica has some stellar APSC L mount lenses. What would be the point of making a dedicated APS-C camera at this point in the game?

Sure thing. I agree about the Leica tax but I’ve found a few SL2 right at $2,000 now and for me the difference in S1R at $1,300 isn’t very much and is justified by it having the Log profile, Leica styled body and the Leica color science/tuning. I need the high res stills for a magazine project but shoot video so the camera has to do double duty as a B cam for interviews. I would get an S5 AND a S5iix for the $2200 the SL2-S is going for now. Not a good buy in my opinion unless money is no object. But at that point the SL3-S is the way to go.

For the genre, that's about right.

Another vote for the Lumix S5 if AF isn't a priority. I got mine for $535 and it's a big step up from the GH5 which I sold to get it. I waited long enough in the depreciation cycle that I actually had some money left over after the trade up to full frame. I would combine S5iix with S5 and S9 for a really solid and cheap 3 camera system that gets you most of the 2020's tech advancements but at minimum cost for the image you're getting. If you need high quality stills just swap out the S5 for a Lumix S1R and you're all set. This was my plan before I got swayed into Fuji bodies and a bump up to the GFX medium format system.

You just need to go through the spec sheet for each. Beyond the stuff on paper, the main big difference for me is that there is no Log profile for the S1R. Many people have good results with HLG and Flat profiles with the Panasonic however. There is an L-Log profile on both Leica's. Next will be what modes you want to use and if there is 10 bit color for that mode. Beyond that, there is the subtle difference between the way Leica and Panasonic choose to "tune" the sensor. Many people really like the mojo of the Leica, myself included. I'm not a fan of the SL2-S because it really is pretty gimped for the price tag and you are around the image quality of my $535 Lumix S5 o.g. But even the lowly S5 shoots 6k RAW to the Atomos Ninja V and has anamorphic modes. The SL2 at least does 47mp stills and 5k. Full Frame 60p etc... If I had the money I would go 1. SL3-S for A-Cam 2. SL2 for B-Cam 3. Q3 for C-Cam (but probably a Lumix S9 really) I found a great video that was helpful for me to be able to see some subtle differences between the S1R and SL2, let me see if I can find it.

Looks like its happening soon... https://petapixel.com/2025/01/21/viltrox-negotiating-to-join-growing-l-mount-alliance/

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