Zach Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Hey folks - simple question here. Is a 200mm prime going to be useable without IS on a crop sensor? Even on a tripod? I ask because the Canon 200mm 2.8l is available used for pretty cheap. I'd like the depth of field options introduced by having a telephoto, but don't want to bother if its going to be too jittery. I'd use it mostly for filming interviews but also for photographing nature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 If it's on a steady tripod I don't see why it wouldn't work well.Handheld though it might reveal too much of the jello effect caused by the rolling shutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 If it's on a steady tripod I don't see why it wouldn't work well.Handheld though it might reveal too much of the jello effect caused by the rolling shutter.I'd like to see you go hand held with a 200mm lens on any camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'd like to see you go hand held with a 200mm lens on any camera. Lol, wont be doing that! I've used the 70-200 2.8 IS with a monopod and that was perfectly usable. A few shaky shots here and there. The only handheld use for me will by photos during the day time Thanks for the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'd like to see you go hand held with a 200mm lens on any camera.You mean like in the Bourne movies or Ridley Scott's Robin Hood?Wide or long, lenses are meant to be used, and they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 You mean like in the Bourne movies or Ridley Scott's Robin Hood?Wide or long, lenses are meant to be used, and they are.Bruno. Have you ever shot handheld with a 200mm lens? Care to post the footage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Bruno. Have you ever shot handheld with a 200mm lens? Care to post the footage?No I haven't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, just check out the films I've mentioned and you'll see plenty of shots.The Canon 70-200 IS is a great lens for video for instance.Rolling shutter sensors will make these lenses harder to work with, that's for granted, but even that is relative, as the results depend a lot on how far you are from your subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 No I haven't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, just check out the films I've mentioned and you'll see plenty of shots.The Canon 70-200 IS is a great lens for video for instance.Rolling shutter sensors will make these lenses harder to work with, that's for granted, but even that is relative, as the results depend a lot on how far you are from your subject.You cannot use a 200mm lens handheld. I thought you were a cameraman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 You cannot use a 200mm lens handheld. I thought you were a cameraman? Yeah, bearing in mind I'm also on a crop sensor. With a full frame sensor and a handheld rig i'd try it in a pinch. I wouldn't want to do it without IS I will be locked down on a tripod though. Just wasnt sure if it might still be jittery while i'm pulling focus or whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 You cannot use a 200mm lens handheld. I thought you were a cameraman?You thought wrong :) Why can't you shoot handheld on 200mm or even longer? Is it forbidden? If you wanna ignore the couple films I brought up before, then just look at this two random youtube clips and tell me what's so wrong about them.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pxkFIuM3k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pxkFIuM3k[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuQ7CHoO4E"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuQ7CHoO4E[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Mantaras Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 No I haven't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done, just check out the films I've mentioned and you'll see plenty of shots.The Canon 70-200 IS is a great lens for video for instance.Rolling shutter sensors will make these lenses harder to work with, that's for granted, but even that is relative, as the results depend a lot on how far you are from your subject. It can be done alright. But results are going to be far from acceptable, and that goes besides rolling shutter. I don't know how good your pulse is, but if it will show in a 200mm just imagine shooting with 320mm or 400mm in a crop sensor! Those movies you saw could have used a 200mm, but they certainly didn't shoot with them handheld. There's always a tripod or som other kind of rig, specially if using a telephoto lens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Mantaras Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 You thought wrong :) Why can't you shoot handheld on 200mm or even longer? Is it forbidden? If you wanna ignore the couple films I brought up before, then just look at this two random youtube clips and tell me what's so wrong about them.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pxkFIuM3k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-pxkFIuM3k[/url][url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuQ7CHoO4E"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuQ7CHoO4E[/url] The OP was asking about the non-IS version and on a crop sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Of course it won't be steady, it's part of a shooting style, handheld is usually shaky by default, and if you go with longer lenses, you expect it to be even shakier, but if that's the style you're after it's perfectly possible, and you see it all the time in action sequences. Look at this clip shot handheld with a 500mm.[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9L-y42Nj58"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9L-y42Nj58[/url] Sure it's shaky, but I've seen way shakier footage on so many films. The rolling shutter is the only thing making it look bad in this case.And of course in this case it doesn't fit the subject, it's a parked car, if he was shooting a fast moving car, it would have been perfectly suitable and acceptable. You can use any lens you damn please, as long as you understand what you're doing and how it fits the story you're telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 The OP was asking about the non-IS version and on a crop sensor.Check my original answer. The post you quoted was answering markm, not the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted December 6, 2012 Author Share Posted December 6, 2012 Wasn't expecting such a debate! haha Anyway...I just sold a trumpet which means I'll probably be buying a 5D3 and not a lens :) Thanks for the insight anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Markm: Stop being such a baby. You can use a 200mm handheld especially if it has IS. Without IS it get's quite tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Markm: Stop being such a baby. You can use a 200mm handheld especially if it has IS. Without IS it get's quite tricky. First of all I take great offence at being called a baby and I'm sure so would anyone NORMAL posting here. But then that's the game isn't it? Disregard facts just insult tar and undermine.. Demeaning putdowns combined with I know cos I know answers are trolling. There is one site though where this behaviour as long as you bow down to your master IE Personal view, is perfectly acceptable. I hope this is not allowed here. I wonder if some of you are here to stick the boot in to Andrews site? 1) Image stabilisation is completely at odds with Handheld. Can you see how handheld IE shaky footage and Image stabilisation IE Stabilise are at odds.2) At 200mm the shake would be so bad NO Image stabilisation would be able to recover it. Its just a FACT.3) Jello +image stabilisation+200mm lens = TOTAL GARBAGE. You know nothing and are backing the wrong answer You obviously wish to support certain people instead of contributing.Including you there are at least three trolls here now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leang Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 i like the Rokinon 650-1300mm for interviews handheld! it's really hard. :( but that's what she said! :o Ernesto Mantaras and Zach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon de Zwaan Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Leang +1 It's not that hard to find some handheld footage at 200mm, even on a crop sensor some shots look pretty usable to me. All you need is a pair of steady hands and probably an extra support like a shoulder or chest mount. You probably wouldn't want to drink too much coffee before shooting with 200mm handheld. [url="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=200mm+handheld&oq=200mm+handheld&gs_l=youtube.3...1414.4982.0.5150.16.15.1.0.0.0.103.931.14j1.15.0...0.0...1ac.1.MspKL7xiDfc"]Youtube search query[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Leang +1 It's not that hard to find some handheld footage at 200mm, even on a crop sensor some shots look pretty usable to me. All you need is a pair of steady hands and probably an extra support like a shoulder or chest mount. You probably wouldn't want to drink too much coffee before shooting with 200mm handheld. [url="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=200mm+handheld&oq=200mm+handheld&gs_l=youtube.3...1414.4982.0.5150.16.15.1.0.0.0.103.931.14j1.15.0...0.0...1ac.1.MspKL7xiDfc"]Youtube search query[/url] The video Bruno used was clearly not handheld as it was resting on the road while the guy focused. We are talking her about using a 200mm lens in a film on a 4/3 sensor. No DP would do this as it would be silly. You would put the camera on a tripod and emulate hand held OR do it in post. HANDHELDHolding the camera in your hands with no other means of support. Resting the camera on a wall a road or on a body mount is not hand held. STILLS PHOTOGRAPHYThe only way you can get usable image would be to shoot at a very high frame rate and hopefully you may get a usable still For still photography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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