Ed_David Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 No longer will I have weird skin tones in any of my future footage. Thank you Internet. I put this to work on this thing I shot on red one mx. 1tkman, IronFilm and JazzBox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Thanks for sharing. I'm not too bad at getting the skin right, but I do get trumped by Slog2 and 3 very often.Good to see what workflow's other people use - cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo_sousa11 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Your grading looks impecable, as it always does ! I'd love to see you do a tutorial or walkthrough on how you grade, absolutely love it. His however, I find the end result a bit lacking, the face is filled with grey/green casts on the shadows (near the hairline and left eye), that simply dont look too great, although his original footage wasnt the best either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I really found this to be of great help:I really dug this video I came across one time. If you want to skip a bit, try watching from 23:45: Don Kotlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Colorista is a good tool for this as well (for Premiere users). Add a new Colorista layer. Set a key on the subjects skin. Isolate, and adjust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Hughes Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 He did a pretty bad key in the first place - look at the top of his forehead and bottom of the neck. It looks like he's wearing a v neck! Cinegain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_David Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 yes but he explains what you need to do to work with skintones very easily - also he's starting with pretty poorly shot footage. He helped me a lot.My grading is weird and different, but now I am going to get more serious about skintones, and also keep it weird. 1tkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I often admitted that I can't grade. That's true, though I technically understand everything Huczek did in his tut and think I could have done even better. I agree that the key is not as good as it could have been.BUT: The difficulties start when you don't grade a single, isolated shot so that it looks much better than before, but a whole sequence, in which almost every shot presents different problems. Yeah, Resolve has this very easy-to-use wipe-splitscreen for saved grades. Now the way to make the sequence look "consistent" (term by Stu Maschwitz) is to grade your favorite shot from the sequence first, for look. Then you compare the rest of the shots one by one with the splitscreen. Not just with the naked eye, you watch the RGB parade, which also shows the split and indicates if the balance matches.So far the theory, and by following this advice, a half-blind will get 90% of the task accomplished. The remaining 10% separate the boys from the men. Because then you balance without net, and you will just need "an eye" for it, much like a good cook needs "taste" not to spoil everything but instead make it special, sensational ...Two more aspects to consider: the whole philosophy of skin tones which need to be preserved because they are "memory colors" (Maschwitz again) is arguably wrong, the vectorscopes' skintone-line just a crook. If the skin color is perfect "porange" (Maschwitz) doesn't mean that it's looking alive and beautiful.Because that - second objection - has more to do with the richness of nuances, with the number of different shades and colors the skin is composed of while it was stored in the recording file. Who says that colors are more believable if they are "pure"? There is a reason why the classic painters didn't just smear some porange on their portrait sketches. They applied different shades in layers, they let shadows wash away the saturation, they let the skin reflect the light or nearby objects. You could say they did a lot of grading. To get beautiful and not just acceptable skin, you need the right light/exposure, the right WB, the right color science of your camera's profile. The best options offer 10-bit or raw. And you need that extra bit of delicate taste for colors that will never be taught in a tut.EDIT: On the Larry Jordan tut. This is not grading, it's saving a shot with a terrible cast through color correction. We don't see the girl full screen, but we will all agree ("everybody knows the color of human skin") that the color balance looks natural. It is an SD-approach actually. In SD it was enough when the outlines were filled with the right color. For true HD, let alone UHD, this doesn't suffice anymore. We are able to see so many details that the chroma values can't just represent skin. It's like a jump from a children's coloring book to a Vermeer. Xavier Plagaro Mussard and JazzBox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Well, looks like I'll be completely re-grading my documentary then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I had assumed this was the standard technique. What were you guys doing before?? Jonesy Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted October 3, 2015 Super Members Share Posted October 3, 2015 I had assumed this was the standard technique. What were you guys doing before??whatever Ed did before I would love to learn. His grades are always top notch. Btw, one of my favorite graders, specially when it comes to skin has always been Kholi.I know he isnt on speaking terms with Andrew but no need to close the thread imo. iamoui 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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