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Yeah, I think he shoots on the GH7. I know his history but just feel lately like there's been 3 videos in a row where he says some weird negative stuff about LUMIX cameras in his reviews and ignores a lot of the good. He did it with the S9 video and then a follow up S9 video and now again with the S1Rii. I'm no fanboy either... I raved about how cool the S9 was from the beginning and bought the Fuji X-M5 instead once I saw the dynamic range and capabilities of 6.2k open gate/anamorphic raw. And yeah, I don't 'put faith" in any of them... I just take in the information presented and make my own conclusions. I've been following along for a while and mostly know where people's loyalties lie. I thought Ed Prosser's video was pretty balanced, do you disagree?

Agree on all points. Even at the 24ms readout of the other modes it's as good as the older LUMIX cameras and by no means a major issue for most work. I think RS on the S1H in open gate was at like 29ms. There are always tradeoffs and so far we are not at the point technologically speaking for 6k or 8k resolution for larger sensor readout speeds and that level of dynamic resolution. Nikons are really, really good but lack in DR and have noise. Like most people I am seeing that the S1Rii just shows us what the next Videocentric Lumix camera should be like if the Photocentric/Hybrid model is this good for video. If you stripped away all the extras and just looked at the basic specs, the S1Rii is a pretty solid upgrade. Yes it took too long and yes it could have been faster but we finally got 4k 60p in FF and people aren't happy. Amazing low light with really, really clean images with ultra fine film like noise/grain, 32 bit float, Anamorphic support, even better IBIS, high res stills. Internal Prores raw and can shoot to SSD. "BUT GERALD SAID THE ROLLING SHUTTER IS BAD" IT'S DOA."

You talking handheld on that 75mm? That's really pushing it. The IBIS and micro jitters can actually mess up the sharpness there and the added resolution of the S1Rii and new IBIS software seems to be really pushing the abilities of shots we couldn't get before with even the S5iiX Have you watched Cam Mackey's S1rii video yet? Shows what it can do with 1.5x in a way I would have expected the RS to make the shots unusable. He says he's been talking to LUMIX about adding more stretch ratios soon in an update. Who knows though... I'm not expecting a $3300 8k mirrorless camera to be able to keep up with fast RS on a tele anamorphic for action shots but it would be great for slower narrative stuff. Also, there are so many shooting options in that camera you can switch modes as needed.

I'll sign that manifesto.

Jordan always hates on Lumix too. They think they are slick and coming across as being informative and objective but they slide in little comments here and there and tiny little digs. In the latest video Jordan tried to throw shade at the S1Rii because it didn't have the 8k open gate ready at launch. He reviews a beta test camera with pretty insane specs for the price point and then takes points off for extra free features the camera will get later with a firmware update? WTF? Gerald does it too. He really changed the whole perception of the S1Rii with his decision to focus so much on the rolling shutter right at the start of the video. I'm not saying the RS is good but it's not that far off from the S1h/S5ii open gate and it's better than the Sony A7RV 8k, another photocentric camera with 8k video. If you read the comments on other videos everyone is just referencing Gerald and why the S1Rii is "dead on arrival" for them due to the "unusable" RS. Other reviewers showed real world use of the camera and didn't ignore the RS issues but they included it in a fair and unbiased way. Gerald opens with the camera with the Dynamic Expansion Mode turned on in 8k and went straight to the slowest readout speed of 31.7 and talked about how bad that is... "One of the worst of most cameras he's tested". But if you turn DRE off you get 23.5ms in 8k 24. "But dynamic range suffers". Again... Panasonic gets dinged for added features like DRE and those "extras" are seen as compromises and coming up short as opposed to a feature they generously gave us. A lot of it is the fault of LUMIX and their terrible marketing department who have a decent product but keep loosing time and time again in the popularity contests. It's not enough to just have a "good" product anymore, you also have to convince everyone who are being sold a "decent" product and being told its "amazing". Ed Prosser and Media Division along with Zach Mayfield and others do a great job. Some of the shills could learn a thing or two from the YouTubers that just use the gear and report back, instead of trying to "INFLUENCE" gag,\.

I've been trying to use Reddit more lately and explore different communities but wow... makes me really appreciate our group here. You can see the different age groups represented in various social media platforms and it sure is eye opening to hear from Millennials and Get Z as opposed to Facebook Groups. Instagram is useless now at this point. Youtube and Reddit really show how strange the industry and marketing have become. It is great that we have more transparency and technical knowledge as buyers. I feel for people in sales these days when the average consumer can come into a location, (If there even is a brick and mortar store anymore) and already know the specs and sale prices of everything. But the power of Youtube shills is pretty abhorrent and how quickly the younger generation is swayed by certain people for better or worse... I'm so tired of the clickbait thumbnails and "Why I'm Leaving X" videos. It's like walking unto a used car lot or a cheap department store. Thanks for this space Andrew. I came here to buy your "Anamorphic PDF" years ago and have been a fan ever since. This forum helped me Learn to adapt my Kowa and Elmoscoppe II, decide to get the GH4 and metabones speed booster combo and then the GX85 as a little B cam. I've sold at least 5 other people on those devices after they saw my footage and didn't believe it was m43. This shift in Panasonic and the industry in general has been sad, I agree. I miss the old days. I wish they would just listen to us and give us the camera everyone wants. Even if Sony is holding out on the better sensors I still feel like there is a way to come up with products that are better thought out. Honest reviews and opinions aren't rewarded in this world like they used to be so I know it's been a long and hard road.

If you shoot anamorphic cinema style stuff the S1Rii is pretty nice. Really solid low light equal or better than the FX3 and class leading IBIS. This camera will be nice for Cinematic run and gun doc work and travel stuff. Leave the gimbal at home and a bring less lights. Yes please. Does the R5 do high res multi shot stuff? My last Canon was a 5Dmk2.

I mean, R stands for resolution not Photography. It has a 44mp sensor instead of 24. So technically it’s labeled just fine since it is the highest resolution camera they make. Maybe they should have called it H for hybrid but that’s confusing because of the S1H already considered the Hybrid before. V for video would have been better. My guess is that they’re dropping the S1 since it’s in the middle and not necessarily needed. S9 - line for vloggers S5 - line for budget level hybrids S1R - hybrid leaning towards stills BS2H - video centric box cam

Why the hell would you put an OLPF in a photography focused stills camera? Obviously this is geared for photography so is it surprising the video performance isn't what we want for the S1H II ? RS isn’t as big a deal as you seem to make it for the rest of us but whatever. If anything all this does is show me what we might be able to expect from the next model that IS for pro level video.

Yes, I think all of this was leaked days ago and back at the beginning of this thread. I'm liking the new lower price though, I sure hope that's true. $3298 is a very competitive process for all the features.

That’s too bad.

Agreed. The RAW specs sound awesome.

I was hoping to see more 10 bit 4.2.2 options and I hate when they post video specs and purposely omit the *S35 crop info. We Panasonic folk have long been missing FF, 4k 60p so at least it sounds like we’re covered up to 120p now. Will be nice to hear everything confirmed in a few days.

If it’s something filters and technique can’t fix there’s always Kolari. Easy fix for a lot of people on the S5iix https://kolarivision.com/product/olpf-aa-filter-upgrade-for-panasonic-lumix-s1-and-s5-cameras/?srsltid=AfmBOopFsw5dPlgKUes_emPZ2SlZb_WExlwAj5PRubAwVK87j0VeSK6B

You do you bro… this scenario is not new or unique you’re describing any basic event or wedding style coverage. If RS is bad for you on a longer focal length you might want to learn how to slow down your movements and be ahead of your subjects slightly. I’ve been shooting video since the early 90’s so I’m old. We didn’t have IBIS and light Mirrorless cameras and have been making it work with no issues. I’ve shot hundreds of weddings and half of them on the 5Dmk2 so yeah, keep telling me how the S5ii is terrible.

This is exciting. So glad they broke with the Leica SL-3 specs. The faster readout and lower megapixels should really make this a true hybrid. And priced the same as a used Sony A1… perfect. Panasonic Lumix S1rII images and specs leaked! Lumix S1rII PRESS TEXT (deepl translated) Panasonic introduces the Lumix S1RII, a full-frame mirrorless camera for professional photographers and videographers. The camera has a newly developed 44.3 megapixel BSI CMOS sensor and a powerful L2 processor, which together enable a high level of detail and a wide dynamic range of up to 14 f-stops. The native ISO range extends from ISO 80 to 51,200 and can be extended to ISO 40 to 102,400. Improved autofocus and fast continuous shooting function The phase-hybrid autofocus of the Lumix S1RII utilizes 779 focusing points and AI-supported subject recognition for people, animals, vehicles and other subjects.The camera can take continuous shots at up to 40 frames per second in electronic shutter mode – with continuous focus tracking (AF-C). A pre-burst mode saves images before the actual shutter release so that spontaneous moments are not missed. Functions such as white balance and ISO sensitivity can be accessed directly at the top of the housing via dedicated buttons. Optimized image stabilization and high-resolution photos The camera has internal 5-axis image stabilization on the image sensor (IBIS), which enables compensation of up to 8 f-stops. In combination with a compatible lens and Dual I.S., up to 7 f-stops of stabilization are possible in the telephoto range. For high-resolution images, the Lumix S1RII offers a high-resolution mode that captures eight images with a slightly offset sensor position and composes them into a 177 megapixel file. This mode is available for both JPEG and RAW images and enables detailed results without a tripod. L-rumors.com Advanced video functions with Open Gate and RAW recording For the first time, a Lumix camera offers internal 8K video recording at 30 frames per second. In addition, the Lumix S1RII supports Open Gate recording, which utilizes the entire sensor area in 3:2 format for video recording in 6.4K resolution. This offers filmmakers maximum flexibility in post-production, as they can crop the required aspect ratio (e.g. 16:9, 1:1 or 9:16) later. Panasonic has also announced a firmware update for 2025 that will also enable Open Gate recordings in 8.1K and 7.2K. Apple ProRes RAW HQ can be recorded internally at 5.8K at 30p on CFexpress Type B cards or an SSD hard drive connected via USB. RAW videos can even be output to external recorders in 8K via HDMI. The Lumix S1RII also offers the option of recording a proxy file with a low bit rate in parallel. This is linked to the original video and enables more efficient post-production. Robust protection and other features The robust magnesium alloy housing is protected against dust and splash water and is frost-proof down to -10 °C.The Lumix S1RII also offers new sensor protection: when the camera is switched off, the mechanical shutter can be closed automatically to protect the sensor from dust when the lens is changed. The camera has a 5.76 megapixel OLED viewfinder and a folding and swiveling 3-inch touch display with 1.84 million pixels.Two memory card slots are available for storage: one for CFexpress type B cards and one for SDHC/SDXC (UHS-II) cards. Optimized workflow and enhanced connectivity The Lumix S1RII is the first Lumix system camera to support Capture One Tethering.This enables direct image transfer to a computer. In addition, the camera is compatible with Adobe Camera to Cloud, so that image and video files can be automatically uploaded to the cloud and edited there. Two apps are available for an enhanced user experience: The LUMIX Lab app enables, among other things, the easy transfer, editing and management of LUTs (Look-Up-Tables) to use color styles directly in the camera or on the smartphone. The new LUMIX Flow app supports video productions from planning to editing and offers functions such as automatic sorting of recordings and the use of the smartphone as an external monitor. Price and availability The recommended retail price is €3,599 for the Lumix S1RII without lens and €4,499 for the kit with the 24-105 mm F4 Macro O.I.S. standard zoom. Full Panasonic Lumix S1RII specs (preorder here soon): New 44 MP “high speed” sensor 40fps in electronic shutter 10fps in mechanical shutter 8 stops image stabilization 176 MP High Res with sensor shift…handheld(!) and by combining 8 images. 5.76 megapixel OLED viewfinder 1.5 second pre-capture 8k30p 4K120 without crop 8,1K Open-Gate will be released later with a Firmware Update 6K ProRes RAW HQ internal recording Internal RAW Video Recording: ProRes 422 HQ, ProRes 422 plus Proxy Recording You can record on external SSD via USB-C Frame marker for 2.39:1, 2.35:1, 2.00:1, 1.85:1, 16:9, 4:3, 5:4, 1:1, 4:5, 9:16 and Custom 32 Bit Float audio Multi-Angle-Screen like A9III/A1II Body size about the same of the Lumix S5II(just a tiny bit thicker) Weather-sealed and ventilated RED record button in front of the camera on the corner near the mount red Tally in front and on the back fo the camera Price €3,599 Announcement: Feb 25, 1-2pm London time

Everything you’re describing is perfect for a monopod situation. Your description is no different than what most of us deal with several times a day on any event or wedding shoot. Remember that many of us shot things like this before there was any sort of IBIS or OIS at all. You’re complaining about a situation that is only negative for you because you are not using the right tools or technique. To blame the camera is a cop out.

Wow, the $1,200 LUMIX up to an Alexa is quite the jump. Yeah, just use your Alexa I guess since your discerning eye can’t deal with all of this rolling shutter on the S5ii. Just terrible, terrible images coming out of the LUMIX cameras these days.

Nah, he was right. The phrase “3 singe most…” is really dumb. Plus to say the S5iix is “almost unusable” is also really dumb. That camera is obviously used by thousands of people on a daily basis with very good results. Do you constantly whip pan around while shooting video? RS can be an issue but in real life pro work it’s rarely a problem. For those types of shots you can drop down to S35 or just use a different camera for that shot. That’s one of the reasons we own a Fuji X-H2s but it rarely ends up getting used TBH. Same with moiré, not an issue 90% of the time but if you do shoot a lot of subjects where it’s an issue you can always have an OLP put in by Kolari and you’re good to go.

Yeah, I agree. however you don’t use the video aspects like I would need to for my third body so if they bring some solid video aspects to the 2nd gen model I would bite. The first S1R had the mojo in 5k mode but at S35 only. Ideally they could pull off 61mp and good low light video but we’re not there yet technologically. If the rumor is true that they are using a different sensor than the Leica SL3 I guess there is hope for better video. The minimum they can put out in my opinion would be something above 50p stills but a faster sensor or double stacked sensor that can do down sampled 8k and open gate 6k along with full frame 60p. (120p even better) LUMIX is so far behind that we’re basically hoping they catch up to the Nikon Z6iii and A7RV finally. And it has to be below $3,000 or so otherwise it’s just the same as everyone else and showing up 2 years late to the party.

I hate to admit it but it’s true. The current S5 line up are all solid and super inexpensive workhorses but starting to loose whatever edge they had. I’m reinvesting in older LUMIX stuff now that things are dirt cheap but mostly looking towards Fuji and Sony for the future. I have 0 native L mount glass so it’s easy to adapt to whatever. if something cool happens next week I’ll reconsider. For now I’m shopping for Soviet Medium Format glass to finish my GFX friendly set.

So LUMIX version of A7CR instead of A7RV type thing? I’m all for low cost and the market is trending towards cheaper cameras that’s for sure. I still would hope for a nicer A1 mk1 killer. just saw a clean A1 mk1 sell for $2,800 US last week so that’s going to be tough to beat. You’ve said it before, LUMIX really has to come up with something special to stand out in this current market. A cheaper 50mp $2,000 A7CR equiv might do that.

I’m not the only one to suggest this and I’m not saying it based on the sensors. There are quite a few reasons why the relationship might have changed. One, Notice how the brand new Leica SL-3 is the same internal specs as the much older Lumix S5Iix. There was a long gap between the two cameras coming out from each company. And now the 2 new Panasonic versions that will drop next week are going to be different than the Leica counterparts. The S1Rii will have a different sensor and hopefully a faster readout speed and then who knows about the second one? People who are at the LUMIX event however have mentioned that it’s an exciting new camera so maybe the video focused box camera or…???