The Chris Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Dan Chung posted this comparison with the A7sII, the FS5 is not looking so good. But its at ISOs that turn the NX1 to mush as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 17, 2015 Administrators Share Posted December 17, 2015 Erik Naso says the codec on the FS5 is worse than on the consumer Sony cameras.Quite disappointing if true! He sent his back. You can read more here (view on Facebook) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 Why so amazed? NX1 convinced me. It's punches way above is weight. kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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teddoman Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 You should submit a takedown request under Youtube's More Actions, Report, and then Infringes My Rights. It will automatically disable the video anywhere it is embedded if your request is approved. Paul Nelson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shield3 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Well in the video that was posted above, the FS5 looks awful and the NX1 looks great, no matter what mode it was shot in. It's hard to tell the difference between NX1 4K and NX1 1080p and it's hard to tell the difference between FS5 4K and FS5 1080p. Both FS5 modes look way worse than both NX1 modes, even the FS5 4K looks worse than the NX1 1080p. The NX1 performs great but that FS5 footage is seriously flawed, so it's hard to compare it to the NX1 really. If I were a betting man, would I be correct to assume you're a NX-1 owner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 If I were a betting man, would I be correct to assume you're a NX-1 owner?Do you disagree? Honestly up until a short while ago I was not an NX1 owner... but after all the footage, pictures and reviews of the NX1, I became convinced that it was worth a shot. And now having owned it, I can tell you it's a great camera. Granted it's not perfect... no camera is. But it is an awesome value for money. It's 1080p is better than the 4k of many cameras. And it's 4k is among the clearest that I've seen. Colors are good also. It's amazing that there can even be a debate relative to cameras in a totally different class... that alone should stand as testament to how good a value the NX1 is. Truth be told, you could spend a lot more and still end up with an inferior camera in many ways. Marco Tecno and kidzrevil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozim Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If I were a betting man, would I be correct to assume you're a NX-1 owner?I'm afraid you're wrong, no experience with the NX1 whatsoever. I'm not saying that the NX1 footage that was posted in this topic looks incredible, although I'm a bit shocked (in a positive way) how good the 1080p looks in comparison to the first few firmware versions. What I was trying to point out is that the FS5 footage looks really, really bad and I doubt that that's what the camera is actually capable of shooting. It simply looks like the focus is way off. There's very little detail, the branches in the foreground are out of focus, all the detail looks mushy. The 4K codec of the FS5 is awful so I never really considered it to be a 4K camera, but I was expecting the 1080p to look really, really good and it looks really, really bad for no obvious reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm afraid you're wrong, no experience with the NX1 whatsoever. I'm not saying that the NX1 footage that was posted in this topic looks incredible, although I'm a bit shocked (in a positive way) how good the 1080p looks in comparison to the first few firmware versions. What I was trying to point out is that the FS5 footage looks really, really bad and I doubt that that's what the camera is actually capable of shooting. It simply looks like the focus is way off. There's very little detail, the branches in the foreground are out of focus, all the detail looks mushy. The 4K codec of the FS5 is awful so I never really considered it to be a 4K camera, but I was expecting the 1080p to look really, really good and it looks really, really bad for no obvious reason. I think when comparing to a camera that is down-sampling from 6.5k, you had better bring your A-game. I'll just come out and say it. The Sony looks soft. Not just the FS5, but the entire Alpha line up.There have been other post about this. Dean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Not just the FS5, but the entire Alpha line up.There have been other post about this. Nope just the FS5. http://***URL removed***/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr29_0=samsung_nx1&attr29_1=sony_a7rii&attr72_0=4k&attr72_1=4k&normalization=full&widget=270&x=-0.4366310115529286&y=0.21899116659745307 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Nope just the FS5. http://***URL removed***/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr29_0=samsung_nx1&attr29_1=sony_a7rii&attr72_0=4k&attr72_1=4k&normalization=full&widget=270&x=-0.4366310115529286&y=0.21899116659745307Stills are all well and good. Don't see any info as to the lenses used. How about some video that shows that crisp sharpness? I have yet to see any from either the A7Rii or the A7Sii that are as sharp as the NX1. And for the record, when I watch videos... I tend to watch them moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Stills are all well and good. Don't see any info as to the lenses used. How about some video that shows that crisp sharpness? I have yet to see any from either the A7Rii or the A7Sii that are as sharp as the NX1. And for the record, when I watch videos... I tend to watch them moving.These are frames from video. Dpreview uses the sharpest lens that they have for each camera, in this case the 55mm 1.8 for Sony and the 16-50 2-2.8 for NX1. This is the most well controlled test about image resolution in video that I can find on the internet. If you have a test with even sharper lenses or a more controlled scene please post it here. Cause testing resolution with adapted lenses is not one. People want to form their own opinion no matter what they see, moving or stills. So if you want to bash all Sony cameras I will not stop you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Dayum, both the FS5 and the Sony A7s II seem to have those ugly black lines over highlights issue. Still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 These are frames from video. Dpreview uses the sharpest lens that they have for each camera, in this case the 55mm 1.8 for Sony and the 16-50 2-2.8 for NX1. This is the most well controlled test about image resolution in video that I can find on the internet. If you have a test with even sharper lenses or a more controlled scene please post it here. Cause testing resolution with adapted lenses is not one. People want to form their own opinion no matter what they see, moving or stills. So if you want to bash all Sony cameras I will not stop you. Zoom vs prime... well that's certainly a fair test for sharpness... Next! kidzrevil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozim Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've shot a bit of stuff on the Sony FS7 and as far as I know, the FS7 and FS5 share the same sensor. There are minor differences and the codec is vastly superior on the FS7 (or should I say the 4K codec on the FS5 is garbage?). Still, the FS7 delivers near-perfect 1080p in terms of resolution and I can't see a reason why the 1080p of the FS5 should look like this mushy stuff that was posted in here. When the NX1 was released, the 4K looked spectacular but the 1080p didn't look very exciting. I know there have been firmware upgrades that apparantly improved the 1080p quality since then. Is the quality now comparable to 4K without the ability to zoom in / pan / crop the image in post? If so, then that'd be fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Came out on top for Jordan (atleast for handling, not really mentioning image quality, but he must've seen what he recorded with it, review to come out later): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've shot a bit of stuff on the Sony FS7 and as far as I know, the FS7 and FS5 share the same sensor. There are minor differences and the codec is vastly superior on the FS7 (or should I say the 4K codec on the FS5 is garbage?). Still, the FS7 delivers near-perfect 1080p in terms of resolution and I can't see a reason why the 1080p of the FS5 should look like this mushy stuff that was posted in here. When the NX1 was released, the 4K looked spectacular but the 1080p didn't look very exciting. I know there have been firmware upgrades that apparantly improved the 1080p quality since then. Is the quality now comparable to 4K without the ability to zoom in / pan / crop the image in post? If so, then that'd be fantastic!I have no experience with the old firmware, so I cannot speak to that. However, I can tell you that the 1080p is dam good. Also the 120fps looks great and is not cropped. My only concern with the NX1 was low light performance. I didn't need to see in the dark, I'm not conducting surveillance, so I light my scenes. I just wanted usable footage at 6400 iso or less. Fast glass took care of those concerns. Battery life is great, no overheating, memory cards cost half the price (don't need super fast cards) and store much more because of the codec. Files playback on any high-end android smartphone. It's a big win. Marco Tecno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 DBounce: more and more ppl are now realizing how good the NX1 but, probably and very unfortunately, it's too late. Phil A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 DBounce: more and more ppl are now realizing how good the NX1 but, probably and very unfortunately, it's too late.nor really, I'm still shooting with mine:-) teddoman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Tecno Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 of course. I was referring to the fact that samsung may decide to pull the plug for nx system, since it didn't gain momentum. I think NX system is selling more now in few months than in all its "life". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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