Super Members Mattias Burling Posted December 30, 2015 Super Members Share Posted December 30, 2015 Disclaimer: This is just for fun. Not meant to be fair, well lit, perfectly graded, scientific or anything else. Just a few shots while I had the two film cameras loaded.IMO Film still kicks the ass of digital in looking what I consider "Good" and in dynamic range and color. But this is not suposed to be proof of that concept.If you want an example of that I say watch "The Hateful Eight", "The Hurtlocker" or any other well shot movie on film.In this video I compare some footage from a BMPCC, Digital Bolex and A7ii to a 16mm Bolex H16 and a Krasnogorsk-3.I did it just for fun so don't read to much into itThe BMPCC was shot in Prores and the D16 in Raw. Both where graded with a 7207 LUT.The H16 was shooting actual ISO 250 Kodak 7207.The Krasnogorsk was shooting ISO 50 Kodak 7203 so thats the LUT the A7ii received. norliss, kaylee, sam and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Kotlos Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I don't know Mattias, you might say it was just for fun but your dog looks like getting paid to stay still. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted December 30, 2015 Author Super Members Share Posted December 30, 2015 I don't know Mattias, you might say it was just for fun but your dog looks like getting paid to stay still. She knows theres always a treat in it for her to stay put in front of the lens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 What's that saying... If you want the film look... Shoot film? But with that being said, the d16 comes the closest, followed by the bmpcc with the Sony coming in last but still looked pretty damn good, depending on the grade. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 30, 2015 Administrators Share Posted December 30, 2015 I thought SLOG did well there, it looks like film without the imperfections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted December 30, 2015 Author Super Members Share Posted December 30, 2015 I thought SLOG did well there, it looks like film without the imperfections It does look nice. Besides the moire in the water. That very clip made me get rid of it back then.Guess the a7s and the a7s/rii doesnt have that issue. andrgl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norliss Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Really enjoyed that. I'm going to take a look at some of your other YouTube uploads.Thanks, Mattias. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattH Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Maybe it is the noise, but the besides the look, film seems to have something that makes subjects come alive. As you have said in the youtube comments, Gunpowder jumping is the obvious example. But also in the shot of yourself at the end. The film shot would look great cut into a home movie reel or music video compared to the sony where you just look bored. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I liked your post on another forum where you had users guess which was of the clips presented was film. Sad you didn't get more responses. I couldn't believe how easily the 3 people I showed (none are into cameras or movies) picked out the film clips and thought they looked best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted December 30, 2015 Author Super Members Share Posted December 30, 2015 Maybe it is the noise, but the besides the look, film seems to have something that makes subjects come alive. As you have said in the youtube comments, Gunpowder jumping is the obvious example. But also in the shot of yourself at the end. The film shot would look great cut into a home movie reel or music video compared to the sony where you just look bored.Yeah, Gunpowder jumped because the H16 is a loud camera. She's not used to that.And me, Im often borded when I do tests, its kinda the reason I make them. But for the Krasnogorsk clip I had to ask my GF to operate it and she was making fun of me. So more alive indeed I liked your post on another forum where you had users guess which was of the clips presented was film. Sad you didn't get more responses. I couldn't believe how easily the 3 people I showed (none are into cameras or movies) picked out the film clips and thought they looked best.Yeah, I got a fair bit of "hate" as well because I downgraded the BMPCC to throw people of a bit. Sensitive stuff when you mention peoples gear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Thanks for share this excellent just for fun shootout.I was wondering it the difference in color rendition between the BMPCC and Digital Bolex is due mostly to the CMOS vs CCD or ProRes vs Raw? Maybe a little of both I imagine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 What causes the 'frame' on the film footage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 What transfer? How did you perform it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted December 31, 2015 Author Super Members Share Posted December 31, 2015 Thanks for share this excellent just for fun shootout.I was wondering it the difference in color rendition between the BMPCC and Digital Bolex is due mostly to the CMOS vs CCD or ProRes vs Raw? Maybe a little of both I imagine...I would say CCD vs CMOS since I treat the raw after switching it to BMD Film. What causes the 'frame' on the film footage?Normally you crop it out but I thought I leave it in for fun. What transfer? How did you perform it?Scanned it in a lab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Ranger Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Maybe it is the noise, but the besides the look, film seems to have something that makes subjects come alive. As you have said in the youtube comments, Gunpowder jumping is the obvious example. But also in the shot of yourself at the end. The film shot would look great cut into a home movie reel or music video compared to the sony where you just look bored.It has to do with the contrast ratios and color that film manage, its hard to replicate in grading, its doable but hard. I shot with Fuji Eterna recently and looks gorgeous. Also in this test i don't think cameras where graded to mach, that makes more difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted December 31, 2015 Author Super Members Share Posted December 31, 2015 ... I shot with Fuji Eterna recently and looks gorgeous...I have 9 rolls of that sitting in my freezer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inazuma Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Normally you crop it out but I thought I leave it in for fun.But I mean how come the frame remains the same throughout? I have never shot motion picture film but I have shot stills where the scan came back with some of the frame in; but they never look the same from one shot to another. BTW I was also wondering; do you not feel uneasy having so many different cameras? Like you're a bit spoilt for choice If you were to shoot a movie what would you use? And how much do you pay for the film and processing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted December 31, 2015 Author Super Members Share Posted December 31, 2015 But I mean how come the frame remains the same throughout? I have never shot motion picture film but I have shot stills where the scan came back with some of the frame in; but they never look the same from one shot to another. BTW I was also wondering; do you not feel uneasy having so many different cameras? Like you're a bit spoilt for choice If you were to shoot a movie what would you use? And how much do you pay for the film and processing?Since I only have two digital cameras its not that though of a choise.Film cameras I also have two but would choose the K3 because I have lots of lenses for it.I have so far not payed anything. Im making a guide soon on how to get a few rolls done for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rak_heri Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Thanks Mattias for the video. I love the texture, cadence and noise of film. There's a feeling of timelessness not found on popular digital camerasI wonder if it would be possible to shoot a white wall with your film cameras, scan them at high resolution, and somehow apply them on a Sony A7 clips.. including film defects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted December 31, 2015 Author Super Members Share Posted December 31, 2015 Thanks Mattias for the video. I love the texture, cadence and noise of film. There's a feeling of timelessness not found on popular digital camerasI wonder if it would be possible to shoot a white wall with your film cameras, scan them at high resolution, and somehow apply them on a Sony A7 clips.. including film defectsThats pretty much what Gorilla Grain is. Just place them on a layer on top of your video and switch them to "Overlay". Done. Looks great.A tip, don't buy them straight away. Sign up for their email and download the demo, what a while and they will send you a 50 dollar rebate.They have one for free that you can try first.http://gorillagrain.com kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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