Lintelfilm Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 So, er, kinda off-topic but ... this exists in the world. I'm going to be singing it in my head for the next 5 days I can tell: Liam and Nikkor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelsinkiZim Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I have been watching a lot of Ursa Mini videos. I like the footage and will probably get one for narrative work.But, does anyone else but me get a turqoise feeling whenever you see sample footage?With the GH4 it is kind of a magenta feeling and with the A7S series its kind of blue.Whenever green pops up its like the only thing I remember because it looks odd.Maybe I am crazy, or looking to closely.This color Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelsinkiZim Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I have been watching a lot of Ursa Mini videos. I like the footage and will probably get one for narrative work.But, does anyone else but me get a turqoise feeling whenever you see sample footage?With the GH4 it is kind of a magenta feeling and with the A7S series its kind of blue.Whenever green pops up its like the only thing I remember because it looks odd.Maybe I am crazy, or looking to closely.This colorAm I crazy? Maybe its a teal and orange choice by the cameramen, but there's a whole lot of teal, and not much else. As I said, analyzing footage is not my specialty. I would be glad to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Am I crazy? No.It's orange/teal grading, which by a popular philosophy optimizes the color contrast and heightens overall clarity of the image. Background is, that when you grade perfect and vivid skintones (which is really very easy with BM footage, as well in ProRes as in raw of course), turquois is the contrasting color, the opposite on the color wheel.This can be done with GH4 and A7s as well, only that both (particularly the Sony) can't capture this range of skintones in the first place, so it will never look that good. HelsinkiZim and TheRenaissanceMan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Teal looks good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Teal looks good?Arguable. That's why I wrote popular philosophy. It's also known as the blockbuster look, as advertized by MagicBullet guru Stu Maschwitz. The pro arguments are valid. But others (among them the author of the Resolve manuals, Alexis vanHurkman) claim that skin should always be allowed to reflect light and therefore shouldn't be of a specific color (and also that light always should have a color, a "mood-cast" if you will), which makes the whole o/t approach useless. Another point is that this kind of grading is so common now that it makes films almost indistinguishable in terms of visual style. But don't mistake this grading for the BM sensor's "color science". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelsinkiZim Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Arguable. That's why I wrote popular philosophy. It's also known as the blockbuster look, as advertized by MagicBullet guru Stu Maschwitz. The pro arguments are valid. But others (among them the author of the Resolve manuals, Alexis vanHurkman) claim that skin should always be allowed to reflect light and therefore shouldn't be of a specific color, which makes the whole o/t approach useless. Another point is that this kind of grading is so common now that it makes films almost indistinguishable in terms of visual style. But don't mistake this grading for the BM sensor's "color science".I think I feel your latter point. I am subconsciously feed up with the grade.If only someone would put the effort in, like the Raven promo, then we could get excited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I think I feel your latter point. I am subconsciously feed up with the grade.If only someone would put the effort in, like the Raven promo, then we could get excited With the appropriate effort, controlled lighting, make up, costumes, production design and digital re-lighting, you can do this with almost any camera. I saw a very sophisticated ad, shot with the A7s, and I would share the link, but unfortunately I have to leave for work now ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelsinkiZim Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 With the appropriate effort, controlled lighting, make up, costumes, production design and digital re-lighting, you can do this with almost any camera. I saw a very sophisticated ad, shot with the A7s, and I would share the link, but unfortunately I have to leave for work now ...We forget that these days. These cameras are all powerful tools. We dwell in minutiae. fuzzynormal and Xavier Plagaro Mussard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Teal/Orange is very popular right now, but it actually has been used for a long time. It adds the ultimate in color contrast with orange hues for skin and teal hues for backgrounds/shadows. Another reason it's effective is that blue in a background creates the illusion of distance when orange/red is in the foreground. If you reverse it, and have orange/red in the background with a blue/teal foreground the distance appears shorter. 1tkman, mercer and HelsinkiZim 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 22, 2016 Super Members Share Posted January 22, 2016 Another reason Teal/Orange works well is that its a natural occuring color from real life. If I look out my window about 3h from now it will be Teal/Orange.In other words, even if its an artifical look in most scenes the brain wont dismiss it as "unreal" since it at least can look like that sometimes.Thats why the grade in Matrix when they are inside the Matrix enhanced the "artificial" feel. HelsinkiZim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarimNassar Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I think I feel your latter point. I am subconsciously feed up with the grade.same here. it is simply because everybody is throwing the exact same LUT on every single piece of footage.Especially redundant on blackmagic cameras footage. Youtube and vimeo are over flooded with them. Since it's an easy go to "it looks cool" solution, it is often poorly done and people look like walking oranges.All these type of heavily stylized luts you can find online have done quite a disservice to many people imo. Sure it's easy and fast, but what happened is all videos now look the same. The grade should first and foremost support your story anyways, then be visually pleasing.(among them the author of the Resolve manuals, Alexis vanHurkman) claim that skin should always be allowed to reflect light and therefore shouldn't be of a specific color (and also that light always should have a color, a "mood-cast" if you will)read his book on color correction, very interesting. Now I need to put the knowledge into practice... andrew berekdar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted January 22, 2016 Super Members Share Posted January 22, 2016 same here. it is simply because everybody is throwing the exact same LUT on every single piece of footage I feel the exact same way with Drones, Sliders, and Gimbals. It all moves in trends. It will go away soon and then come back again.First it was saturated, then low sat, now its high again.. its an endless loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelsinkiZim Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I feel the exact same way with Drones, Sliders, and Gimbals. It all moves in trends. It will go away soon and then come back again.First it was saturated, then low sat, now its high again.. its an endless loop. I bought into the gimbal hype and the footage looks like it was shot by the terminator.its good if you want to follow or circle something with a quickish walk/run. But all other shots are better on shoulder or with a tripod. I feel the exact same way with Drones, Sliders, and Gimbals. It all moves in trends. It will go away soon and then come back again.First it was saturated, then low sat, now its high again.. its an endless loop. About saturation... yeah, I was watching some vlogs, Casey Neistat, and it suddenly occurred to me that the Canon footage is actually more enjoyable to watch these days because it is so refreshing. Not that I don't get a little bit peeved at the sheer vacancy of brain stimulation in most vlogs, but I enjoy the saturated look. I can dig it. Plug n play. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Emery Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Low light is looking good... Nick Hughes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lintelfilm Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Anyone else wonder if there's a bit of Nominative Determinism going on with Daniel Peters? Anyhow, DP is a hell of a talented DP.Since he's moved to England perhaps he should adopt Owen or Oswald or Oberon or Otis as a middle name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphicnatured Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 New Noam Kroll 4.6k vid: Liam and Volker Schmidt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Emery Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 From 4.6K by https://www.facebook.com/thedreamersnl/ I recommend going to their FB page... the compression from these copies looks quite bad. andrgl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphicnatured Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 From www.lightformfilm.com andrgl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrgl Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 hours ago, graphicnatured said: Wow! graphicnatured 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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