BMPCC Used on Age of ultron

[enny]

During artist tests, Davis brought the first Pocket Camera on set. "I put it through a whole range of comprehensive latitude tests; I wanted to see the quality of the image and I also wanted to see how much information it held in the shadows and highlights," he says. "I was really impressed with what I saw, and that was the fundamental thing we were looking for. I think the Pocket is definitely up there alongside the Red and the Alexa in terms of latitude, and that let me cut in with the Alexa and Canon C500, which we also used, in a much more seamless way. And all that information moves straight on to VFX through grading.

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http://www.studiodaily.com/2015/05/dp-ben-davis-avengers-age-ultron/

[richg101]

I'm a huge fan of the bmpcc.  It's the ONLY camera that fulfilled the needs of my FORBES70 prototype camera in terms of DR, low light performance, resolution, compatibility with adapted specialist lenses, solid codecs, etc.   since the bmpcc's release there has yet to be anything that comes close to its overall performance when paired with fast modern c-mount lenses.

 

The sheer number of so-called high end cinematographers interested in FORBES70 but who disregard it based on that fact that the internal camera is a BMPCC is amazing.  Also those who complain about anything the camera does visually are asking far too much.  £800 for the best picture available from any camera in the price bracket where re-mortgaging isn't required to make a purchase.     

https://vimeo.com/136554487 password : fbs

 I hope the bmmcc does the same amazing job and better!

[Axel]

Unfortunately, this Avenger movie hardly features one pure recording. One that allowed to draw comparisons or conclusions. You can't tell where the Pocket was used and why. Unlike Nicolas Winding Refn's Drive. It was shot with Alexa and 5D. 5D obviously for the shots inside the cars.

However, having sold the Pocket (after 18 months of use, many hours of test shots, one ambitious doc and two weddings) and being back to prosumer video (I own no camera anymore, my buddy hates BM and has an FS7), I begin to see the virtues. The richness of colors is unrivaled in this price class.

[enny]

It was also used on Kingsman: The Secret Service. But i don't think bmpcc is for weddings and doc space of the file and all but where it shines is controlled environment and DOP using lights and all a movie set

Here is one of my fev videos shot on bmpcc

And Short film

 

[tupp]

The sheer number of so-called high end cinematographers interested in FORBES70 but who disregard it based on that fact that the internal camera is a BMPCC is amazing.

Huh?  Those who poo-poo the Forbes70 based on its current use of the BMPCC probably have not viewed the results.  The BMPCC is a great little camera, and it is easy to understand how it would work well with any enclosed DOF adapter.

 

 

https://vimeo.com/136554487

 password : fbs

Love the quality of the focus.  Thanks for posting this.

 

 

 I hope the bmmcc does the same amazing job and better!

Me too!  It seems like the BMMCC would be even better for the Forbes70 as it is more compact, symmetrical and it doesn't have an LCD draining power.

[majoraxis]

I've had the BMPCC and it could get great results with good lighting and mostly not great otherwise.  If you don't need to have an electronic connection to a micro 4/3 lens,  I would spend a bit more and get a used BMCC with the 4/3 mount, if you could find one for a good price, with the Studio version of Resolve.

I know the BMCC is big and heavy,  won't fly on a drone or play nicely on a gimbal, but if your lenses works with it, being able to shoot wider with a little bit more DR and at a little higher resolution than the BMPCC, makes me happy.  The LCD on the BMPCC is not very useful IMHO,  I find the LCD on the BMCC much easier to use, if need be, so an external LCD monitor should be factored into the price of the BMPCC.

Anyway, if they are within the price of buying Resolve Studio used separately, I would get the BMCC the used with Resolve Studio, or should I say that's what I did rather than a buy a BMPCC (again), GH4 or (a second) NX1.

[richg101]

agree.  If black magic fitted the bmcc sensor in a moderately larger version of the bmpcc it would be unreal - particualrly with the bmcc m4/3 to eos speed booster!

[dbp]

It's a neat little gadget for sure. Got both a BMPCC and a GH4, and I'm surprised at how much better than BMPCC image in most circumstances (other than resolution)

 

 

[BenEricson]

I absolutely love the image this camera puts out. You pair it with a speed booster and a Sigma 18-35 1.8 and the setup is amazing. If you shoot out doors in natural light, it is perfect. The camera is really only limited by your grading/shooting abilities.

Here's a skateboard piece I shot with the bmpcc. I will be honest and say it took me a while to get the colors to look like this. I also did a lot with twixtor to slow down a few shots through out. Theres a few GH4 shots and they look pretty bad in comparison

[kidzrevil]

Thats tight dude ! The fact that the blackmagic could cut in seamlessly with other high end cameras is amazing ! Considering picking up one myself

[Andrew Reid]

agree.  If black magic fitted the bmcc sensor in a moderately larger version of the bmpcc it would be unreal - particualrly with the bmcc m4/3 to eos speed booster!

Really surprised they didn't do more with that sensor. I know they had issues wit the supplier early on, I hope that didn't put them off. The 2.5K sensor is incredible. It just needed to be in a different body. Smaller with decent ergonomics and without the need for a brick of a battery.

BMPCC was a nicer form factor. Great image.

For me it is a shame Blackmagic haven't brought out a BMCC V2 and another pocket. The Micro cameras are interesting, but they are not really cameras... just a cam head.

The URSA is pro and not so much mirrorless / enthusiast.

Bit of a shame really! Because they started something wonderful with the first 3 cameras.

[squig]

Not really cameras? Lulz

I overlooked the BMPCC when it came it because it was around the time Magic Lantern hit raw pay dirt and I was as happy as a pig in shit with the 5DMK3. Aliasing and sensor size were issues for me then, but the Mosaic filter and speed booster have solved that. I wonder whether many of the people who think the BMPCC is lacking in resolution have ever filmed an actress. It's likely I'll be shooting a feature next year with a a pair of not really cameras; not just because they're cheap, but because they're that good (and perfect for POV and long gimbal shots).

The BMMCC does look like an evolved BMPCC and I actually like that it doesn't have an LCD; the "cam head" concept is good for narrative work. The BMMCC is going to look wild with an Iscorama attached.

 

[richg101]

Really surprised they didn't do more with that sensor. I know they had issues wit the supplier early on, I hope that didn't put them off. The 2.5K sensor is incredible. It just needed to be in a different body. Smaller with decent ergonomics and without the need for a brick of a battery.

BMPCC was a nicer form factor. Great image.

For me it is a shame Blackmagic haven't brought out a BMCC V2 and another pocket. The Micro cameras are interesting, but they are not really cameras... just a cam head.

The URSA is pro and not so much mirrorless / enthusiast.

Bit of a shame really! Because they started something wonderful with the first 3 cameras.

Now the bmcc m4/3 version seems to be appearing more on the preowned market I recon it could be a rather fun rehousing project - if only I had the time!! - reworking into a more ergonomic setup with no internal battery or screen, in exchange running with a little evf.  the sensor/lens mount is on a ribbon cable so could probably be swung 90degs to give a longer thinner camera rather than a lump of cheese with a lens on the widest face.  

 

[Liam]

Unlike Nicolas Winding Refn's Drive. It was shot with Alexa and 5D. 5D obviously for the shots inside the cars.

really? I know the Alexa was used for at least some of the night driving scenes. interesting though, definitely a beautiful film

[tupp]

Now the bmcc m4/3 version seems to be appearing more on the preowned market I recon it could be a rather fun rehousing project - if only I had the time!! - reworking into a more ergonomic setup with no internal battery or screen, in exchange running with a little evf.  the sensor/lens mount is on a ribbon cable so could probably be swung 90degs to give a longer thinner camera rather than a lump of cheese with a lens on the widest face.  

The  trail is is being blazed.

[Axel]

Fascinating projects to put the Pocket and the BMCC into new housings. I'm all for it, but with the Ursa Mini on the horizon I don't see big advantages. There are also quite successful rigs, the best of them minimalistic. Once a camera gets close to have everything we ever asked for and still is affordable, these creative constructions more and more become ends in themselves. Which is a pity. It's time to reconsider the approach. Do we get 99% of what is usually done with the definite equipment with consumer stuff, used with intelligence and care? Isn't that in part what EOSHD is about?

 

[richg101]

The  trail is is being blazed.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Amazing!  I recon they could get things down drastically smaller with some more refined design.   now that thing could be designed to go straight onto the shoulder without any need for rigs or other stupid expenses.  It seems bmcc must have done a deal with the cage makers (make it appauling to use without a cage so people buy a cage to make it usable)  - the method behind this guys efforts is exactly how the bmcc should have been made originally.  a grip or position to mount a grip, a shoulder support and a flip screen and loupe for shoulder work.

 

 

   

[Guest Ebrahim Saadawi]

 The fairchild imaging 2.5K sensor should have been used in more cameras, their proposed 4K upgrade is a worse image, really. 

2.5K is a perfect resolution for having the ability to crop/reframe and oversample to 2K or not crop and oversample to UHD if needed, the sensor is really high resolution. The BMCC SB turned the sensor into a s35 size one too, plus the camera is pretty clean up to 1600 ISO, a very good lowlight performer. 

instead, blackmagic gave us two huge shoulder camcorders, with the inferior 4K sensor.

Where is the segment they started with, the DSLR/Mirrorless area, in terms of size and cost? they simply abandonded it. We need a Micro URSA! with the 2.5K sensor. 

If I were BM. I'd produce a BMCC V2. Having the same original features plus: 

-Keep the same housing for cost and just add a Side handle/grip

-Large Sony batteries/or Canon LPs 

-The video assist panel on a tiltable hinge

-m43s mount for the SB, 

-Allow a 60p mode, even a crop (sensor allows it) 

-A single added XLR input and better preamps

-Have all the firmware upgrades that hugely improved the BM camera, peaking/histogram/formating/audio meters/ProRes 422 and LT/Compressed Raw etc 

-2000$ cost range, 

Wouldn't it CRUSH the consumer video market, including the Canon cinema line FS5/7, LS300/XC10/A7s/NX1/GH4? It really would. 

In short just add the features that make the camera suitable for documentary/run'gun/music/wedding genres rather than just film.  

Or you know what, you can add the 2.5K sensor on the URSA mini body and sell it for 2000-2500$. It'a a lovely compact body 

 

As of the Pocket, they need a V2 as well. 

-Much improved LCD

-Much improved audio quality

-Micro capability: 60p

-Switchable global shutter 

-An anti-aliasing filter

-All the pocket firmware updates. 

It d be a killer 1000$ fim/video camera, 

 

They need to address tis market rather than go for the incredinly tough professional camcorder area where Canon and Sony and Red Dominate. 

 

JVC also made a aimilar mistake bt going for that market, while they could have produced a small DSLR like LS300 for the 1500-2000$ bracket, they'd have made a much bigge success.

[Don Kotlos]

BMPCC is going to be a classic. A second version with the global shutter and a better LCD for $1000 would be great.

 since the bmpcc's release there has yet to be anything that comes close to its overall performance when paired with fast modern c-mount lenses.

Not close to RAW but try the c-mount adapter on your A7rii with 4k S35 and clear zoom. You can have great 1080p output and stabilize these c-mount lenses... 

[richg101]

BMPCC is going to be a classic. A second version with the global shutter and a better LCD for $1000 would be great.

Not close to RAW but try the c-mount adapter on your A7rii with 4k S35 and clear zoom. You can have great 1080p output and stabilize these c-mount lenses... 

I've been looking forward to trying this - I saw your tests with great excitement:)  Just not had a chance to put it into practice myself yet!  Pixel density, is a close match and since the a7rii has such good iq and colour it's probably going to be a close second against the bmpcc for overall performance.  being able to crank the a7rii up to 6400 withut much noise may well provide some advantages in low light over the bmpcc, and could make up for the lack of 10/12bit colour.